Topic: DAILY MAIL: MARSHALL FOOTBALL: Herd’s Grooms named in civil suit

[Johnnyherd]

I don't really like this article being in the sports section....It's a civil matter...Not a criminal one....

If they don't need to monitor player's civil problems like bills/judgments, divorces, insurance and other stuff...Do some reporting on the 2014 season or an opponent....

Go cover all the civil allegations against WVU players....

[goherd24]

I guess that answers my question.  It seems you would like to go back to the old "Eye for an eye.  Tooth for a tooth.". Somehow, I don't think you could get the defendant or even the victim to go along with that in this case.  Thank God.  I'm not attacking Christians.  Not at all.  I am one.  I am attacking stupidity.  But, apparently you couldn't comprehend that.

I believe in controlling your destiny. That pointing fingers and blaming others fr your situation, regardless of circumstance, is for cowards. You may be one, yes, but I believe any one of us is capable of making his or her own way in this country. Overcoming challenges makes it even more satisfying. This young man wasnt paralyzed or permanently disabled from what I understand, pick yourself back up and go. You cant lay down because life isnt fair or because some idiot does something stupid. All I see this being is some lawyer trying to get a few buvks by suing a couple people he alledges were responsiblr along with 3 people that are "John Does".

[jsbowen]

Who pays for this insurance? Grooms car insurance policy? Legitimately curious. Please explain how the system works, I was unaware of a random tax payer funded insurance pool of money. It didnt happen at his home, was in a car he may have not even had insured.

It would be auto insurance policies.  Whether there is coverage is a separate issue.  The insurance companies initially have a duty to defend this type of lawsuit.

Want to know the likely result?  It will settle, with the insurance footing the bill.  Grooms will have to find new insurance and pay increased premiums for awhile.  That's it.

For Grooms, this case is no big deal.  For the Plaintiff, it is likely a very big deal.

[herd1986]

First, really hard to prove Grooms was in the car that hit the kid, let alone driving, let alone driving under the influence.  Cops busted Grooms that night and had no evidence of him driving or they would have charged him.

Second, the guy filing the suit is far from a model citizen.  A guy busted for forgery is pretty easy to position as dishonest with a jury. He's lied to get money before.  Chances are he was drunk that night and if he's jaywalking drunk it's hard to hold a driver responsible for hitting him. When a person is hit by a car it's more often the pedestrian's fault.

I had a buddy hit and kill a woman on Old 52 in South Point years ago. It was rainy and a drunk woman ran out in the street going from one bar to another. He was never charged with anything.

It all depends on the rules broken by the driver and was the pedestrian inside the crosswalk, if there was one nearby.

[herd1986]

I believe in controlling your destiny. That pointing fingers and blaming others fr your situation, regardless of circumstance, is for cowards. You may be one, yes, but I believe any one of us is capable of making his or her own way in this country. Overcoming challenges makes it even more satisfying. This young man wasnt paralyzed or permanently disabled from what I understand, pick yourself back up and go. You cant lay down because life isnt fair or because some idiot does something stupid. All I see this being is some lawyer trying to get a few buvks by suing a couple people he alledges were responsiblr along with 3 people that are "John Does".

If a thief broke into your house in the dark of the night and took something as precious as your health from you, you would want that thief to be held accountable.   Like the cop on the beat, a civil lawsuit protects our community from those that would steal from us through their carelessness and recklessness.

[goherd24]

If a thief broke into your house in the dark of the night and took something as precious as your health from you, you would want that thief to be held accountable.   Like the cop on the beat, a civil lawsuit protects our community from those that would steal from us through their carelessness and recklessness.

I would hold that thief accountable if he broke into my housr, I keep a loaded 1911 .45 on my night stand, and an xd 9mm in my living room as well. That being said, if it did happen that I was injured, I would sally forth. Who is going to get sued? John Doe that broke in my house? Civil lawsuits do some good and justice, yes, however, it has become a cesspool of crooked lawyers and crooked people to rip off honest businesses and honest people

[herd1986]

Would you get rid of all law enforcement because their might be a few bad cops?  How would we protect our communities, our children, if you got rid of civil lawsuits?  Would you have a huge government safety committee?  Doesn't sound very efficient does it?  What would those thieves that would steal our health, our safety, our fortunes, our children's' futures do if they knew they could get away with it because we had no civil lawsuits?

[Greg H]

My $.02.  It's very important to have civil courts for many reasons.  One is to force people who injure others through negligence or intentional conduct to "make the injured party whole" as best as possible.  People have a right to not be harmed by their neighbor.

The problem is that the civil courts don't really do that.  The civil courts enable plaintiff's lawyers to extort vast sums of money from people and businesses by instilling fear of an irrational jury verdict.  As a result, these scumbag slip and fall lawyers chase people around looking for the slightest injury, find a sorry assed excuse to blame someone else for the injury and then threaten to "put 12 in the box" if the defendant (who MANY MANY times is completely innocent) doesn't pay up as the plaintiff's attorney demands.  There are good suits.  There are good plaintiff's lawyers (I suspect).  But most of both are pieces of crap.  They don't "protect people's rights," they violate people's rights by coercing settlements and judgments where they are WHOLLY inappropriate in many, many cases. 

