Topic: Hmmm, self supporting?

[gtrman4herd]

Interesting little tidbit I happened across.......

Indoor practice facility to get new name
By ROB ROSSI
SPORTS EDITOR
 
Former West Virginia Governor Gaston Caperton, widely considered the unparalleled supporter of public and higher education during his two terms in office, will be honored Saturday as West Virginia University names its new indoor practice facility after him.
The Gaston Caperton Indoor Practice Facility will be officially dedicated at a ceremony outside the facility at 11:45 a.m. Featured speakers scheduled to appear are WVU President David Hardesty, Athletic Director Ed Pastilong, head football coach Don Nehlen and the former Gov. Caperton.
The ceremony will be open to the public. Self-guided tours will be available from noon to 12:30 p.m. after the program.
Included in the ceremony is a scheduled unveiling of a bronze plaque, which will be temporarily displayed inside the lobby of the facility, and an outdoor sign. Both the plaque and sign will be moved to permanent locations at a later, yet-to-be-defined, date.
Caperton served as governor from 1989 to 1997 and helped secure state funding for the 75,000 square foot practice facility while in office.
“For years we realized we needed an indoor practice facility,” Pastilong said. “Former Gov. Caperton was sympathetic to our needs and enabled us with the financial assistance to carry out this project.”
Former Gov. Caperton is credited with upgrading West Virginia’s public school system and his “Five Year Plan,” which allotted a 3.25 percent increase for state colleges and universities.
The Gaston Caperton Indoor Practice Facility cost $6.3 million to construct

[HerdChemist89]

Thanks.

I just updated my signature to reflect The Truth.

[W0lfman]

They may very well be self supporting now but that is because everything that has ever been built up there was done by the taxpayers.  That stuff would've never been built if they were to soley depend on donations.  Pop money, riding the coattails of a BE schedule and being part of a BCS conference cant be discounted either.  And people wonder why the fans of that school are pissed at having to earn a 5-2 on the field.  They dont have a damn clue what earning your keep is all about.  Welfare whores is what they are.

Thanks for the linkup, gtrman.

[Bill In Huntington]

in the process of being paid off with Athletic money and donations.  EVERYTHING WVU has built since the early 80's has been constructed through donations or through the use of bonds which have to be repaid.  If anything should be named after Caperton it should be Marshall's stadium.  Caperton promised State money to build that stadium IF he was elected and he did in fact float a bond that was paid for by the taxpayers of W.Va....

[HerdChemist89]

in the process of being paid off with Athletic money and donations.  EVERYTHING WVU has built since the early 80's has been constructed through donations or through the use of bonds which have to be repaid.  If anything should be named after Caperton it should be Marshall's stadium.  Caperton promised State money to build that stadium IF he was elected and he did in fact float a bond that was paid for by the taxpayers of W.Va....

(bleep).

Dude I was THERE in Fairfield Stadium when Governor Arch Moore escorted our Homecoming Queen out onto the turf and the bond issue was announced for the building of (currently) Joan Edwards Stadium. It was 1986 or 1987, I think.

wvu's stadium was built with STATE FUNDS as well.

GO HERD

[dixie10]

Yeah, they built a 30000 seat stadium for us, they built a 60000 seat stadium, indoor practice field, and probably everything else for you "welfare whores."  And bill, you should check out who paid those bonds off, I bet it was the state. All I forgot, your morganhole university deserves it right?   :-?

[HerdZone]

in the process of being paid off with Athletic money and donations.  EVERYTHING WVU has built since the early 80's has been constructed through donations or through the use of bonds which have to be repaid. .

This is BS the bronds you are talking about are what kind of bonds State Bonds. Who pays those off, state tax payers. So if you are going to scream and hallar that the state tax paayers built JCE Stadium, then why can't I turn around and do the same.

And if you have reading comprehension EP thanked GP for paying for the practice field, which means it wasn't done with bonds nor donations.

