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Offline HoPPy785

RPI dead... Long live NET
« on: August 22, 2018, 03:46:56 PM »
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  • No more RPI for college basketball. Replaced with new machine learning predictive system called NET. Will this help, hurt or keep things the same for mid majors?

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-ncaa-tournament-committee-will-select-and-seed-teams-using-a-new-ranking-system-after-killing-the-rpi/ 
     

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    RPI dead... Long live NET
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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #1 on: August 22, 2018, 05:22:43 PM »
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  • I honestly do not see how this is going to be good for the college game... Teams will be running up the scores anytime they get. 

    According to the NCAA, the NET will rely on:

    Game results
    Strength of schedule
    Game location
    Scoring margin
    Net offensive and defensive efficiency,
    Quality of wins and losses
     

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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #2 on: August 22, 2018, 05:27:17 PM »
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  • I honestly do not see how this is going to be good for the college game... Teams will be running up the scores anytime they get. 

    According to the NCAA, the NET will rely on:

    Game results
    Strength of schedule
    Game location
    Scoring margin
    Net offensive and defensive efficiency,
    Quality of wins and losses

    Either you didn't read the article or you missed this:
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    As for scoring margin, it now matters -- to a certain point. The NET puts a cap on margin of victory/defeat at 10 points "to prevent rankings from encouraging unsportsmanlike play, such as needlessly running up the score in a game where the outcome was certain."


    Running up scores will be more a function of a-hole coaches than trying to game the ranking.
     

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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #3 on: August 22, 2018, 05:31:08 PM »
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  • You can bet your last dollar it will favor P5 schools and hurt G5 schools. The NCAA is all about money. P5 schools bring in the eyeballs and that makes tha cash register ring. Oh, they will play up a mid major during the tournament....but they really want the name schools.
     
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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #4 on: August 22, 2018, 07:36:30 PM »
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  • Well the committee has always ignored even the mid-majors with fantastic RPI's so I'm sure they'll find a way to ignore the mid-majors who rank highly by this metric.
     

    Offline jocktalker

    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #5 on: August 22, 2018, 09:43:17 PM »
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  • That ship has sailed. When the P5 schools asked for and received auronomy, the mid-majors basically kept the right to call themseves Division I in name only. P5 schools got the bowls they wanted, the lion's share of TV money and they basically run the NCAA basketball tournament.

    The G5 would be better off breaking away and making decisions that are important to them.
     

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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 09:52:01 PM »
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  • ...just win baby!!!!!!…...that will take care of our business.
     

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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 08:45:50 AM »
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  • Either you didn't read the article or you missed this:

    Running up scores will be more a function of a-hole coaches than trying to game the ranking.

    You sir would be correct... I was glancing over it while on a conference call yesterday and didn't read the entire article... I stand corrected.
     
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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #8 on: August 23, 2018, 08:59:12 AM »
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  • I honestly do not see how this is going to be good for the college game... Teams will be running up the scores anytime they get. 

    According to the NCAA, the NET will rely on:

    Game results
    Strength of schedule
    Game location
    Scoring margin
    Net offensive and defensive efficiency,
    Quality of wins and losses
    I read that the scoring margin will max out points at a certain lever to avoid running up scores.
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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #9 on: August 23, 2018, 11:28:14 AM »
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  • RIP RPI
     
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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #10 on: August 23, 2018, 12:08:48 PM »
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  • At least they named it net and not skynet, we all know how that turns out.
     

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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #11 on: August 23, 2018, 01:06:50 PM »
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  • You can bet your last dollar it will favor P5 schools and hurt G5 schools. The NCAA is all about money. P5 schools bring in the eyeballs and that makes tha cash register ring. Oh, they will play up a mid major during the tournament....but they really want the name schools.

    Would that be anything like betting one's "bottom dollar" ? Aussie Paul Kelly's band had an old song about this in the 80's and the lyrics were, uh, maybe a bit sordid.  :-[
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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #12 on: August 23, 2018, 02:24:15 PM »
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  • So all the quadrant one stuff was just for last season? Is all of that out the window now?
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    Offline MUther

    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #13 on: August 24, 2018, 04:02:03 AM »
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  • The ONLY way this helps us is if they use this season to fine tune it and then drop the committee completely.  Take the gd P5 bias out of the system other than what's surely programmed into the algorithm.
     

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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #14 on: August 24, 2018, 03:41:34 PM »
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  • I wonder how this affects C-USA's new scheduling strategy?

    When the fellow from the conference explained it, my first thought was the NCAA would find a way to neutralize it.

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    Offline herdorbust

    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #15 on: August 24, 2018, 04:14:21 PM »
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  • I wonder how this affects C-USA's new scheduling strategy?

    When the fellow from the conference explained it, my first thought was the NCAA would find a way to neutralize it.

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    The new schedule format should still help us. You always want to play the best teams and that is what the quads does.
     

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    Re: RPI dead... Long live NET
    « Reply #15 on: August 24, 2018, 04:14:21 PM »