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Offline MU ATO

Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
« on: May 05, 2009, 12:14:08 PM »
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  • First I dont condone what they did.

    Stupid. Very Stupid.

    I also think Marijuana laws are just as stupid. Total waste of $$$ and total waste of time and energy. I have been reading comments from people on here, other Herd related boards, as well as other random message boards and some of the things that people say just baffle me when it comes to what they think weed does to a person....

    MARIJUANA MYTHS

    by Paul Hager

    Chair, ICLU Drug Task Force

    1. Marijuana causes brain damage
    The most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage is the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late 1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under the title, Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath's work was sharply criticized for its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys), its failure to control experimental bias, and the misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged". Actual studies of human populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana. That same year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That's not the sort of thing you'd expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain.

    2. Marijuana damages the reproductive system
    This claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel Nahas, who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri dishes, and the work of researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal amounts of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of marijuana). Nahas' generalizations from his petri dishes to human beings have been rejected by the scientific community as being invalid. In the case of the animal experiments, the animals that survived their ordeal returned to normal within 30 days of the end of the experiment. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system.

    3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug-it leads to hard drugs
    This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use-heroin and cocaine-have DECLINED substantially. If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not, found that where marijuana was more available-the states that had decriminalized-hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.

    4. Marijuana suppresses the immune system
    Like the studies claiming to show damage to the reproductive system, this myth is based on studies where animals were given extremely high-in many cases, near-lethal-doses of cannabinoids. These results have never been duplicated in human beings. Interestingly, two studies done in 1978 and one done in 1988 showed that hashish and marijuana may have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.

    5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco
    Smoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.

    6. Legal marijuana would cause carnage on the highways
    Although marijuana, when used to intoxication, does impair performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the effect of marijuana on the automobile accident rate suggest that it poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of fatal accident victims was studied, it was initially found that marijuana was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as alcohol. In other words, the number of accident victims intoxicated on marijuana relative to the number of marijuana users in society gave a ratio similar to that for accident victims intoxicated on alcohol relative to the total number of alcohol users. However, a closer examination of the victims revealed that around 85% of the people intoxicated on marijuana WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods. For example, an economic analysis of the effects of decriminalization on marijuana usage found that states that had reduced penalties for marijuana possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased. This would suggest that, far from causing "carnage", legal marijuana might actually save lives.

    7. Marijuana "flattens" human brainwaves
    This is an out-and-out lie perpetrated by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America. A few years ago, they ran a TV ad that purported to show, first, a normal human brainwave, and second, a flat brainwave from a 14-year-old "on marijuana". When researchers called up the TV networks to complain about this commercial, the Partnership had to pull it from the air. It seems that the Partnership faked the flat "marijuana brainwave". In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly INCREASING alpha wave activity. Alpha waves are associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.

    8. Marijuana is more potent today than in the past
    This myth is the result of bad data. The researchers who made the claim of increased potency used as their baseline the THC content of marijuana seized by police in the early 1970s. Poor storage of this marijuana in un-air conditioned evidence rooms caused it to deteriorate and decline in potency before any chemical assay was performed. Contemporaneous, independent assays of unseized "street" marijuana from the early 1970s showed a potency equivalent to that of modern "street" marijuana. Actually, the most potent form of this drug that was generally available was sold legally in the 1920s and 1930s by the pharmaceutical company Smith-Klein under the name, "American Cannabis".

    9. Marijuana impairs short-term memory
    This is true but misleading. Any impairment of short-term memory disappears when one is no longer under the influence of marijuana. Often, the short-term memory effect is paired with a reference to Dr. Heath's poor rhesus monkeys to imply that the condition is permanent.

    10. Marijuana lingers in the body like DDT
    This is also true but misleading. Cannabinoids are fat soluble as are innumerable nutrients and, yes, some poisons like DDT. For example, the essential nutrient, Vitamin A, is fat soluble but one never hears people who favor marijuana prohibition making this comparison.

    11. There are over a thousand chemicals in marijuana smoke
    Again, true but misleading. The 31 August 1990 issue of the magazine Science notes that of the over 800 volatile chemicals present in roasted COFFEE, only 21 have actually been tested on animals and 16 of these cause cancer in rodents. Yet, coffee remains legal and is generally considered fairly safe.

