Topic: Chuck Takes Swipe At Coach Huff

[HoPPy785]

We need to ditch end zone seats and turn it into a standing room beer garden/restaurant. Sell tickets to it for $10 and make up the cost from beer sells. This would get the casual tailgater more likely to come in. You could even keep the restaurant open on non football game days for extra revenue.

For a small town stadiums need to be more than just a once a week / half a year place for people to go. Find ways to generate money through other uses.

[The E-Man]

I bet Doc was having a big laugh somewhere over the outcome of Saturday's game.

Doc Holliday has no room to laugh about any coach. Doc as a coach had some of the worse losses at the Joan ever! Doc barely won a CUSA championship! Just one in 11 seasons. As a final note the laugh is on Doc who won coach of the year got fired and not one college team out 893 has called him for a job.

[Flat Tire 2]

Doc Holliday has no room to laugh about any coach. Doc as a coach had some of the worse losses at the Joan ever! Doc barely won a CUSA championship! Just one in 11 seasons. As a final note the laugh is on Doc who won coach of the year got fired and not one college team out 893 has called him for a job.

You could put it another way. Only two MU football coaches since the Sonny Randle didn't receive job offers from larger schools, Doc and Mark Snyder.

[MUther]

Our defense and Pk stunk.  Our Offense is the most dangerous since cato graduated.  So Huff has already improved that.  We lost our (2) best defensive players.  We couldn?t stop the pass by good passing qbs since Pruett was here.  Huff knows this and has signed bigger, longer cbs.  McCoy a huff transfer is our best secondary player.  Those catches were not on him.  Move him to cb. He is very fast twitched (Holliday recruiting didn?t understand fast twitch) which a Cb needs.  Our current starting cbs and S are not fast twitched enough.  They can?t break back on the ball fast enough.

ECU wasn't a good passing team, though.  They were an awful passing team that we made look good.  And for 3.5 quarters our defense was more than adequate and we put that QB on his back something like 7 times.  Totally dominated them.  It wasn't the defense or the damn kicker.  It was the clock management and schemes we used in the last few minutes on offense and defense that allowed them back in.  Players are going to make mistakes in every game.  Well-coached teams are going to know how to make adjustments to compensate for that and control the game.  Well-coached teams are going to anticipate a shift in momentum and find a way to get it back.  Well-coached teams are going to abandon gimmicky high-tempo play for a clock-burning, punishing ground game in the last few minutes that eats clock and forces the other team to use all their timeouts.  We are not a well coached team.

[herdfan129]

We need to ditch end zone seats and turn it into a standing room beer garden/restaurant. Sell tickets to it for $10 and make up the cost from beer sells. This would get the casual tailgater more likely to come in. You could even keep the restaurant open on non football game days for extra revenue.

For a small town stadiums need to be more than just a once a week / half a year place for people to go. Find ways to generate money through other uses.

While I agree, in the short term, there's no reason to charge more than $10 for those seats. If we tarp the area, which I'm also a fan of in the short term, then we should sell the upper corners of the sidelines for $10 each. We need to get back to building the fan base.

[herd2win]

We have no need for the end zone seats. Tarp those and sell advertising on the tarp.  With that being done a crowd of 25000 feels capacity.  Also like the idea of $10 seats on the upper part of the seats.  Get the casual fan back involved.

[NewfieHerdFan]

ECU wasn't a good passing team, though.  They were an awful passing team that we made look good.  And for 3.5 quarters our defense was more than adequate and we put that QB on his back something like 7 times.  Totally dominated them.  It wasn't the defense or the damn kicker.  It was the clock management and schemes we used in the last few minutes on offense and defense that allowed them back in.  Players are going to make mistakes in every game.  Well-coached teams are going to know how to make adjustments to compensate for that and control the game.  Well-coached teams are going to anticipate a shift in momentum and find a way to get it back.  Well-coached teams are going to abandon gimmicky high-tempo play for a clock-burning, punishing ground game in the last few minutes that eats clock and forces the other team to use all their timeouts. We are not a well coached team.

When Evans came in for Ali (I think on the drive that ended with the missed field goal), you could feel the momentum change, IMO.

[herdfan129]

When Evans came in for Ali (I think on the drive that ended with the missed field goal), you could feel the momentum change, IMO.

Really felt like Knowledge McDaniel was better in that situation. He has the size and motor to pick up a few extra yards. He runs hard and always falls forward.

[svherd]

The "SECRET" is out - Coach Huff is in over his head! I bet Doc was having a big laugh somewhere over the outcome of Saturday's game. Could this hire be even more disastrous than that of Mark Snyder? I bet the Vegas bookmakers that are lining future games for Marshall deduct 1-2 points for Huff's ineptitude.

