Topic: Strength Coach BA

[BigJimslade]

I?ll also make the point, that we have ran the football and played stud defense.  When your offensive line pushes Notre Dame?s defense around, when your defense physically shuts down opposing teams offense for an entire game. 

Those are WEIGHT ROOM wins, culture wins, and motivation wins, make no mistake about it.

No team will ever go into games with a bunch of physically soft players (or mentally soft) and do those things. 

We rotated players on defense and remained physically stout, did that happen by accident?

All respect to the guys that bring up speed, and I?m sure you mean have 4.6 guys running 4.5?s, something along those lines, but if there is a strength coach that can purely teach speed, i would love to learn to be the fastest man in the world.

Were the BGSU and Troy losses that year?weight room losses

[Big City]

[Johnnyherd]

Were the BGSU and Troy losses that year?weight room losses

No, they were not.

In the game of football, there is a thing called the line of scrimmage and each team puts players on that line.  At the snap of every play the ?lines? battle for control of the line of scrimmage.  Putting players in weight rooms, completing a program to build strength and endurance, greatly aids in a teams ability to control the line of scrimmage. 

Particularly, stronger offensive lineman are able to facilitate running the ball.  Strong defensive linemen are often difficult to run against.   Running the football is about attitude, strength and execution.   Defending the run is about, assignment football and being stout / strong.   

Running the football is only one way a team can advance the ball.  The ball maybe advanced and the line of scrimmage moved forward by passing the ball, as well.

Running the ball exclusively is often referred to as being one dimensional, because it makes the game predicable and greatly simplifies what the defense must do to stop the offense and win the game.

Passing the ball is not about strength, it is about skill and timing.  It requires good decision making, accurate passing and catching the ball.  A weight program generally will not improve passing.

Another important thing is weight program won?t help with turnovers and turnovers can be horrendous and cause a team to lose.  A weight program will not help with penalties either, as they are most generally caused by mental mistakes.

Now we?re going to use the information I just provided you to understand the loses to Bowling Green and Troy.

Against BG we rushed for 191 yards and they rushed for 77, we had 3 turnovers and they had zero.

Against Troy both teams rushed for equal amounts, but Troy was able to use skill and pass the ball and we could not pass the ball.  It went 320 yards passing to 76.  We punted 9 times in that game.  Although Troy was only able to score 16 points against our defense.  We were one dimensional and only able to score 7, and the team with the most points wins.

Hopefully, If you understood this, you?re on your way to understanding football and much more importantly knowing what you?re talking about, when you talk about football.

[MicDrass1]

I?m in a wait and see with our S&C coach this year.  We had (0) push last year on OL and couldn?t stop the run.  We looked slow.  However, talent is the most important attribute in any sport.  So much of our struggles could have been lack of talent.  The S&C coach doesn?t identify and recruit.  So can?t necessarily put our weakness on him.

[Lord Haw-Haw]

Just like ElginHerd said in here last week, without improved OL and QB play Marshall's offense will be all brakes and no gas again this coming season. There must be a reason the bookmakers have Marshall at +1600 against to win the Sun Belt conference title in the upcoming season. App State is at +350.

[coalherd]

No, they were not.

In the game of football, there is a thing called the line of scrimmage and each team puts players on that line.  At the snap of every play the ?lines? battle for control of the line of scrimmage.  Putting players in weight rooms, completing a program to build strength and endurance, greatly aids in a teams ability to control the line of scrimmage. 

Particularly, stronger offensive lineman are able to facilitate running the ball.  Strong defensive linemen are often difficult to run against.   Running the football is about attitude, strength and execution.   Defending the run is about, assignment football and being stout / strong.   

Running the football is only one way a team can advance the ball.  The ball maybe advanced and the line of scrimmage moved forward by passing the ball, as well.

Running the ball exclusively is often referred to as being one dimensional, because it makes the game predicable and greatly simplifies what the defense must do to stop the offense and win the game.

Passing the ball is not about strength, it is about skill and timing.  It requires good decision making, accurate passing and catching the ball.  A weight program generally will not improve passing.

Another important thing is weight program won?t help with turnovers and turnovers can be horrendous and cause a team to lose.  A weight program will not help with penalties either, as they are most generally caused by mental mistakes.

Now we?re going to use the information I just provided you to understand the loses to Bowling Green and Troy.

Against BG we rushed for 191 yards and they rushed for 77, we had 3 turnovers and they had zero.

Against Troy both teams rushed for equal amounts, but Troy was able to use skill and pass the ball and we could not pass the ball.  It went 320 yards passing to 76.  We punted 9 times in that game.  Although Troy was only able to score 16 points against our defense.  We were one dimensional and only able to score 7, and the team with the most points wins.

