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Offline goherd24

Need some smoking tips from the vets
« on: December 22, 2015, 01:09:22 PM »
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  • Just got my first smoker today. Smaller little propane powered one.

    Can you guys key me in on some tips/tricks, or good little recipes to get started? Thanks
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 01:30:17 PM »
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  • Get a good meat thermometer and cook slow and low.
    Maybe start with a pork shoulder. Hard to mess up. Get internal temp. up to 180 - 190 degrees.
    Any kind of rubs or sauces you use is up to you.
    Enjoy your new smoker! ;D
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 01:35:33 PM »
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  • Biggreenarms has a BBQ thread on The Tavern Off The Green with some good stuff on it.
     

    Offline morpheus

    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 02:07:40 PM »
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  • Big City and BGA are the Herdfans resident experts.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 06:31:20 PM »
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  • The only way to mess up is not to go low and slow. Don't let it get too hot and don't rush things.  Next watch BBQ by Franklin (Aaron) on you tube
     

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    « Reply #5 on: December 22, 2015, 07:28:01 PM »
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  • I would say ...roll em big
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #6 on: December 22, 2015, 07:29:55 PM »
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  • I'm no expert but pork ribs are pretty easy. I've bought them at a lot of places but Kroger's has best price for quality of meat you get on them. You can usually catch them on sale for $2.99 lb for the back loin ribs (baby backs) and they have fairly large portion of loin meat on the end of the rack. Don't worry about fat or shiny tendons on them, that will all render down and help tenderize and help moisten the meat over the cooking time. I pick over them or get the meat dept guys to go in the back and get at least 4 - 4.50 lb slabs. For the baby backs those will have a lot of meat on them and run you about $12-$13 a slab. These aren't the slabs you typically get at Damon's or Famous Dave's, these will each serve 2-3 guys.

    PREP - rinse them with water and pat dry with paper towel. Then remove the membrane on the back/underneath the ribs. There are plenty of you tube videos to show you how if you don't know. The easiest way is to use a spoon or butter knife and start at the tip end and take the spoon/knife and pry the membrane loose from the back side of the rib. Once you get it loose use a paper towel to grip it and rip it all the way down the rack until it's off. You need to remove membrane because no seasoning or smoke will penetrate it and if you leave it on it ends up tasting like like a crunchy paper bag.

    RUB - rub the rack down with either mustard or olive oil. This is just a base for the dry spice rub to stick to and it helps tenderize the meat. I'll leave it to someone else to chime in with dry rub recipes. I usually make a rub heavily based in sweet Hungarian paprika as the main ingredient. Or for your first time just use pre-made store bought rubs like Stubb's, Weber's, McCormick's, etc until you find what flavor profile you like. Once you find one just mirror the ingredients until it taste good to you. Unfortunately most brand name rubs give a few ingredients and then list the word "spices" which doesn't let you know exactly what they have in it, but it gives you a starting point. After you get the dry rub on I recommend letting them sit in the fridge for at least 8 hours to let the flavors permeate the meat. So you might want to do your prep the night before or the morning of.

    COOK - Get your heat to 200-225. I recommend getting a digital thermometer because temperature is important and the thermometers on most grills and smokers is useless. I have a 2 probe thermometer (1 for air temp and 1 for meat temp). With ribs the meat temp is not that important because they're technically done after the first hour but they don't get tender enough to eat for at least 4 hours on the smoker. I usually go 4-5 hours or 6-8 beers  ;)

    There's a bunch of different methods for cooking ribs. NEVER, EVER pre cook ribs in the oven or boil them. That's smokin' blasphemy. For the first time I would recommend cooking them unwrapped. Always cook them on indirect heat. I'm not sure what kind of smoker you have. If it's an offset box then everything is indirect. If it's heat on the bottom then you need to get the fire to one side and put your ribs on the other. Again not knowing the layout of your cooking surface you can either lay them flat, meat side up or buy a rib rack and stack them sideways. Either way will work fine.