“For years we realized we needed an indoor practice facility,” Pastilong said. “Former Gov. Caperton was sympathetic to our needs and enabled us with the financial assistance to carry out this project.”
Former Gov. Caperton is credited with upgrading West Virginia’s public school system and his “Five Year Plan,” which allotted a 3.25 percent increase for state colleges and universities.
The Gaston Caperton Indoor Practice Facility cost $6.3 million to construct

You don't name an IPF after someone for state bonds.........

[carolinaherdfan]

Bill in Huntington, you are not a stand up guy. You come on this board daily, and post an allegation. These allegations are challenged, or questioned, and you go on to the next day in an unassuming way, never supporting, or backing up anything you say. When can we expect you to start supporting some of your allegations. We have treated you in a much better fashion, then we would have ever been received, and treated, on another teams board, and have let your B/S slide. It is time to either put up, or shut up your B/S.

Carolina,

  :mad:

[81MU]

Need to sticky that article to the top of the Smack Board. I'm so sick of hearing the "but we're self-supporting" BS repeated like some Gregorian chant. I'm glad stories about the real funding of these facilities, maintenance of same, legal fees for BE-ACC, asbestos clean-up , rifle team money etc.,etc. keep surfacing and exposing this lie.  



"Caperton served as governor from 1989 to 1997 and helped secure state funding for the 75,000 square foot practice facility while in office. "


Pretty straight forward,this was a direct state subsidy not a bond issue.

[dixie10]

I wonder if some booster up in morganhole paid the old GOV a bride in order to secure the 3/4 mill. That may be why they are offering to name it after him. Dirty state, you never know what they are capable of???

[HerdZone]

Well ya know it did come out the Gov went both ways, maybe they offered more then money.

 :o

[carolinaherdfan]

We'll now I am starting to understand this self supporting B/S.

Carolina,

 :shock:

[carolinaherdfan]

You get 155 million, than all soda, "pop", money, plus all buildings, and stadiums paid for by the state, plus 1.2 million for a Fla. State game, plus we bailed out the rifle team, now we add an IPF, we get the money to you to join the B/E conference, you participate in the BCS monies, and yet, we don't care, and we are not jealous, we just don't want to hear the B/S, that we are self supporting. It is B/S, and if you can't figure that out you need to go to WVU.

Carolina,

  :P

[OhYeaahMU]

Bastards.  They're all bastards.


 :grin:

[Mako]

We have treated you in a much better fashion, then we would have ever been received, and treated, on another teams board, and have let your B/S slide.

You just have nicer mods on this board.  I'm a mod over on the HerdNation board and I'll admit flat out that I'm a Nazi when it comes to Chickeneers.  When I see their crap on the main board, their original post is likely to magically morph into a GOOOOOOOOOOOO HERD!!!!!!!!!!! in very large green letters.   8-)

[W0lfman]

I'm so sick of hearing the "but we're self-supporting" BS repeated like some Gregorian chant. I'm glad stories about the real funding of these facilities, maintenance of same, legal fees for BE-ACC, asbestos clean-up , rifle team money etc.,etc. keep surfacing and exposing this lie.

MU81 nails it!  

 :-D

[z13629]

Please excuse the jump to the regular board...

There are operating expenses and capital expenses.  An indoor practice facility is a capital expense.  Most businesses finance their capital projects, WVU is no different.  

Scholarships, travel, coaching salaries, etc. are operating expenses.  When WVU says it is self-supporting they mean they cover their operating expenses.  For example (and I think I remember this correctly), when a scholarship is given the athletic department reimburses the university the value of that schollie.  

Athletics is a department of the university, so of course the university is going to chip in for certain things, particularly extraordinary expenses like asbestos removal.  The university is a government owned entity so the government is going to chip in for certain things.  Same as at MU.  The difference is how much of the herd's athletic operating expenses are covered by the university?  I don't know but I'd bet scholarships are and maybe more.  At WVU, athletic operating expenses are paid by the athletic department, hence self-supporting.