I would know.  I defend suits like this on behalf of people and business who are subjected to this behavior.  I'm not saying this suit is crap...who knows.  None of us has enough information to say.  Im' just talking about lawyers and their extortion tactics.

[goherd24]

Would you get rid of all law enforcement because their might be a few bad cops?  How would we protect our communities, our children, if you got rid of civil lawsuits?  Would you have a huge government safety committee?  Doesn't sound very efficient does it?  What would those thieves that would steal our health, our safety, our fortunes, our children's' futures do if they knew they could get away with it because we had no civil lawsuits?

What are you talking about? Your comparisons are kind of extreme.... civil lawsuits dont protect our families. These people wont pay and dont learn anything from theae lawsuits. I sincerely doubt ANY criminal, ever thinks "man, I would steal that purse and punch that baby but they might sue me in a civil lawsuit". And how about the civil lawsuits where a home invader breaks in, and a homeowner defends his family and stabs or shoots, or kivks the guy down the steps.... then the criminal SUES the family for it?

[goherd24]

My $.02.  It's very important to have civil courts for many reasons.  One is to force people who injure others through negligence or intentional conduct to "make the injured party whole" as best as possible.  People have a right to not be harmed by their neighbor.

The problem is that the civil courts don't really do that.  The civil courts enable plaintiff's lawyers to extort vast sums of money from people and businesses by instilling fear of an irrational jury verdict.  As a result, these scumbag slip and fall lawyers chase people around looking for the slightest injury, find a sorry assed excuse to blame someone else for the injury and then threaten to "put 12 in the box" if the defendant (who MANY MANY times is completely innocent) doesn't pay up as the plaintiff's attorney demands.  There are good suits.  There are good plaintiff's lawyers (I suspect).  But most of both are pieces of crap.  They don't "protect people's rights," they violate people's rights by coercing settlements and judgments where they are WHOLLY inappropriate in many, many cases.  

I would know.  I defend suits like this on behalf of people and business who are subjected to this behavior.  I'm not saying this suit is crap...who knows.  None of us has enough information to say.  Im' just talking about lawyers and their extortion tactics.

Agreed 100% greg. Its the same as people saying the majority of people on disability and welfare would work if they could, blah blah blah. The majority abuse that system, by far. Way more shady and less scrupulous individuals out there than honest people.

[gochneaur645]

Agreed 100% greg. Its the same as people saying the majority of people on disability and welfare would work if they could, blah blah blah. The majority abuse that system, by far. Way more shady and scrupulous individuals out there than honest people.

Lol, I suppose you have stats on that?  That prove more than 50% of welfare and disability recipients abuse the system?  You might wanna also check the definition of scrupulous.

[gochneaur645]

What are you talking about? Your comparisons are kind of extreme.... civil lawsuits dont protect our families. These people wont pay and dont learn anything from theae lawsuits. I sincerely doubt ANY criminal, ever thinks "man, I would steal that purse and punch that baby but they might sue me in a civil lawsuit". And how about the civil lawsuits where a home invader breaks in, and a homeowner defends his family and stabs or shoots, or kivks the guy down the steps.... then the criminal SUES the family for it?

What if the family member is injured in that scenario?  They shouldn't have the right to sue the criminal because of a fear of outrageous lawsuits?

[goherd24]

Lol, I suppose you have stats on that?  That prove more than 50% of welfare and disability recipients abuse the system?  You might wanna also check the definition of scrupulous.

Ask around goch. Conduct a poll. They arent ashamed to tell you they make more sitting at home and would rather do that. We are so stupid as a country that we pay people to sit at home willingly. I am all for taking care of those who need it and want it to be temporary til they get back on their feet. But not for a career.

And sue the criminal for what? Again, you think that will magically lead to money falling out of the sky. And it doesnt work that way, countless stories of people suing thoae whose homes they have invaded for personal injury, loss of wages etc. Its not all, no. But again, corruption is running amok in that system.

[Johnnyherd]

Civil suits are just a systematic way for lawyers to extract money from a person, group, company, or government agency and become wealthy....

Civil lawyers are like parasites, when a tragedy or misfortune occurs, they attach to the victim and profit from the situation...

The richest people in WV are all lawyers....As far a businesses, law firms don't produce anything of value for anyone but themselves.  They don't contribute anything to society or their communities....They provide very few jobs...

But, they take from any person or company that they can successfully argue against....

[wasbarryb]

While reading this threat I’m concurrently listening to CNBC talking about the GM fines for not recalling the defective ignition switches. As part of the discussion they’ve pointed out that the government had hundreds of complaints they never investigated and it was an individual lawyer filing a civil suit that brought the whole problem to light. If it weren’t for the civil suit a lot of unsafe cars wouldn’t be recalled right now. And that means all of us would be a lot less safe.

[Johnnyherd]

With the system like it is now and the potential of losing billions from a lawsuit....Any company would be smart to stall for years and do every thing in their power to avoid admitting fault...

Once they admit fault, it's like opening up your check book...

[BHFIOHIO]

I sure liked it when it was used to bankrupt OJ.

[Johnnyherd]

I don't know if is true....But, I have seen articles and statements that OJ Simpson has never paid the Goldman's or the Browns, one penny....

They were about to seize some of the profits from his book, from what I gather....