    SMOKE -  Never use green wood. Also use chunks or logs and not "chips" as chips tend to burn up quick. If I use chips I mainly do it for finishing in the last 30-15 minutes. The wood does NOT need to be soaked or wet but does need to be seasoned (aged). You can use smoke any time but you want to avoid thick heavy white smoke. Since your cooking time is going to be at least 4 hours a little goes a long way. You can use smoke boxes, wrap wood chunks in foil or just throw logs directly on the fire. All will work fine to flavor the meat.

    Once you get the smoker up to temp, put the ribs on. Once they start cooking go mow the grass, drink some beer, wash your truck, walk the dog, drink some beer, ect until 3 - 3.5 hours have passed. Then you can spray them with apple juice if you want. Close the lid and let them go another 30 min and then mop them with whatever sauce you like. Close the lid for 30 more then they should be ready. You don't want to sauce them until the last 45-30 min so the sauce doesn't burn.

    Here's some of mine in the pics below. You'll know when they are ready to eat when you see the meat shrink back from the bones. Also, there are a bunch of cooking methods like wrapping in foil, using foil pans and using water that you can try that are listed at the link below. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

    http://amazingribs.com/table_of_contents.html











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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 07:57:53 PM »
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  • Smoking is bad, mmkay. You shouldn't smoke, mmkay.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #8 on: December 22, 2015, 08:37:36 PM »
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  • Smoking is bad, mmkay. You shouldn't smoke, mmkay.

    Why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam?!! I swear to God, one of these days, I…I…I just kick this piece of %^&* out the window!
     

    Offline goherd24

    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 09:15:34 PM »
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  • I'm no expert but pork ribs are pretty easy. I've bought them at a lot of places but Kroger's has best price for quality of meat you get on them. You can usually catch them on sale for $2.99 lb for the back loin ribs (baby backs) and they have fairly large portion of loin meat on the end of the rack. Don't worry about fat or shiny tendons on them, that will all render down and help tenderize and help moisten the meat over the cooking time. I pick over them or get the meat dept guys to go in the back and get at least 4 - 4.50 lb slabs. For the baby backs those will have a lot of meat on them and run you about $12-$13 a slab. These aren't the slabs you typically get at Damon's or Famous Dave's, these will each serve 2-3 guys.

    PREP - rinse them with water and pat dry with paper towel. Then remove the membrane on the back/underneath the ribs. There are plenty of you tube videos to show you how if you don't know. The easiest way is to use a spoon or butter knife and start at the tip end and take the spoon/knife and pry the membrane loose from the back side of the rib. Once you get it loose use a paper towel to grip it and rip it all the way down the rack until it's off. You need to remove membrane because no seasoning or smoke will penetrate it and if you leave it on it ends up tasting like like a crunchy paper bag.

    RUB - rub the rack down with either mustard or olive oil. This is just a base for the dry spice rub to stick to and it helps tenderize the meat. I'll leave it to someone else to chime in with dry rub recipes. I usually make a rub heavily based in sweet Hungarian paprika as the main ingredient. Or for your first time just use pre-made store bought rubs like Stubb's, Weber's, McCormick's, etc until you find what flavor profile you like. Once you find one just mirror the ingredients until it taste good to you. Unfortunately most brand name rubs give a few ingredients and then list the word "spices" which doesn't let you know exactly what they have in it, but it gives you a starting point. After you get the dry rub on I recommend letting them sit in the fridge for at least 8 hours to let the flavors permeate the meat. So you might want to do your prep the night before or the morning of.