It may be many things, but it isn't a lie.

[Anonymous]

Z, that was pretty stand up. The "Self-Supporting" claim then should be ammended to say "Self-Supporting except for Facilities." That would make that statement seem more beleivable. (honest post, not smack)

[gtrman4herd]

Athletics is a department of the university, so of course the university is going to chip in for certain things, particularly extraordinary expenses like asbestos removal. The university is a government owned entity so the government is going to chip in for certain things. Same as at MU.

Z, that was a very reasonable and good description and I fully understand about expensing certain capital expenditures. There are many WVU fans that have no grasp on this and toot the horn CONSTANTLY that "we are fully self supporting" blah blah blah WVU DOES use state money on athletics and thats undeniable, sure the operating expenses are self sustaining, but your operating expenses would be seriously hampered without certain capital improvements that do use state dollars, thus athletics are NOT totally self supporting.

Just for the record, MU had 750,000 of state funds in last years athletic budget of a 13,000,000 budget. Thats roughly 6-7% of the total budget. Not quite the welfare case that some WVU fans like to make us out to be either.

[greenskeeper]

I'm not so certain western even pays for their own salaries. Indeed they crow SS, but in reality are they? All their facilites have had state money supplied to them, the capital expenditures for the coliseum, stadium, IPF are all real. Still if we look at total state funding to western for things like research projects for say a study of the flora and fauna of richwood, they FAR exceed Marshall's funding. Almost 10 times the amount. So I guess one could argue, in total dollars from the state western really isn't self supporting in ANY way. Moreover the lower enrollement of actual instate students is appalling to someone whos' tax dollars should be used for the greater good of the state. I guess all said U of Va. Western is a real strain on the states economy, without really giving it any sort fo long tern fiscsal return.
Sad.

[z13629]

This is a pretty narrow minded post.  First of all, WVU's mission is education, not fiscal return.  They like MU, educate which propels the society forward.  Research is a cornerstone of academics and whose to say that a study of flora and fauna in Richwood wouldn't lead to a major breakthrough in something.  Do you really believe that major breakthroughs came from one single research project?  No, they are built upon hundreds if not thousands of small research projects like flora and fauna in Richwood.  

As for state funding, WVU has many more professional (doctoral) and therefore expensive degree tracts.  Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, Dental, Law, Engineering, tertiary care Medical School, etc.  It is expensive to provide these degrees which are critical to the state.

Who cares if out-of-state students go to WVU?  Are West Virginians being denied admission as a result?  In fact out-of-state students paying higher tuition help subsidize in-state kids.  Plus, WV needs all the help it can get attracting people to the state.  Most probably don't stay, but some do and help the state by applying their trade learned in college.  And as I understand it, WVU has more in-state students than MU anyway.  

I'm not sure what greater good your tax dollars could be used for, but do enlighten us.  I think the state gets a pretty good return on it's investment in WVU and the same for MU.

[carolinaherdfan]

If you would have posted this last year my response would have been much different. However, now the State of West Virginia, by their newly passed legislation, will in the future allow MU to do all of what you have posted that WVU participates in, my response can be one of conciliation. Forbidding MU, we, as an institution of higher learning, to have a law school, or grant doctoral degrees etc., was our primary objection. The State would not allow us to become this type of institution because of their partiallity to WVU until this years legislative session. Now the same latitude has been granted to Marshall University, as WVU has always enjoyed. The State of WV finally realized they were actually legislating in a counter productive manner, and rectified their stance. Now, hopefully MU, and WVU can both move forward, and both become greater institutions of higher learning.

Thanks for your post,

Carolina,

ps. you can post on other subjects at will, after all you are a member of our board.

[FiTreDawG]

Dead on Carolina.  WVU/Legislature has done everything in their power to prevent us from growing until this year.  I dont know what the change was, but it is huge for MU.