What not so smart. You mean the so called excellent recruiter that usually lost half his class before they hit the field? The so called successful coach who was never given an interview for another HC job? The coach who produced the most humiliating beatdown in Edwards stadium - UC game a few years ago. That blew a league title to WKU at home and then again last year to UAB. The one that lost to Rice 20-0 and lost the team. You mean that guy? LOL! Tell Doc he doesn't need his mom to come on here and defend him.

[HoPPy785]

Really felt like Knowledge McDaniel was better in that situation. He has the size and motor to pick up a few extra yards. He runs hard and always falls forward.

In my opinion the order should be 1-Ali, 2-Knowledge, 3-Evans

[herd2win]

I was glad that MU made a change off of Doc as the program has become stale and after he seemed to lose the team to a point where a huge fight broke out it was time and as many have said about 3 years too late.

We did witness a total collapse in coaching Saturday night and I hope this is a learning lesson for Huff and we won?t see too many more times.  I am excited to go to Boone and think the short week actually helps us. 

Team should be ready to redeem and a win at App will fix a lot of ills.  This is going to be a tough game and I hope to see great effort.

[svherd]

I just read comments on the article online. Below are the most popular reasons for not attending, according the locals.

1. Ticket prices too high - area is depressed, families can't afford it.
2. CUSA teams don't move the needle
3. Need to win more games, the big games
4. COVID keeping them away
5. Marshall seating policy and other perceived slight of the fans.

Don't shoot the messenger. Just relaying what I read. Tix prices were the biggest issue by far.

[HoPPy785]

I just read comments on the article online. Below are the most popular reasons for not attending, according the locals.

1. Ticket prices too high - area is depressed, families can't afford it.
2. CUSA teams don't move the needle
3. Need to win more games, the big games
4. COVID keeping them away
5. Marshall seating policy and other perceived slight of the fans.

Don't shoot the messenger. Just relaying what I read. Tix prices were the biggest issue by far.

Reasons 1 and 3 seem to be one big problem.

Doc ball has made people lose confidence in the product. Why pay hard earned money to go see Marshall play a big game, if you don't have confidence we will win and have fun. Win the big games and people will pay the money to experience it.

[2xBison]

I just read comments on the article online. Below are the most popular reasons for not attending, according the locals.

1. Ticket prices too high - area is depressed, families can't afford it.
2. CUSA teams don't move the needle
3. Need to win more games, the big games
4. COVID keeping them away
5. Marshall seating policy and other perceived slight of the fans.

Don't shoot the messenger. Just relaying what I read. Tix prices were the biggest issue by far.

ticket prices are not the problem.

[herdfan129]

ticket prices are not the problem.

The hell they aren't. Cheapest tickets are $30 to sit in the nose bleeds and watch CUSA competition? Sorry, but that's way too much for a typical family of 4.

Tarp the endzone upper seats and make the upper corner seats on the sidelines $10 each. That would change everything. More people in the stadium and the stadium would feel more full, thus creating a better atmosphere.

[whf]

I think they should hold the prices, but include more value for them; give a "package" with every ticket, one dog and a coke, popcorn, etc.  The ticket serves as a 10 dollar voucher at concession stands, the stands collect them and return them to the Athletic Department for reimbursement.

And as far as tarping, I think the old grass area should be turned into a "host" area, catered, etc.  Take out the seats, cut the land down (remember, the upper seats are all structure) to the wall level to ensure the upper seats can see over the activity section.  No tarping for me, it looks like a program has just given up on that opportunity of support.  So if there is to be a reduction in seating, Take The Seating Out all together IMHO.

[herdfan129]

I think they should hold the prices, but include more value for them; give a "package" with every ticket, one dog and a coke, popcorn, etc.  The ticket serves as a 10 dollar voucher at concession stands, the stands collect them and return them to the Athletic Department for reimbursement.

And as far as tarping, I think the old grass area should be turned into a "host" area, catered, etc.  Take out the seats, cut the land down (remember, the upper seats are all structure) to the wall level to ensure the upper seats can see over the activity section.  No tarping for me, it looks like a program has just given up on that opportunity of support.  So if there is to be a reduction in seating, Take The Seating Out all together IMHO.

Well long term, I would like to see a luxury building put up there, with end zone suites and kind of like a party deck like others have mentioned. But in the short term, I think a tarp is fine.

[coalherd]

IIRC, didn't WVU lose two or three assistants after last season?  Don't recall Doc's name being mentioned ONCE as a possible replacement for one of these positions.  At his Alma Mater, to boot!  That says it all, IMO!

To quote another former Herd Head Coach, it was "just time".