    COOK - Get your heat to 200-225. I recommend getting a digital thermometer because temperature is important and the thermometers on most grills and smokers is useless. I have a 2 probe thermometer (1 for air temp and 1 for meat temp). With ribs the meat temp is not that important because they're technically done after the first hour but they don't get tender enough to eat for at least 4 hours on the smoker. I usually go 4-5 hours or 6-8 beers  ;)

    There's a bunch of different methods for cooking ribs. NEVER, EVER pre cook ribs in the oven or boil them. That's smokin' blasphemy. For the first time I would recommend cooking them unwrapped. Always cook them on indirect heat. I'm not sure what kind of smoker you have. If it's an offset box then everything is indirect. If it's heat on the bottom then you need to get the fire to one side and put your ribs on the other. Again not knowing the layout of your cooking surface you can either lay them flat, meat side up or buy a rib rack and stack them sideways. Either way will work fine.

    SMOKE -  Never use green wood. Also use chunks or logs and not "chips" as chips tend to burn up quick. If I use chips I mainly do it for finishing in the last 30-15 minutes. The wood does NOT need to be soaked or wet but does need to be seasoned (aged). You can use smoke any time but you want to avoid thick heavy white smoke. Since your cooking time is going to be at least 4 hours a little goes a long way. You can use smoke boxes, wrap wood chunks in foil or just throw logs directly on the fire. All will work fine to flavor the meat.

    Once you get the smoker up to temp, put the ribs on. Once they start cooking go mow the grass, drink some beer, wash your truck, walk the dog, drink some beer, ect until 3 - 3.5 hours have passed. Then you can spray them with apple juice if you want. Close the lid and let them go another 30 min and then mop them with whatever sauce you like. Close the lid for 30 more then they should be ready. You don't want to sauce them until the last 45-30 min so the sauce doesn't burn.

    Here's some of mine in the pics below. You'll know when they are ready to eat when you see the meat shrink back from the bones. Also, there are a bunch of cooking methods like wrapping in foil, using foil pans and using water that you can try that are listed at the link below. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

    http://amazingribs.com/table_of_contents.html













    This is awesome advice. Really appreciate it. Going to try to do my first batch in the next few days. As for the smoker, here is the link. I know its an el cheapo model, but wanted to go cheap to learn the basics before i go spend several hundred on one.

    So do you mix your rub into the mustard and slap it all over and let that sit overnight, then sauce them about 30 minutes prior to being done from what i understood. I did buy wood "chips". Where can i find what you were talking about that is better? Thanks so much. Really love smoked foods and this is going to change my life lol

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    Offline GoHerd2112

    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #10 on: December 23, 2015, 03:56:19 AM »
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  • No. Smear your ribs with straight mustard first. It acts as a binder for your rub to stick to your ribs.
    BGA and I use two different techniques as far as wrapping ribs. He wraps beforehand and I do this.
    I use a 2-1-1 technique.
    First 2 hours smoke.
    Then wrap in foil with squeeze butter, honey, and brown sugar for 1 hour.
    By now they should be pretty much done.
    Unwrap and put your sauce on (very low heat if they look done) for 1 hour.
    I look for the meat pulling back from the bone ends and the slab will be very flexible, almost ready to break when picked up with tongs, to know they're done.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #11 on: December 23, 2015, 10:59:48 AM »
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  • Get a good meat thermometer and cook slow and low.
    Maybe start with a pork shoulder. Hard to mess up. Get internal temp. up to 180 - 190 degrees.
    Any kind of rubs or sauces you use is up to you.
    Enjoy your new smoker! ;D

    http://www.cookshack.com/store/Smokin-Okies-101-Series/Pork-Butt-101

    a good write up on how to do shoulder (Boston butts) , biggest thing to remember is, when you check the temp, you will get to around 160 relatively quickly, and be temped to do something as you know this is suppose to take like 12 hrs.  When you hit 160 the temp will 'stall' there for hours as it making the pork more tender, yes in theory at 160 it is done, but it is not tender.  The stall can last several hours.  Just be patient.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 12:09:45 PM »
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  • http://www.cookshack.com/store/Smokin-Okies-101-Series/Pork-Butt-101

    a good write up on how to do shoulder (Boston butts) , biggest thing to remember is, when you check the temp, you will get to around 160 relatively quickly, and be temped to do something as you know this is suppose to take like 12 hrs.  When you hit 160 the temp will 'stall' there for hours as it making the pork more tender, yes in theory at 160 it is done, but it is not tender.  The stall can last several hours.  Just be patient.

