Topic: A Transfer Portal Fix

[Mako]

I support players being able to transfer without penalty.  If I'm a Biology major, I can transfer from one school to another as many times as I want and the only possible penalty is losing credit hours.  If I'm a music major, I can transfer as many times as I want and I'll still be welcome in the band wherever I go.  There is no logical reason to treat athletes different from any other students when it comes to restricting the number of times they can transfer. 

Having said that, athletes who transfer while the season is ongoing can wreak havoc on programs.  This problem is not going to be limited to Marshall.  The easy fix is to limit transfers to a time window that only occurs after the championship game in that sport.  Once that event occurs, no transfers can potentially impact the program during the season.  That also doesn't give any programs an advantage or disadvantage over others depending on when they play their last game.  There should also be a time limit on the portal.  For example, the championship game in men's basketball happens on April 7, 2025 for this season.  You could open the portal a week after then and leave it open for a month.  At that point, it closes until the next year. 

Anywho, no one is asking me but that's what I'd do as NCAA king. 

[herdinphilly]

I think we?ve all said that regarding the portal window. The powers that be must be brain dead to not foresee the problem.

[oii4theherd]

G5 teams are nothing but farm teams now. Coaching is a deferent ballgame now with the portal. I really think that is the reason Saban retired? It would be hard for them to keep 2nd and 3rd string players that want to be on the field? I was not really a fan of Huffs coaching but he did field a much better team this year?

[gochneaur645]

I say take some of the bowl payouts and give it to the winning team. Play for straight cash homie

[ru4mu2]

IMO, the portal should not be open until Spring semester is finished.  A player should have to complete ONE calendar at a school before they are aloud to enter the portal.

[whf]

I say take some of the bowl payouts and give it to the winning team. Play for straight cash homie

This has been my thought too. I don't know why MU didn't just tell the players that the total MU allotment from the game would be split between the players, a minimum for each player, and an algorithim for the rest split by playing time or something like that.  That would be true pay for play, and IMHO would have inticed a few to stay committed to the portal, but willing to play in the game anyway.

As for the coaches, we've got so many assistant to the assistants, etc. we could have fielded a team with patch-work coaches as well.  As a matter of fact, I suspect some of the guys who aren't playing might have accepted that money to coach their positions.

Creativity takes time and interest, I'm not sure that MU was really interested in investing in either for this bowl. Just a hunch that they just didn't care.

[ru4mu2]

This has been my thought too. I don't know why MU didn't just tell the players that the total MU allotment from the game would be split between the players, a minimum for each player, and an algorithim for the rest split by playing time or something like that.  That would be true pay for play, and IMHO would have inticed a few to stay committed to the portal, but willing to play in the game anyway.

As for the coaches, we've got so many assistant to the assistants, etc. we could have fielded a team with patch-work coaches as well.  As a matter of fact, I suspect some of the guys who aren't playing might have accepted that money to coach their positions.

Creativity takes time and interest, I'm not sure that MU was really interested in investing in either for this bowl. Just a hunch that they just didn't care.

You do realize that we don't break even on most of these bowl game, right?  To my knowledge, we actually made a profit of 50k after expenses, on exactly one...

[herd2win]

Any money calculation is not taking into affect the PR for the school of 3 hours of coverage on a national network.  That would cost millions.

[elginherd]

IMO, the portal should not be open until Spring semester is finished.  A player should have to complete ONE calendar at a school before they are aloud to enter the portal.

That'd be great.
However, limiting transfers to the spring would surely trigger lawsuits which the NCAA  more than likely lose.

[herd2win]

Limiting transfers to only in the Spring would not trigger a lawsuit in my opinion if the NLI that a players signs outlines the portal rules to once a year.

I am not an attorney but I would think that a signed contract would hold up.

[banker]

Missing the logic of comparing players to any other student then tying your idea to a sports calendar and not the academic calendar. If you are a biology student and have the opportunity to go to a top school in that field would you delay that decision an extra semester?

