Topic: Kinsey

[Always THE HERD]

Someone with more knowledge please explain what is so great about Kinsey. I have watched several games on TV and for the life of me I just don't see anything worthy of post college opportunity. The only thing that I see as being pretty good is his leaping ability.

[miltonherdfan]

suffice to say his game has gone downhill big-time this season.  if you look at his stats from last 3 yrs, you can see why there were NBA fantasies for him.  but he's flushed those down the toilet this season.

he'd be a fool not to return to college next season

[whf]

Kinsey can leap, he can shoot within 12 feet or so, he can rebound, and when he has help, he can semi-effectively defend his assignment. What he can not do is be a great player when not having other very good players around him to share the load.  If you look at his demise, it is the talent around him, and then also his inability (my opinion  here) to handle the show-case he tried to create to become a first round draft.  His value has dropped, and he'll (again, my opinion) hit the portal to play one more year in college with other NBA style players, and then up his stuff to a draft status; albeit not first round, that is probably gone for ever.

I feel for the guy, really.  But one has to figure out how the help he had last year got out of town.  He can't be happy about that.

[Herd2believe]

IMO Kinsey is a tremendous leaper and but not a great basketball player. For example, even with that leaping ability, 6?5? and long arms, he has 1 blocked shot on the year?

[Garbanjo]

This season has been an unmitigated disaster for Herd basketball and Kinsey

#dumpsterfire

[herdfan129]

I?ve never thought Kinsey was an NBA player but that?s not to take away from him. He?s one of my favorite players of all time, but people are underestimating just how elite the NBA players are. Kinsey is athletic enough to play in the NBA, but he isn?t skilled enough for a guard and isn?t big enough as a forward. He?s a classic tweener.

He will make good money playing over seas if he wants and there?s no shame in that AT ALL.

[Thundering In MD]

He?s a nice kid.  I wish him the best.

[MUonium]

i agree he's a nice young man.  i agree that 6'5 hurts him a bit and some of his ball handling and perimeter shooting.  we know he has some NBA quality's and skills.  he has at times had to carry this team, for good or bad.  will he stay or will he go elsewhere?   either way, i thank him.  we need to reform, we need a team in the off season.  DD needs to either let go of some players or sit them and play new players. 

[MicDrass1]

If he comes back he should go in portal to help his stock.  Practicing against better players is needed.  Iron sharpens iron

[herdfifteen]

i agree he's a nice young man.  i agree that 6'5 hurts him a bit and some of his ball handling and perimeter shooting.  we know he has some NBA quality's and skills.  he has at times had to carry this team, for good or bad.  will he stay or will he go elsewhere?   either way, i thank him.  we need to reform, we need a team in the off season.  DD needs to either let go of some players or sit them and play new players.

We shouldn?t assume DD will be here next year, we now have a president who is results oriented and another year of mediocrity just so we don?t hurt feelings may not fit our new president?s style.

[MUonium]

We shouldn?t assume DD will be here next year, we now have a president who is results oriented and another year of mediocrity just so we don?t hurt feelings may not fit our new president?s style.

i'm certainly not assuming anything other than reforming with or without will be necessary.  i'll bet Pres. Smith will listen and feel his way for a little while

[herd2win]

I am hopeful that all parties involved make the right decision.  It seems clear to me it is time for a change but from listening to DD he seems clueless on how to fix this team and at the same time keeps talking about next year and how the team won?t be so young.

I appreciate what Kinsey has done and it is difficult to blame him for this year as the entire team seems like a rudderless ship.

[Always THE HERD]

Let's get back on topic......the discussion is about Kinsey (not DD or players, etc.).

[RollingThunder80]

Kinsey can leap, he can shoot within 12 feet or so, he can rebound, and when he has help, he can semi-effectively defend his assignment. What he can not do is be a great player when not having other very good players around him to share the load.  If you look at his demise, it is the talent around him, and then also his inability (my opinion  here) to handle the show-case he tried to create to become a first round draft.  His value has dropped, and he'll (again, my opinion) hit the portal to play one more year in college with other NBA style players, and then up his stuff to a draft status; albeit not first round, that is probably gone for ever.

