Topic: What we know after.... Today,.....

[goherd24]

One of the most crushing Saturday's in recent memory today. Football has a chance to get a signature win and perhaps salvage a season in the eyes of many. This win DID matter, and No, a shitty bowl game doesn't matter, especially without this win. Doc had a chance to prove he can win, and failed. We made Vtech look like a playoff contender today. Stupid, decisions like the pooch kick, giving up before half, terrible playcalling by Cramsey, not taking advantage of 1 on 1s and soft corner coverage. We were as unprepared to play today, as i have ever seen us. There are no excuses. This will only get worse next season. We lose most of our team, have no QB, and Doc will go ahead and finish off all passion for herd football. The ONLY thing i see that will fix this, is his resignation, and allow someone to reignite the fan passion. Everyone with a brain knows that Doc can't get it done here now. And it seems my initial fears on Cramsey may be true, he has sucked at now both D1 football stops he has made. I think he is suited more at a lower level of football. Doc went out and either found as close a version as Legg as he could, or has forcefully made him like Legg through tyranny.

Also on this glorious day, our basketball team lost to Ohio. Which isn't a bad loss on the surface, OU usually has a solid basketball team. But its the way we lost that is the concern. No defense, and no rebounding. As I said, our team is good enough, to overcome maybe even getting outrebounded 9-12 or so in a very close game if we shoot well. But you get above that, and certainly to -20 etc, then you're going to lose. Rebounding is our #1 issue, with interior defense #2. Way too many consistent easy layups. Combined with the Maryland loss, the alarm bells are about to go off on what obviously many of us thought was going to be a very special season. It is important to note that it is still early, and Dan has given us NO REASON not to trust him in getting better as the year goes on, and our losses this season are far better than early last season. Its important to also understand that losses to Duquesne, and Virginia, A&M etc on the road don't spell doom either. It'll be nice to pick up a couple wins, but officiating is an issue at those places on the road, and if we are competitive, at least, its not the end of the world. We have a Maryland Esque type meltdown again and its time for heavy criticism of what would be a mentally weak team that isn't prepared.

Summary. Football is dead and only a resignation will renew my season tickets and Big Green donation, and I also believe thats the only thing that'll put more than 14-15k in the Joan other than maybe 18-20k for the opener next year. Doc will quickly squander the hopes of a decent season before conference play even begins if he is still here. Next season is probably a write off rebuild with a new coach, but giving one time to build the new program in a write off year is better than Doc ruining another season and killing the last 25% of the fanbase.

Basketball is still OK. I trust Dan will continue to make us better, and i believe we will compete in the conference as well. Patience and trust in the guy that got us to the tourney, for the first time in 30 years and our first ever win, thats improved every year he has been here, is not unreasonable. Questioning him and his system at this early juncture is unreasonable. And let's be honest, a cusa tourney win is really the only way into the tourney anyway for us in CUSA.

[coalherd]

What we know, as of 12/1/18, in season 2018-19, is that against teams of comparable talent and coaching, we struggle; and against teams with better, or MUCH better, talent and coaching, WE SUCK! . . . . . . . . . IN BOTH SPORTS!!!!!!!!

[marshallz13]

It's honestly tough to watch. I barely pay attention to our football games anymore. Contemplating if I should even spend the time with the highlight videos anymore. Apathy is here for me.

[GreenWhite]

I can't comment on the football game, since I was travelling to Athens at the time. But, I can for basketball and what I saw yesterday was very disturbing and coach addressed it in the postgame interview. We spent too much time trying to do fancy crap during warmups instead of taking free throws and shooting seriously. Coach mentioned all the dunking and not working on the fundamentals. He even said to Charlie and Dave that he told Kinsey he needed to work more on his shooting than dunking. I saw a Marshall team not take Ohio seriously and, when they came out in the second half warmups, looked like they were willing to just go ahead and roll over. Even the Marshall fan in front of me noticed their body language. Elmore and Burks need to put the NBA out of their minds and Kinsey needs to stop worrying about highlight reels and they need to lock down. Byers needs to work on the shot that I've read about that is so pretty. Sustic, right now, is not productive. Bennett needs to come off the bench until the weight is down and he can be more than just a big body clogging up the lane. George needs to start and Watson needs more time. West is also a liability until he gets some offensive production going. We cannot have two positions not producing points. We have to at least have four starting positions producing points. I hops Danny makes them watch the film of this game like he did the Maryland game, maybe even twice.

Now, on to the defense. Ohio was constantly blowing past our guards for easy layups. I know the scouting report showed they were not a good 3 point shooting team but when they hit the first couple, adjustments needed to be made. Instead, just like our football team, no adjustments were made. We kept leaving them open for three and they kept draining them. We had nobody there for defensive rebounds and we just looked downright awful on that end. Again, I hope Danny makes them watch the film of this game twice. Overall, a very disappointing showing yesterday in Athens.