Hopefully, If you understood this, you?re on your way to understanding football and much more importantly knowing what you?re talking about, when you talk about football.

In short, I believe what Johnnyherd is trying to point out is that at least in one of those 2 losses, at Bowling Green, Coach Huff and/or his Offensive Coordinator picked a very, very inopportune time to reach really deep into Doc Holliday's old playbook and pull out, and run, Doc's "Run the play where we fumble on the goal line", "deep in the opponent's territory,", etc., and RUN IT OFTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigJimslade]

In short, I believe what Johnnyherd is trying to point out is that at least in one of those 2 losses, at Bowling Green, Coach Huff and/or his Offensive Coordinator picked a very, very inopportune time to reach really deep into Doc Holliday's old playbook and pull out, and run, Doc's "Run the play where we fumble on the goal line", "deep in the opponent's territory,", etc., and RUN IT OFTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok but how does one separate out all these variables in order to determine that a win was a weight room win? or not a weight room win
How does one know that a better weight room program would not have carried the day
Are turnovers a more important variable than the weight room

[Johnnyherd]

Ok but how does one separate out all these variables in order to determine that a win was a weight room win? or not a weight room win

Tell me you?ve never played football, without saying, I have never played football.

If a team runs the ball down your throat and they win the game. 
If I defensive line dominates an offensive line, the whole game, and they win the game.
If a team, makes their opponents exhausted and they use superior conditioning to finish and win the game.   
In short yardage and goal line situations, if a team is able to show run and run the ball successfully and win the game.
Conversely in short yardage and goal line situations, if a defense, stones and stops a team and gets the ball back.
If one team doubles or triples the amount of rushing yards.
If a defense allows little rushing success.
If you see things like one team?s line pushing the other line backwards.
If you see defensive linemen penetrating into the offensive backfield.
If you see an offense blocking & knocking defensive players down.

Weightroom wins don?t have to mean complete domination, being moderately superior in the aforementioned areas can often be weightroom wins, because every team does conditioning. 

For example, if the game is tied with less than 2 minutes left and we successfully rush the ball down the field and display superior conditioning and strength and we make it into the redzone and run the ball into the endzone.

Weight room wins

Football is a contact sport, physical size, strength and conditioning are advantages (please read that again and take time to try to understand it)

These things may not be apparent to the casual fan, but they are really important.

Strength is not everything because football is a game of tremendous skill, mental focus and speed, as well. 

[BigJimslade]

Tell me you?ve never played football, without saying, I have never played football.

If a team runs the ball down your throat and they win the game. 
If I defensive line dominates an offensive line, the whole game, and they win the game.
If a team, makes their opponents exhausted and they use superior conditioning to finish and win the game.   
In short yardage and goal line situations, if a team is able to show run and run the ball successfully and win the game.
Conversely in short yardage and goal line situations, if a defense, stones and stops a team and gets the ball back.
If one team doubles or triples the amount of rushing yards.
If a defense allows little rushing success.
If you see things like one team?s line pushing the other line backwards.
If you see defensive linemen penetrating into the offensive backfield.
If you see an offense blocking & knocking defensive players down.

Weightroom wins don?t have to mean complete domination, being moderately superior in the aforementioned areas can often be weightroom wins, because every team does conditioning. 

For example, if the game is tied with less than 2 minutes left and we successfully rush the ball down the field and display superior conditioning and strength and we make it into the redzone and run the ball into the endzone.

Weight room wins

Football is a contact sport, physical size, strength and conditioning are advantages (please read that again and take time to try to understand it)

These things may not be apparent to the casual fan, but they are really important.

Strength is not everything because football is a game of tremendous skill, mental focus and speed, as well.

I think I am beginning to understand now

Going forward this season would you be willing to categorize each win or loss for me as being either weight room wins or conversely weight room losses
or weight room having no impact.
Thanks

[TomorrowHERD]

The ST coachs impact on winning is impossible to quantify
They do a lot of cheerleading on game day
To represent these coaches in the above manner is a greatly exaggerated

Stuck on stupid...

[elginherd]

Stuck on stupid...

To be fair to BJS, which he probably doesn't deserve, it is difficult to to quantify 'weight room wins'.
It's probably less difficult to chronicle conditioning losses, which includes strength.

The loss to Old Miss in the Motor City Bowl was a conditioning loss.

That said, the strength coaches are incredibly important. They are the ones who have the most contact with the players during the off-season and are instrumental instilling a culture where the players are pushing their teammates.