    12. No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose
    This is true. It was put in to see if you are paying attention. Animal tests have revealed that extremely high doses of cannabinoids are needed to have lethal effect. This has led scientists to conclude that the ratio of the amount of cannabinoids necessary to get a person intoxicated (i.e., stoned) relative to the amount necessary to kill them is 1 to 40,000. In other words, to overdose, you would have to consume 40,000 times as much marijuana as you needed to get stoned. In contrast, the ratio for alcohol varies between 1 to 4 and 1 to 10. It is easy to see how upwards of 5000 people die from alcohol overdoses every year and no one EVER dies of marijuana overdoses.

    WHAT IS THE ICLU DRUG TASK FORCE?
    The Indiana Civil Liberties Union (ICLU) Drug Task Force is involved in education and lobbying efforts directed toward reforming drug policy. Specifically, we support ACLU Policy Statement number 210 which calls for the legalization of marijuana. We also support an end to the drug war. In its place, we favor "harm reduction" strategies which treat drug abuse as what it is- a medical problem-rather than a criminal justice problem.

    The Drug Task Force also works to end urine and hair testing of workers by private industry. These kinds of tests violate worker privacy to no good purpose because they detect past use of certain drugs (mostly marijuana) while ignoring others (e.g., LSD) and cannot detect current impairment. In situations where public and worker safety is a legitimate concern, we advocate impairment testing devices which reliably detect degradation of performance without infringing upon worker privacy.

    For more information about the activities of the Drug Task Force, call the ICLU at (317) 635-4059 or call Paul Hager at (812) 333-1384 or e-mail to hagerp@cs.indiana.edu on the InterNet.

    SOURCES
    1) Marijuana and Health, Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, 1982. Note: the Committee on Substance Abuse and Habitual Behavior of the "Marijuana and Health" study had its part of the final report suppressed when it reviewed the evidence and recommended that possession of small amounts of marijuana should no longer be a crime (TIME magazine, July 19, 1982). The two JAMA studies are: Co, B.T., Goodwin, D.W., Gado, M., Mikhael, M., and Hill, S.Y.: "Absence of cerebral atrophy in chronic cannabis users", JAMA, 237:1229-1230, 1977; and, Kuehnle, J., Mendelson, J.H., Davis, K.R., and New, P.F.J.: "Computed tomographic examination of heavy marijuana smokers", JAMA, 237:1231-1232, 1977.
    2) See Marijuana and Health, ibid., for information on this research. See also, Marijuana Reconsidered (1978) by Dr. Lester Grinspoon.
    3) The Dutch experience is written up in "The Economics of Legalizing Drugs", by Richard J. Dennis, The Atlantic Monthly, Vol 266, No. 5, Nov 1990, p. 130. See "A Comparison of Marijuana Users and Non-users" by Norman Zinberg and Andrew Weil (1971) for the negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol. The 1993 Rand Corporation study is "The Effect of Marijuana Decriminalization on Hospital Emergency Room Episodes: 1975 - 1978" by Karyn E. Model.
    4) See a review of studies and their methodology in "Marijuana and Immunity", Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, Vol 20(1), Jan-Mar 1988. Studies showing stimulation of the immune system: Kaklamani, et al., "Hashish smoking and T-lymphocytes", 1978; Kalofoutis et al., "The significance of lymphocyte lipid changes after smoking hashish", 1978. The 1988 study: Wallace, J.M., Tashkin, D.P., Oishi, J.S., Barbers, R.G., "Peripheral Blood Lymphocyte Subpopulations and Mitogen Responsiveness in Tobacco and Marijuana Smokers", 1988, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid.
    5) The 90% figure comes from Health Consequences of Smoking:
    Nicotine Addiction, Surgeon General's Report, 1988. In Health magazine in an article entitled, "Hooked, Not Hooked" by Deborah Franklin (pp. 39-52), compares the addictives of various drugs and ranks marijuana below coffeine. For current information on cannabis drinks see Working Men and Ganja:
    Marijuana Use in Rural Jamaica by M. C. Dreher, Institute for the Study of Human Issues, 1982, ISBN 0-89727-025-8. For information on cannabis and actual cancer risk, see Marijuana and Health, ibid.
    6) For a survey of studies relating to cannabis and highway accidents see "Marijuana, Driving and Accident Safety", by Dale Gieringer, Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid. The effect of decriminalization on highway accidents is analyzed in "Do Youths Substitute Alcohol and Marijuana? Some Econometric Evidence" by Frank J. Chaloupka and Adit Laixuthai, Nov. 1992, University of Illinois at Chicago.
    7) For information about the Partnership ad, see Jack Herer's book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, 1990, p. 74. See also "Hard Sell in the Drug War", The Nation, March 9, 1992, by Cynthia Cotts, which reveals that the Partnership receives a large percentage of its advertizing budget from alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies and is thus disposed toward exaggerating the risks of marijuana while downplaying the risks of legal drugs. For information on memory and the alpha brainwave enhancement effect, see "Marijuana, Memory, and Perception", by R. L. Dornbush, M.D., M. Fink, M.D., and A. M. Freedman, M.D., presented at the 124th annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association, May 3-7, 1971.
    8) See "Cannabis 1988, Old Drug New Dangers, The Potency Question" by Tod H Mikuriya, M.D. and Michael Aldrich, Ph.D., Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, ibid.
    9) See Marijuana and Health, ibid. Also see "Marijuana, Memory, and Perception", ibid.
    10) The fat solubility of cannabinoids and certain vitamins is well known. See Marijuana and Health, ibid. For some information on vitamin A, see "The A Team" in Scientific American, Vol 264, No. 2, February 1991, p. 16.
    11) See "Too Many Rodent Carcinogens: Mitogenesis Increases Mutagenesis", Bruce N. Ames and Lois Swirsky Gold, Science, Vol 249, 31 August 1990, p. 971.
    12) Cannabis and alcohol toxicity is compared in Marijuana Reconsidered, ibid., p. 227. Yearly alcohol overdoses was taken from "Drug Prohibition in the United States: Costs, Consequences, and Alternatives" by Ethan A. Nadelmann, Science, Vol 245, 1 September 1989, p. 943.
     

