Topic: Prop updates

[pokey]

no he's not, he used to.  gone for months now.

if it's incorrect positive info like pokey quoting friend or family of NQ or a coach...it's ok?

i'd rather have it from an anonymous source.

people post hearsay and rumors all the time on message boards.  tito, while pretty accurate misses some too....so he didn't have it all.  he also never said he got it from the Ath department or whereever...so any thing as to where he gets it/got it is PURE SPECULATION....we just know he was pretty accurate.

but for those concerned tito's gone now,  but we can still look forward to program groupies revealing their information and quoting coaches like darlington on a NQ'er(not supposed to)...and somehow that's ok.

i'm fine with all this.  I like pokey's  information 90% of the time.  I just think he had the axe to grind and really went a little over board.

Okay, Bison, you asked for it and you've got it.   Tito was right about Houston, but being employed by the athletic dept. as tito was it was very wrong and unethical for him to post academic info. on the boards.......matter of fact it could've/should've gotten him fired.  At the time, there still was a way for Houston to get qualified.  The problem was that the people in charge of the players progress was very understaffed (as you will hear Coach Pruett/Coach Snyder and everyone else talk about), and his lack of academic development was not reported in time to the proper authorieies/coaches.   Therefore, the coaches have been pissed off and on a mission to get the academics part under the athletic dept. umbrella, where they can be (self sufficient) and have a better organization for helping the players academically.  Most schools are already set up this way.  (if you read today's HD Sports about the big green dinner last night, i think it hits on this topic).  Yes, Houston knew what he had to do academically and didn't get it done, but the ball was also dropped on the other side too.

Now, since Houston and apparently Tito are gone....let's see if i can clear this up for you.
Call it an axe to grind with Tito, call it what you will..........he was flat out wrong with posting this information, and i called him on it.  How many other times, did i call him on the carpet for posting info?  You will notice in many recruiting threads, that i enjoyed his info.  It was more of trying to do the right thing, and keep ALL involved, including wolfman, out of trouble.   I know for a FACT that Tito had an axe to grind with Houston personally.....for reasons i won't go into, and if you noticed, everything he EVER posted about Houston was negative from the start.  I know that Tito was questioned by some people at Marshall, and i don't know what came of it, but i suspect, the reason he hasn't posted inside info. lately is not because of POKEY, it's because he was told to abide by his departments ethical laws, or that they showed him the door, and he isn't privvy to such info. anymore.   I can't answer that.....maybe he can come on here and clear it up.

Grind your axe with me more if you would like..........but i just ask that you know the facts about the whole situation before you try to make me look like a bad guy for "supposedly" running Tito off.

Just think about it........His information was SO good during recruiting season, that it was almost too good to be true.  Didn't the lightbulbs go off in your head.  The only people privvy to that kind of info. comes from the inside.  The reason you don't get that much specific recruiting info. from the inside is because it is against the NCAA and departmental rules for someone who works on the inside to talk about potential recruits, especially on a message board.   If it seems too good to be true, then it usually is..........and that's all im going to say.

[pokey]

and as far as this quote goes

but for those concerned tito's gone now, but we can still look forward to program groupies revealing their information and quoting coaches like darlington on a NQ'er(not supposed to)...and somehow that's ok.

What did you do before Tito?  I guess you never read or believed message boards in 1 BT  (Before Tito)?


I am not a groupie....i don't hang out at the facilities bldg, i don't hang out and befriend players.  I just happen to have and know alot of people in the right places that i can call friends.  I don't call them bugging them with questions........9/10 times they give me info. unsolicited.   But with your attitude and a few others, you have almost religated me to not posting any info. at all on the boards, and only private messaging it to a few trusted posters.  If that's what you want out of us "groupies" then im sure that you could be conceived as the bad guy then..........the same role you have tried to create for me.  Do you want to take that role on?

[DJdaHERDfan]

OK, back to football.

Let this argument die down.


It is over with.

Time to move on.

[pokey]

OK, back to football.

Let this argument die down.


It is over with.

Time to move on.

i tried to overlook his schnide remarks the last few days, but if he can't leave well enough alone....someone has to spell it out for him.   Besides, how can we talk football without Tito around?   :(

[Garbanjo]

Keep sharing info pokey. That's what makes these boards worthwhile................

[2xBison]

pokey pokey pokey, I've said I like your information.  I've got no quarrel with you, I just thought and still think you had the axe to grind.  no biggee, it's over now.  