I feel for the guy, really.  But one has to figure out how the help he had last year got out of town.  He can't be happy about that.

There is no doubt losing West and Williams put him into a worse situation where he is forcing his offense too much and not playing within himself but what explains his total lack of ability to hit a 3 ball? He consistently misses wide open looks?  To me that is the most difficult thing to explain

[MCA23]

Kinsey is a Grade A role player.  He's amazing when he's on a team with a Jon Elmore.  He's an off the ball player.  What he is not is a #1 option player that when nothing is going he can take over a game.  He can have 20 points and have almost no imprint on the game.

[mu79grad]

One characteristic of an elite player is that they elevate the play of those around them.  Unfortunately, with Kinsey, I've just not seen that occurring.  If this was happening, then the Herd's record would be dramatically better.   

[MUther]

suffice to say his game has gone downhill big-time this season.  if you look at his stats from last 3 yrs, you can see why there were NBA fantasies for him.  but he's flushed those down the toilet this season.

he'd be a fool not to return to college somewhere else next season

fify

[Herdmeister]

I do know that the NBA interest in him was real. I sat at 2 games at FIU last year with an NBA scout. He was giddy about him.
Those of us at practice this fall saw a new NBA scout come to practice nearly everyday. I met 2 NBA scouts at the Indiana game this year they were there to see him against the Hoosiers.
I will also say that I haven't seen a scout at a game or at practice for weeks.

[Garbanjo]

I do know that the NBA interest in him was real. I sat at 2 games at FIU last year with an NBA scout. He was giddy about him.
Those of us at practice this fall saw a new NBA scout come to practice nearly everyday. I met 2 NBA scouts at the Indiana game this year they were there to see him against the Hoosiers.
I will also say that I haven't seen a scout at a game or at practice for weeks.

I?m sure there was interest before this season but this plan to run the offense through Kinsey is a total failure and yet we still continue to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

Kinsey is not a 1 or a 2 and this shift in style has destroyed this team. Who knows if it would have mattered if we hadn?t made this shift as we clearly lack talent, strength, conditioning and BBall IQ.

#hardtimes

[HerdinNT]

It's called coaching.  We have very little of this-you dont see it you are blind.  From defense to rebounding there is no improvement in play from most all players.  I hate to say it but Kinsey should have transferred out and went to a school/coach who could have coached him on the areas of needed improvement.   

[Herd-nficent]

If he doesn't want to play overseas, he could be a great Harlem Globtrotter.

[goherd24]

Maybe that added weight and muscle threw his shot off. He is having the worst year of his career shooting by far. That's killing him. Kinsey was a projected 2nd rounder i think last season. He has clearly lost that but that's not to say he can't come back, shoot 40% from 3 again and 55% from.the field and have scouts drooling over him again.

He is good person and I wish him the best and hope he can get back on track.

[parshall2marshall]

I do know that the NBA interest in him was real. I sat at 2 games at FIU last year with an NBA scout. He was giddy about him.
Those of us at practice this fall saw a new NBA scout come to practice nearly everyday. I met 2 NBA scouts at the Indiana game this year they were there to see him against the Hoosiers.
I will also say that I haven't seen a scout at a game or at practice for weeks.

IIRC that was the game in which Kinsey basically could not miss. Not going to research it right now though. I also thought that was the game reportedly in which the game official / ref came up to DD at some point and asked him "where'd you get [that guy TK]"

Kinsey is one of my favorite all-time Herdsters and not least because he could have turned pro and not come back. Ask yourselves where we would be without him. For instance we just got 28 points out of the Sheriff and still got blown out ( by 15 or so - prolly could have been worse ). And this talk from so many on the board about how TK should transfer next season hurts me.

It wouldn't surprise me if we took 3 of our next 4. Would that make us a good team or indicate much hope for the Tournament ? I think the answer would be no. But it would build some self-respect.

[MicDrass1]

Kinsey looked bigger on tv last year than this year.  He should have left last year. 

[herdfan129]

Kinsey looked bigger on tv last year than this year.  He should have left last year.

And went where exactly? He was and always will be an overseas guy. Nothing wrong with that. He can still make $100k+ per year playing basketball overseas. Seems like a pretty good gig to me.