    Yes sir, I have seen this to be true.
    At 160 they stall. The pork is safe to eat but not were you want tender.
    I've heard the experts say at 160 is when the fat starts to break down. Once you get it past 160 it will climb quickly.
    I wrap shoulders too. Usually at about 3 hours.
    Another tip we just figured out, if you get a 10 lb. shoulder cut it in half before cooking. Easier to cook 2 - 5 pounders than 1 - 10.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #13 on: December 23, 2015, 02:12:06 PM »
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  • When I was able to use my el-cheapo smoker, I never bought smoking wood. I just used chunks of water oak & hickory that I had 'harvested' while cutting firewood. If you our one of your friends have a wood-burning FP or stove, ask them for a couple of seasoned split logs & then cut them into chunks...I like to smoke pork with an oak/hickory mixture.
    In memory of Dr Daniel P Babb who taught so much to so many.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #14 on: December 23, 2015, 06:24:01 PM »
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  • I am excited to get started. Just threw some chicken strips in there tonight to smoke something. Had trouble getting the temp right in them, granted i have a terrible analog thermometer probe.

    They tasted good, but not really liking the Alder wood i used. I prefer a much stronger smoke flavor. I hear hickory is the way to go? What about like a half cherry and half hickory mix, does it really effect the flavor much?

    For smoking a turkey, does the mustard method apply? How about a ham?
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #15 on: December 23, 2015, 07:55:02 PM »
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  • I am excited to get started. Just threw some chicken strips in there tonight to smoke something. Had trouble getting the temp right in them, granted i have a terrible analog thermometer probe.

    They tasted good, but not really liking the Alder wood i used. I prefer a much stronger smoke flavor. I hear hickory is the way to go? What about like a half cherry and half hickory mix, does it really effect the flavor much?

    For smoking a turkey, does the mustard method apply? How about a ham?

    I never used cherry so a I cannot comment on cherry. You gotta be careful with hickory with chicken & to some extent with pork. Hickory imparts a fairly strong flavor. Are you talking about a 'fresh' ham, i.e. one that's not already been cured one way or the other? If so, just follow the same methods as smoking a shoulder. When I do chicken I use hickory for only the last part of the cook.

    I would hold off on smoking a turkey until you get more experience.

    BTW: You can experiment a little before tackling a turkey by smoking 1 or 2 cheap chicken fryers. The beer or coke can method works pretty well, but I prefer stuffing the cavity with whatever moist fruit or veg I have available...mild onion, an apple, some lemon or lime, carrots, etc. You can do 2 at a time.
    In memory of Dr Daniel P Babb who taught so much to so many.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #16 on: December 24, 2015, 04:21:06 AM »
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  • I never used cherry so a I cannot comment on cherry. You gotta be careful with hickory with chicken & to some extent with pork. Hickory imparts a fairly strong flavor. Are you talking about a 'fresh' ham, i.e. one that's not already been cured one way or the other? If so, just follow the same methods as smoking a shoulder. When I do chicken I use hickory for only the last part of the cook.

    I would hold off on smoking a turkey until you get more experience.

    BTW: You can experiment a little before tackling a turkey by smoking 1 or 2 cheap chicken fryers. The beer or coke can method works pretty well, but I prefer stuffing the cavity with whatever moist fruit or veg I have available...mild onion, an apple, some lemon or lime, carrots,
    etc. You can do 2 at a time.