I am not a groupie....i don't hang out at the facilities bldg, i don't hang out and befriend players. I just happen to have and know alot of people in the right places that i can call friends.

are they the ones that said holiday was coming and houston was doing fine?  who called you a groupie?  no one did, but if you are worried about it then maybe you are.  also, since coaches and staff are the only ones that really know about most recruits, sounds like you have been reporting some improper information about the o lineman being recruited by Pitt.  I don't have a problem with it as that is what message boards are for, but you seem to be able to judge who is able to post what.  how do you know who tito is, wolf doesn't know....did you speculate and then stalk someone?  did he ever admit it???

If that's what you want out of us "groupies" then im sure that you could be conceived as the bad guy then..........the same role you have tried to create for me. Do you want to take that role on?

guess that groupie crack did hit too close.  pokey as i said, i like your info and everyones.  right or wrong.  but, since you are a fan and supporter, don't know who appointed you the message board police or program police.  you are the one that made a federal case out of tito's posts when he was correct and you were not.  that was my point and that only.  

if you keep info to yourself, that's your choice.   sounds like you are getting it from other "tito"s anyway and it's not for the public anyway.  if you want to live up to your standard, probably shouldn't even PM people with it.  

everything he EVER posted about Houston was negative from the start.

not really, i recall im speaking very highly of his talents.  he was critical about his work ethic and made a factual post about his academic progress.  he has been critical of other players and mentioned others struggles, they never seemed to bother you like Houston.  sounded to me like you got to close to the Houston folks.  probably not a good idea for a supporter especially since he was not even officially on the roster.  as you recall, we should be carefull about props.

If it seems too good to be true, then it usually is.....

in this case, it wasn't too good to be true, but actually true in most cases.  well except a couple like Bolio, i recall you mentioning tito was wrong on that one.

pokey, as i said got no axe to grind.  i'm done.  post info or not.  your choice.  call people out, your choice.  mine too.

take care and go herd.

[DJdaHERDfan]

nothing like a good internet spat to get things going on an internet board.
 :o

OK, back to the prop situation..........................

If Houston doesn't make it, can he and any other failures still make it to the Herd football team the following year?
Just curious as to how this all works and plays out.

In all honesty, all I wanted was for Filer to make it. We really need that kind of WR on our team. We have lived before without a Houston type on defense as CB, so we can afford that loss. JMO

[BHFIOHIO]

Underwood gets eligible, then I say DE is weakest spot on team by far and Bush is really needed(don't have any insider knowledge of his actual ath ability) but Thomas, Kaminski, El Amin, Tinker, Greer and Herscher have not excited yet. Maybe Roberson or Souder will change? Maybe the fr Lake?

             GO HERD!

[pokey]

pokey, as i said got no axe to grind.  

why was this post resurrected then after 2 months?  

What i post is FACT, plain and simple when it is speculation i say so.....i don't grind axes.....i don't have time........i gon't go around resurrecting 2 month old posts to try to prove people wrong.  I gathered all of the facts before i questioned tito......unlike some people, i don't just run my mouth to hear myself talk.

There is a difference...i don't work for the football office so therefore, me talking or posting about issues is perfectly legal and not against any ncaa guidelines............and as far as where i get my info. from........well probably the same place that Anthony Hanshew or any other civilian gets it from.

Have a great day, and go Herd!

[2xBison]

that's not an axe grinding, that's making a point.

you're the one that made a huge deal about the houston stuff being wrong a few months ago.

I for one, don't know where you or tito work.  i never heard tito say where he worked so i don't know how anyone could possibly know for sure.

i know someone who has something to do with recruiting is leaking some confidential stuff about o lineman from ohio to fans.  that's all i really know for sure.

[pokey]

that's not an axe grinding, that's making a point.

you're the one that made a huge deal about the houston stuff being wrong a few months ago.

I for one, don't know where you or tito work.  i never heard tito say where he worked so i don't know how anyone could possibly know for sure.

i know someone who has something to do with recruiting is leaking some confidential stuff about o lineman from ohio to fans.  that's all i really know for sure.

how do you know that........you don't know who my source is........how does rivals or the herald dispatch or anyone else find out recruiting info???   i know people outside of huntington if you can grasp that.  I know you don't know where tito works........thats what im trying to tell you........know the facts before you blabber off and accuse people of this and that.  if he didn't work where he did.......NOBODY would have a problem with him telling what he knows.........including yours truly.  If i was getting recruiting info. from some illegal source.. dont you think i would know about EVERY recruit and not just 1???