[coalherd]

I have a problem with the media attacking fan attendance. As someone mentioned, it would have been well over $150 for a family of four to attend. The media, on the other hand, does not pay for a ticket to the game. They do not have to worry about paying for parking as they are given a pass there. For food, it is usually catered by some restaurant in the area. The only two restrictions I know of when they are in the press box are 1) you cannot cheer for your team 2) no alcohol. Yes, they are doing this for a living. But, if they weren't, I wonder how many of them would go to the game and treat themselves they way they are treated as media.

So now we know the real reason that ole Chuckie Landon is still hanging around MU covering HERD football after about 50 years!  Its all that gratis high class and fancy cuisine that gets served to the media at the JOAN!

As for our attendance figures, one factor may be our rather mature fan base in general.  A lot of our aging fans, regulars, etc., may just be staying away from the JOAN until the new and upgraded padded chair back seats arrive and are installed.  Word fans were told Saturday night is that they should be available for the next home game, Oct. 9th versus ODU.

[herd1986]

What not so smart. You mean the so called excellent recruiter that usually lost half his class before they hit the field? The so called successful coach who was never given an interview for another HC job? The coach who produced the most humiliating beatdown in Edwards stadium - UC game a few years ago. That blew a league title to WKU at home and then again last year to UAB. The one that lost to Rice 20-0 and lost the team. You mean that guy? LOL! Tell Doc he doesn't need his mom to come on here and defend him.

I think he?s talking about the coach that punted on the opponents 30 yard line.


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[mckayt]

Doc Holliday has no room to laugh about any coach. Doc as a coach had some of the worse losses at the Joan ever! Doc barely won a CUSA championship! Just one in 11 seasons. As a final note the laugh is on Doc who won coach of the year got fired and not one college team out 893 has called him for a job.

As I've said in other posts, as a fan base we should move on from Doc so I'm not coming to Doc's defense with this post. I respect your post and opinion but do you know that no other team contacted him for a job?  Just because he doesn't have another job in college football doesn't mean he wasn't approached about one. Maybe he just wants to retire and not start over somewhere else?

[The E-Man]

As I've said in other posts, as a fan base we should move on from Doc so I'm not coming to Doc's defense with this post. I respect your post and opinion but do you know that no other team contacted him for a job?  Just because he doesn't have another job in college football doesn't mean he wasn't approached about one. Maybe he just wants to retire and not start over somewhere else?

Doc wanted to remain head coach here and he made no secret about it. If Hamrick had his way Doc would still be coaching here... I doubt very seriously Doc would have turned down another head coaching job if it were offered that's just my opinion..

[mckayt]

Doc wanted to remain head coach here and he made no secret about it. If Hamrick had his way Doc would still be coaching here... I doubt very seriously Doc would have turned down another head coaching job if it were offered that's just my opinion..

I hear ya.  Thanks for the response.  Go Herd!

[elginherd]

Doc wanted to remain head coach here and he made no secret about it. If Hamrick had his way Doc would still be coaching here... I doubt very seriously Doc would have turned down another head coaching job if it were offered that's just my opinion..

He might have turned down other positions if given the opportunity, we don't know.
Coach Holliday became a loyal member of the Herd, no doubt as he would say...BUT all the Monday morning QBing done regarding the Herd's hosing the ECU game ignores two issues:
1) Marshall did not play prevent offense, and the offense was exciting and fun to watch.
2) If Doc had been managing this game, he'd have probably lost it in even a more boneheaded manner; the list of boneheaded lost games doesn't have to be repeated.

[GreenWhite]

So now we know the real reason that ole Chuckie Landon is still hanging around MU covering HERD football after about 50 years!  Its all that gratis high class and fancy cuisine that gets served to the media at the JOAN!

As for our attendance figures, one factor may be our rather mature fan base in general.  A lot of our aging fans, regulars, etc., may just be staying away from the JOAN until the new and upgraded padded chair back seats arrive and are installed.  Word fans were told Saturday night is that they should be available for the next home game, Oct. 9th versus ODU.

I didn't say that was why Landon was hanging around. All I was saying is that he is blasting fan attendance when he doesn't have to:
1) Buy a ticket
2) Pay to park
3) Pay for food
4) Pay for something to drink
Add in the fact that he doesn't have to deal with the weather, be it rain or shine, hot or cold. I would be willing to bet he would not go to a single game if he had to pay. A few years ago, I heard another broadcaster get on fans about attending games. Again, I doubt that person would go to a game if they had to pay.

By the way, I don't have season tickets for football. I have a medical issue that requires me not to be out in cool, damp weather. So, I have to play it game by game in order to attend a football game. As for basketball, I have had season tickets for 14 years now. Same seats every year. I do like basketball better than football, but, if I could, I would have season tickets for football also. I will not attack people for not coming to a game.