    Dittos to all the above.
    Hickory and oak can leave a very strong flavor. Made some ribs one time with to much oak and they kind of tasted like an ashtray! ;D I like cherry. Much milder flavor. Meant to mention to you when have your meat wrapped as I've mentioned before no need to worry about smoke. Just keep your temp. up.
    Smoking birds I use olive oil as a binder but you don't want to use your pork rub. Have had good results with Stubbs chicken rub. And will stuff it with quartered sweet onion. Will also make some small cuts in the breast and stick a peeled clove of garlic into the cut.
    A fresh ham is going to turn out like a pork roast for you. Do think I would do much to a cured ham but heat it up with some smoke and glaze it.
    Good to hear you got you a fire going in your new smoker.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #17 on: December 24, 2015, 06:25:39 AM »
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  • Temp always plays an important role in how tender your choice of meat turns out but with poultry it's particularly important for food safety. With beef and pork you are cooking them so long there's not much worry about it not being done enough where it's safe to eat but always check the temps.

    Not the case with poultry. Birds have a much shorter cooking time and if you're doing whole birds or different cuts of the same bird they all cook to different temps before they are ready to eat. Also, you probably already know this but I'm going to mention it anyway because I still see this occur, never use the marinade that raw meat sat in to baste your finished meat. And never use the same utensils sitting in that raw marinade to handle cooked meat.

    Be sure you get a digital meat thermometer and no what temp your meat needs to be before you serve it. Birds are tricky because they don't need a long cooking time they continue to cook (carry over) once you pull them off and they rest. Whatever you cook I recommend you always let the meat rest 10 - 30 minutes before serving. With most anything I cook once I pull it off I wrap it in foils. This will help keep it as juicy as possible.

    Here's a link that should help with temps. It may look confusing at first but the more you use your smoker you'll know how long things should cook but you'll still need to check the temps.



    http://whatscookingamerica.net/Information/MeatTemperatureChart.htm

     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #18 on: December 26, 2015, 09:53:39 AM »
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  • Okay, an update.

    I did a turkey and a ham yesterday. Both with hickory. I love a really strong smoke flavor, and i cut the ham a bit to let it penetrate better, experimented with that a bit on different parts. I cut a diamond pattern in the top and glazed it with a brown sugar and honey mix, and man, it was delicious. My wife thought the smoke was too strong but everyone else loved it. We had a baked ham and a smoked one snd the smoked one was gone and the baked barely touched so that was a good sign. I look forward to learning some more ham recipes a d getting better, but success.

    The Turkey was a battle. We had a cheap thermometer and it wouldn't go past 140. I was really worried about it not being done, so after almost 5 hours on the smoker (just a 6lb turkey breast) i couldnt tell if it was 165 so i finished it in the oven at 400 degrees for about 45 minutes just to be safe (thermometer never went over 140, confirmed it was busted, need a new one and looking for suggestions on one i can keep in the smoker the whole time).

    The turkey was slightly overcooked, but not quite dry, bor was it really moist, so i got lucky basically. The flavor was amazing and it too eas eaten up quick. I stuffed it with onions and apples, etc. Even thougg this turned out really good, it was lucky and was almost bad.

    Will be trying my first ribs soon.

    Thank you all for the ongoing advice. It really helps. And i hope everyone had a merry christmas
     

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    « Reply #19 on: December 26, 2015, 10:19:05 AM »
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  • Turkeys (breasts or whole) are tricky. I've smoked more drumsticks for my daughters & me than breasts or whole turkeys. The drumstick is our favorite part anyway.
    In memory of Dr Daniel P Babb who taught so much to so many.
     

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    Re: Need some smoking tips from the vets
    « Reply #20 on: December 26, 2015, 05:08:50 PM »
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  • Think I suggested getting you a "good" meat thermometer pretty early in this thread.  ;)
    Glad you enjoyed your ham and turkey. However finishing in the oven is cheating!
    But don't worry, I've had to do it several times myself. ;)
    Best to do that that eat it below safe temp.
     

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