It?s not that I disagree with the premise, just it?s not apples to apples. I do believe the solution is going to be contract based. I would make standard NIL deals annual, or even multi-year, contracts with stiff penalties for cancellation.

[gtrman4herd]

Contracts are the only way to remedy this mess, I even think salary caps need to be put in place.  They are basically professionals now, treat them as such

[elginherd]

Limiting transfers to only in the Spring would not trigger a lawsuit in my opinion if the NLI that a players signs outlines the portal rules to once a year.

I am not an attorney but I would think that a signed contract would hold up.

You are correct.
However, any college that would require such a contract would be at a disadvantage to those that don't.
If a conference or the NCAA decided that such contracts are required, that would not stand legal muster.

[FilmJunky]

Get rid of spring ball. I know it helps teams a bunch but this is why kids transfer when they do. With the way CFB is now they almost have no choice but to move to a NFL pre season / mini camp / freshman mini camp model to make it work.

[herd2win]

Get rid of spring ball. I know it helps teams a bunch but this is why kids transfer when they do. With the way CFB is now they almost have no choice but to move to a NFL pre season / mini camp / freshman mini camp model to make it work.

Won't happen but I really like this idea.  It would fix the issue of the transfer portal.

[whf]

You do realize that we don't break even on most of these bowl game, right?  To my knowledge, we actually made a profit of 50k after expenses, on exactly one...

I don't think this is true any more, it was for the $500,000 bowls, splitting the money with the conferences. As a matter of fact, I'm quite sure that even for the lower paying bowls, SBC equalizes the bowls so that attendees don't lose a single cent.

[miltonherdfan]

You are correct.
However, any college that would require such a contract would be at a disadvantage to those that don't.
If a conference or the NCAA decided that such contracts are required, that would not stand legal muster.

So, why is it that mlb/nfl/etc can require contracts for players, but ncaa can't?  What is the legal difference bw ncaa & mlb/nfl/etc?

[elginherd]

So, why is it that mlb/nfl/etc can require contracts for players, but ncaa can't?  What is the legal difference bw ncaa & mlb/nfl/etc?

mlb, nba, nfl, nhl, cfl, mls, etc, etc all have collectively bargained agreements between the leagues and the players where the players' reps have agreed to a set of rules regarding the conditions of their employment. The pro leagues are de facto natural monopolies who are led by a single commissioner's office.

The members of the NCAA are each an independent entity.
As such, a collection of its members limiting an individual's ablilty to seek other opportunites to play or to earn is collusion, because there is no agreement between the players and a conference or the NCAA as a whole for the players to voluntarily surrender any of their rights.
Those players are pretty much free to move...unless those players volunteer to sign a contract to stay until the end of the last game.

A lot, if not most, of the NCAA's regulatory authority regarding "amateurism" includng compensation and mobility has never had much grounding in legality.

[miltonherdfan]

mlb, nba, nfl, nhl, cfl, mls, etc, etc all have collectively bargained agreements between the leagues and the players where the players' reps have agreed to a set of rules regarding the conditions of their employment. The pro leagues are de facto natural monopolies who are led by a single commissioner's office.

The members of the NCAA are each an independent entity.
As such, a collection of its members limiting an individual's ablilty to seek other opportunites to play or to earn is collusion, because there is no agreement between the players and a conference or the NCAA as a whole for the players to voluntarily surrender any of their rights.
Those players are pretty much free to move...unless those players volunteer to sign a contract to stay until the end of the last game.

A lot, if not most, of the NCAA's regulatory authority regarding "amateurism" includng compensation and mobility has never had much grounding in legality.

thanks!  so are you saying scholarships couldn't ever be replaced by player contracts?

[ThunderValley]

What if Army, Navy and Air Force players demanded equal rights for playing

[elginherd]

thanks!  so are you saying scholarships couldn't ever be replaced by player contracts?

No, I'm not.