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    Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
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    Offline catfanatic1979

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 12:17:52 PM »
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  • Can we please stop trying to make this a ridiculous debate about pot legalization and keep it down to what it is? Two MU players broke the law, end of story. No need for a political parade in the wrong forum.

    Offline Big Ol' Hillbilly

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    Offline goherd17

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    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 12:37:06 PM »
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  • Total waste of tax payer dollars.  People serving prison time for weed but can get drunk as a monkey.  Prison terms for weed cost us alot of money and alot of people spend along time in prison for this and you can molest or anything else and get out sooner.
     

    Offline luvherd

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    « Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 12:44:48 PM »
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  • Total waste of tax payer dollars.  People serving prison time for weed but can get drunk as a monkey.  Prison terms for weed cost us alot of money and alot of people spend along time in prison for this and you can molest or anything else and get out sooner.

    And if it was legal, we could earn tax revenue. Smoked the stuff when I was young but don't now. I know folks who are very good professionals who smoke the stuff. To me alcohol is a much bigger problem for society but is legal after prohibition. It all depends on moderation.
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    Offline banker

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
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  • So, MU ATO are you going to introduce your children to pot?  It appears from your post it is basically all fun with no consequences.
     

    Offline Big Ol' Hillbilly

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    Offline Slice11

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 01:06:43 PM »
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  • I smoked pot every day for 5 or 6 years and just recently quit.  Having said that, let me make this clear...I, Uh, well, %^&*, I forget.



    I have no problem with people smoking pot, but there are side affects.
     

    Offline Thunders

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  • I agree with ATO. I have known and still know very smart professionals who smoke weed. It is a waste of taxpayer dollars to put weed smokers in jail. Weed is no worse than alcohol and on many levels it is better than alcohol. I have never heard of someone who came home high on weed and beat up their wife and kids. You hear it all the time with alcohol. Everyone I have known to get high just gets chilled out and relaxes. I don't smoke it because of the field I am in but if I weren't in the medical field I would smoke it on a weekly basis. It is insane that people can go out and get drunk, die of alcohol intoxication, yet someone wants to smoke a joint and they go to jail for it or pay a hefty fine. Just ridiculous.

    As far as the players go, it is still illegal so if they wanted to smoke it they should have been smarter about how they did it. Go to your freakin room, go to a friends room to smoke. Don't do it at 2am in a double parked car. If people would just use their head they would be ok.
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    Offline CJHerdgrad

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 01:13:18 PM »
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  • Total waste of tax payer dollars.  People serving prison time for weed but can get drunk as a monkey.  Prison terms for weed cost us a lot of money and a lot of people spend along time in prison for this and you can molest or anything else and get out sooner.

    Good points, but we do a horrible job of enforcing alcohol laws, especially underage drinking and DUIs.  There is a feeling among members of the WV legislature and many court officials to take away any confinement provisions for a 1st offense DUI conviction...which is currently only 24 hours in jail in WV.  A lot of countries in western Europe provide for around a week in jail at a minimum for a first offense.

    Anyway, I would hate to totally legalize pot until we do a much better job at enforcing the alcohol laws, which as you and others have pointed out, it causes a lot more of society's problems than pot does.  

