Topic: Kinsey OUT vs. UAB

[herdfan129]

He may not be statistically but it's also a turnover when you take a 35 footer and airball it, or spinning out of control and shoot a fadeaway awful shot from 18 feet and miss, etc.

Beyers can be good but he can kill you too, IE middle Tennessee, throwing the ball out of bounds on the inbound, and he also made some awful mistakes down the stretch against UAB, late turnovers that really hurt.

But he can bring streaky offense too. I say, get him in and get him 2-3 looks early, if he bangs them down, keep playing him. If he is off, bench him. He is a streaky shooter

If you want to count misses or bad shots as turnovers then Kinsey probably leads the nation. Using your analogy Kinsey should also be benched.

[BoydCountyHerdFan]

Much needed victory for The Herd and what a great atmosphere in the Cam.  I have been critical of DD and the team of late but still show up to every game and support.  I hope they can turn it around and salvage some of this season.  Playing without Kinsey probably was just what the doctor needed for the other guys.  The ball movement and team first mentality was apparent for the first time in quite a while.  Hopefully that way of playing sticks around and when Kinsey returns, we don't return to standing and watching him do his thing.

[Buffalo Bop]

https://twitter.com/Hags22/status/1487753084285689866?s=20&t=DfZZcNZeqtAfzRdDs6h97A

[Collis P]

Turnovers per minute

TK .07
OAK .06
AT .09
DG .04
MB .07
DE .06


I also agree that Beyers should be playing more.   As for the TO per minute is a little skewed -   It should be TO per handling minute.  80% of the players don't handle the ball as much as the guards........................


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[coalherd]

Turnovers per minute

TK .07
OAK .06
AT .09
DG .04
MB .07
DE .06


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Stat doesn't mean that much unless you factor in the minutes per game each player plays.  Guys on the floor 30 to 40 minutes per game, Kinsey, Taylor, etc., with a turnover rate same as someone playing 10 minutes or so, would have to be given some allowance for a fatigue factor, for instance.  So fair to say that overall, as a TEAM, HERD players have to work on eliminating needless turnovers, including unforced ones, and those at critical junctures, like down the stretch, of the games.

[2xBison]

It's the stat you were discussing.  I provided it to you showing you were wrong.  I don't doubt that you aren't getting much out of the stat.


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[coalherd]

So Byers has same to rate as Kinsey, with Kinsey playing a lot more minutes per game.  If Byers were on the floor the same number of minutes per game as TK, he not only would be tugging heavily with both hands on his shorts, he'd probably also would be down on all fours on the floor, gasping for air, and essentially immobile!  You do realize that Kinsey leads ALL of CUSA in minutes played, or minutes per game, which was recently announced.  Again, there certainly a fatigue factor involved in the caliber of a player's play, including TURNOVERS!

[goherd24]

If you want to count misses or bad shots as turnovers then Kinsey probably leads the nation. Using your analogy Kinsey should also be benched.

No crap. Read my other posts, I've been saying Kinsey should be benched all season, and come off the bench and not play the whole game. He is hurting the team and costing us net points as a team because he is taking so many bad and forced shots and shooting the lowest % of his career.

[goherd24]

He's one of better 3 point and FT shooters on team.  Those 3 point percentages include the long range he misses.

Our record would be much better if Byers had not sat as often as he has. 

Counting misses as TOs.  Hilarious.


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Lol you don't think terrible low % shots are just as bad as a statistical turnover? Because it's the same result. The other team gets the ball. This isn't hard.

[HoPPy785]

It's not just about turnovers with Beyers. Go back and watch some games where he gets pulled quickly and watch him regardless if the ball is near him or not. He gets out of position, misses switches, doesn't move quickly enough or has complete brain lapse on defense. If he isn't scoring on offense he is costing you too much on defense.

[2xBison]

Lol you don't think terrible low % shots are just as bad as a statistical turnover? Because it's the same result. The other team gets the ball. This isn't hard.

Again you criticized long range 3s.  Look at his 3 point percentage.  The long shots are in his range and spread the floor.  All you need to do is look at his 3 point % which includes long range misses (turnovers to you ).  You are fine with 16-18% 3 point shooting as long as they shoot closer to the line?  I guess all misses are turnovers.  Absurd.


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[2xBison]

It's not just about turnovers with Beyers. Go back and watch some games where he gets pulled quickly and watch him regardless if the ball is near him or not. He gets out of position, misses switches, doesn't move quickly enough or has complete brain lapse on defense. If he isn't scoring on offense he is costing you too much on defense.

Yes.  He (like many in team is not a good defender).  However, offense and shooting has been our main problem this year.  We just saw the results last game of him getting significant minutes. 

His game is not perfect but none of our players are on offense AND defense.  OAK is only big that's strong defensively. 


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[HoPPy785]

Yes.  He (like many in team is not a good defender).  However, offense and shooting has been our main problem this year.  We just saw the results last game of him getting significant minutes. 

His game is not perfect but none of our players are on offense AND defense.  OAK is only big that's strong defensively. 


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I agree, but times when he was benched he was not scoring, creating turnovers and giving up points. The trifecta of poor play. I'm sure he was also given specific instructions to follow to stay on the court and wasn't doing them. If he can keep scoring then he should start and play.

[Collis P]

I agree, but times when he was benched he was not scoring, creating turnovers and giving up points. The trifecta of poor play. I'm sure he was also given specific instructions to follow to stay on the court and wasn't doing them. If he can keep scoring then he should start and play.

I agree with you and 2xbison and others about Beyers.......  With that said - I really have a problem with Goran starting.  I have always respected Danny and understand he makes mistakes, however this dedication to Goran really hurts the TEAM concept.  I just do not understand and even if Danny would give his reasons, I would not and do not agree with this...................  JMO!

[Buffalo Bop]

I agree with you and 2xbison and others about Beyers.......  With that said - I really have a problem with Goran starting.  I have always respected Danny and understand he makes mistakes, however this dedication to Goran really hurts the TEAM concept.  I just do not understand and even if Danny would give his reasons, I would not and do not agree with this...................  JMO!

Goran is a space eater, a wide body who can score a little and grab some rebounds but isn't quick enough on defense. So he plays limited minutes.

I'm looking forward to seeing 7-footer Micah Handlogten next season who isn't as strong as Goran but is quicker and more athletic.

[herdfan129]

Goran is terrible. That?s the only way to describe him. He?s 7 foot and I can?t think of a single time where he dunked it in a game.

[miltonherdfan]

I'm looking forward to seeing 7-footer Micah Handlogten next season who isn't as strong as Goran but is quicker and more athletic.

NOT as strong as Goran?!?!  why then?  why?

[Buffalo Bop]

NOT as strong as Goran?!?!  why then?  why?

He's like most typical HS guys moving up to college who need to get stronger in the weight room.

[Hazer74]

I just wish byers played his game because hes really good at that hes not a guard and quit crying to the officials

[2xBison]

I just wish byers played his game because hes really good at that hes not a guard and quit crying to the officials

I agree, especially on crying.  He whines on every call against him.


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[MicDrass1]

This team has (0) chance of a tourney run without Beyers playing significant minutes

[elginherd]

This team has (0) chance of a tourney run without Beyers playing significant effective minutes

Fixed this for you.
I wish his bball IQ matched his physical abilities.