    Even if were to be "legalized", there would still be people growing pot illegally and possessing it illegally.  They would be a modern day version of moonshiners.  You'd still have the DEA and other local police arresting people for growing & possessing pot that didn't have a tax stamp.  The penalties would be about the same as they are today as the governments would want their cut like they get from alcohol & cigarettes.  In other words, we'd still be spending about the same amount of money fighting the possession of pot.  The fines & taxes collected might pay for some of that enforcement, but I doubt it would pay for all of it.
     

    Offline ought-three

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 01:20:21 PM »
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  •   The tax revenue thing has come up a couple of times in the MJ discussion. The government in general is wasteful with what we give them now, why would we want to give them another source of money to waste? Tax revenue from legal marijuana would be wasted just like revenue from alcohol and tobacco.

      This thread really doesn't belong on a football site, but most of what gets said on here is pure politics anyway, so why not?  ;D

    BTW -

    HUNTINGTON — Felony drug charges facing two Marshall University football players will be reduced to lesser charges, according to a defense attorney and the Cabell County Sheriff’s Office.

    Tailback Darius Marshall and defensive back DeQuan Starling, both 20, were arrested early Saturday in the 2100 block of 7th Avenue. Starling is listed as DeQuan Bembry on the team’s roster.

    Chief Sheriff’s Deputy Doug Ferguson said the felony drug trafficking charges will be reduced to misdemeanor simple possession.
     

    Offline Thunders

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 01:29:07 PM »
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  • Good points, but we do a horrible job of enforcing alcohol laws, especially underage drinking and DUIs.  There is a feeling among members of the WV legislature and many court officials to take away any confinement provisions for a 1st offense DUI conviction...which is currently only 24 hours in jail in WV.  A lot of countries in western Europe provide for around a week in jail at a minimum for a first offense.

    Anyway, I would hate to totally legalize pot until we do a much better job at enforcing the alcohol laws, which as you and others have pointed out, it causes a lot more of society's problems than pot does.  

    Even if were to be "legalized", there would still be people growing pot illegally and possessing it illegally.  They would be a modern day version of moonshiners.  You'd still have the DEA and other local police arresting people for growing & possessing pot that didn't have a tax stamp.  The penalties would be about the same as they are today as the governments would want their cut like they get from alcohol & cigarettes.  In other words, we'd still be spending about the same amount of money fighting the possession of pot.  The fines & taxes collected might pay for some of that enforcement, but I doubt it would pay for all of it.

    I see what you are saying but I would have to disagree about the problems you would have with people growing and selling it without being taxed. I think most people would just go to their nearest liquor store or whatever to buy their joints just like people buy their alcohol from the store now. If people want some weed to get high then they would just pick it up with their beer instead of trying to find someone who sells it for a couple bucks less. People are lazy by nature and most, I think, would just go out and buy it instead of tracking a dealer down. It would be much easier I think. Same with growing it. Sure I could grow my own but I would be too lazy to do so and would just want to go out and buy it already packaged for me. Not many of your users would take the time to figure out how to grow different types of weed. At least people wouldn't be getting shot and killed over it.
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    Offline ought-three

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 01:54:21 PM »
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  • Yeah, marijuana would eventually be packaged, commercialized, sensationalized, etc. just like alcohol and tobacco. Here's my one question:

    Minutes before President Obama addresses the U.N. would you rather he:

    A) Drink a beer
    B) Smoke a cigarette
    C) Smoke a joint

    Although I admit that C would make for interesting television, I think you see where i'm going with this...
     

    Offline Blade

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 02:28:20 PM »
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  • Although I admit that C would make for interesting television, I think you see where i'm going with this...

    No, I don't know where you're going with this.  I wouldn't want to see a President that is addressing the heads of state of over 100 countries take anything

    I've got one for you:

    You have to come to a sudden stop and just behind you there is a driver that

    a)  just had 2 beers (0.08)
    b) took 3 puffs off a joint (0.5 grams)
    c) is texting off their blackberry
    d) is reading a newspaper on the passenger seat

    In what order do you feel you have the best chance of that driver not rear ending you?

    Sometimes laws are skewed.
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    Offline Herd 90

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
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  • So, MU ATO are you going to introduce your children to pot?  It appears from your post it is basically all fun with no consequences.

    When mine is old enough, you can be sure we'll talk about it.  I'd rather him learn from me than some school kid or government propaganda film.
     

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    Offline ought-three

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  • No, I don't know where you're going with this.  I wouldn't want to see a President that is addressing the heads of state of over 100 countries take anything

    I've got one for you:

    You have to come to a sudden stop and just behind you there is a driver that

    a)  just had 2 beers (0.08)
    b) took 3 puffs off a joint (0.5 grams)
    c) is texting off their blackberry
    d) is reading a newspaper on the passenger seat

    In what order do you feel you have the best chance of that driver not rear ending you?

    Sometimes laws are skewed.

    Don't get me wrong, anything that takes your focus can cause you to wreck a car. And yes, the laws ARE skewed. A friend of mine ran her car off the road trying to get her cig lighter she dropped in the car. God made our bodies to breathe air, not smoke, and drink water or even "a little wine" (1 Tim. 5:23) but not alcohol in any kind of excess. We're mistreating our bodies with all of this stuff. In 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 i'm taught that I am temple for the Holy Spirit. I've slipped a few times and enjoyed a little too much "liquid refreshment", and I was never a better person for having done it. I'm not perfect, but i'm learning from experience that reading the Owner's Manual on this body of mine shows me how to properly take care of it. I could justify anything with the kind of moral relativism i've seen in relation to this incident, but i'm learning that it just doesn't make anything better. You may not agree, and that's fine, but i'm giving you a position from my experience. I'm not saying that people who smoke and drink are bad - that's not my job - but I want to say that it amazed me how much better I feel and perform in every facet of life since I cleaned up not only my habits, but diet. To me, it isn't whether it's legal or illegal - I really don't care - it's doing something you know is illegal. That's a much bigger problem, especially when so many people run to their defense in spite of committing crimes - felony, misdemeanor, whatever.
     

    Offline ichor

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    « Reply #17 on: May 06, 2009, 01:48:53 AM »
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  • Some dude (I think he lived under a bridge on Rt. 2) told me that:

    a/ He had drunk beer.
    b/ He had done drugs.

    But smokin' weed is more like drinking beer than doing drugs.
     

    Offline Blade

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #18 on: May 07, 2009, 08:30:46 AM »
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  • To me, it isn't whether it's legal or illegal - I really don't care - it's doing something you know is illegal. That's a much bigger problem, especially when so many people run to their defense in spite of committing crimes - felony, misdemeanor, whatever.

    I don't think anyone has said that they didn't break the law.  It's the differnce between a felony and jail time versus a fine.  Big difference, and if the two times in your life you erred (I've done so more substantially) you were locked up and discarded, I think your life would be quite different now.  Instead of preaching, you would probably be getting preached at.

    BTW, I don't disagree with your lifestyle and applaud your fortitude.  However, the Bible to me speaks more of moderation versus overindulgence.  You can drink (wine) but not be drunk.  You can eat but not glutton... Abstenance is pretty clear to me when the Bible speaks of pre-marital sex, homosexuality, eating non clove-footed animals, etc.  The "body is a temple" is left to interpretation.  Some believe it is unclean to take any medication and will die before they do so.  Others beleive they are doing the right thing only to find out 20 years later it was unhealthy.  (Eggs were good, then bad for you, now good again).

    Our faith and the law don't mix.  That's why Jesus spoke of separation between them.  This is about the law, not morality.  I'm certain that ALL of us have folks we emulate and folks we chastize, at one level or another.
     

    Offline MU ATO

    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 10:09:05 AM »
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  • So, MU ATO are you going to introduce your children to pot?  It appears from your post it is basically all fun with no consequences.

    My want for the legalization has nothing to do with wanting to sit around and do it myself, its for the $$$$$ aspect and the potential earnings that the country and each state could get from it.

    Not to mention the resources wasted could be used to fight real crimes.

     

    Offline MU ATO

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  • If you do some research you will all find that the U.S. made weed illegal based on false claims from big companies that were competing with the usefulness from the plant. Not just the smoking aspect but hemp seed oil, and other by products. They felt the heat from it and as usual government panders to the big business.

    Also, look up how much money California (I always say it like the Governator now...) made off of it in recent years, as well as the federal gov.
     

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    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 06:47:48 PM »
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  • If you do some research you will all find that the U.S. made weed illegal based on false claims from big companies that were competing with the usefulness from the plant. Not just the smoking aspect but hemp seed oil, and other by products. They felt the heat from it and as usual government panders to the big business.

    Also, look up how much money California (I always say it like the Governator now...) made off of it in recent years, as well as the federal gov.

    I dont think taxing it will bring in as much money as you think.  The govt will tax the hell out of it so there will be people still selling it illegally thus the govt wont be getting all the revenue.
     

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    Re: Some of you need to learn a few things about Marijuana...
    « Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 06:47:48 PM »