[Herdiowa]

We were unprepared for the VT game because Doc was throwing temper tantrum that he couldn’t be out recruiting. The only bad thing about Doc resigning is Hamrick would pick his successor which is likely to be a crap shoot.

[GreenWhite]

Football will still play in a meaningless bowl game and the basketball team looks very average. That is what I know after today. Hoping the basketball analogy can change as the season goes on.

[THECHAMPISHERE]

One of the most crushing Saturday's in recent memory today. Football has a chance to get a signature win and perhaps salvage a season in the eyes of many. This win DID matter, and No, a %^&*ty bowl game doesn't matter, especially without this win. Doc had a chance to prove he can win, and failed. We made Vtech look like a playoff contender today. Stupid, decisions like the pooch kick, giving up before half, terrible playcalling by Cramsey, not taking advantage of 1 on 1s and soft corner coverage. We were as unprepared to play today, as i have ever seen us. There are no excuses. This will only get worse next season. We lose most of our team, have no QB, and Doc will go ahead and finish off all passion for herd football. The ONLY thing i see that will fix this, is his resignation, and allow someone to reignite the fan passion. Everyone with a brain knows that Doc can't get it done here now. And it seems my initial fears on Cramsey may be true, he has sucked at now both D1 football stops he has made. I think he is suited more at a lower level of football. Doc went out and either found as close a version as Legg as he could, or has forcefully made him like Legg through tyranny.

Also on this glorious day, our basketball team lost to Ohio. Which isn't a bad loss on the surface, OU usually has a solid basketball team. But its the way we lost that is the concern. No defense, and no rebounding. As I said, our team is good enough, to overcome maybe even getting outrebounded 9-12 or so in a very close game if we shoot well. But you get above that, and certainly to -20 etc, then you're going to lose. Rebounding is our #1 issue, with interior defense #2. Way too many consistent easy layups. Combined with the Maryland loss, the alarm bells are about to go off on what obviously many of us thought was going to be a very special season. It is important to note that it is still early, and Dan has given us NO REASON not to trust him in getting better as the year goes on, and our losses this season are far better than early last season. Its important to also understand that losses to Duquesne, and Virginia, A&M etc on the road don't spell doom either. It'll be nice to pick up a couple wins, but officiating is an issue at those places on the road, and if we are competitive, at least, its not the end of the world. We have a Maryland Esque type meltdown again and its time for heavy criticism of what would be a mentally weak team that isn't prepared.

Summary. Football is dead and only a resignation will renew my season tickets and Big Green donation, and I also believe thats the only thing that'll put more than 14-15k in the Joan other than maybe 18-20k for the opener next year. Doc will quickly squander the hopes of a decent season before conference play even begins if he is still here. Next season is probably a write off rebuild with a new coach, but giving one time to build the new program in a write off year is better than Doc ruining another season and killing the last 25% of the fanbase.

Basketball is still OK. I trust Dan will continue to make us better, and i believe we will compete in the conference as well. Patience and trust in the guy that got us to the tourney, for the first time in 30 years and our first ever win, thats improved every year he has been here, is not unreasonable. Questioning him and his system at this early juncture is unreasonable. And let's be honest, a cusa tourney win is really the only way into the tourney anyway for us in CUSA.

Spot on assessment. Your feelings are felt by many...trust me.

[THECHAMPISHERE]

One good thing about basketball is, our B'ball teams are built for March...not necessarily Nov./Early Dec. 

[svherd]

Problem with B’ball is, unless our big men take huge leaps between now and March, we won’t sniff the tourney finals. Teams will take away Elmore and Burks and make us beat them with others. This is not to slam our players more the coaches for not going out and getting a solid big before Penava even announced his exit.

[goherd24]

Problem with B’ball is, unless our big men take huge leaps between now and March, we won’t sniff the tourney finals. Teams will take away Elmore and Burks and make us beat them with others. This is not to slam our players more the coaches for not going out and getting a solid big before Penava even announced his exit.

I'm not so sure about that. Our conference is not very good this season, contrary to preseason sunshine pumping.

[bighat]

The true fans will be here supporting both teams so we can get better not downing them and withholding our support to the detriment of the athletic department.  I am sure every good conference out there wants a team with no fan support and a very low athletic budget, that is so attractive to big conferences.

[Herd-nficent]

I agree with the "showboat" warmups.  I've said it before  "practice what you will use in the game" as per my Jr. High coach told us.

[Herdmeister]

I agree with the "showboat" warmups.  I've said it before  "practice what you will use in the game" as per my Jr. High coach told us.

Dunks, however, are a very big part of our game. We practice alley oops everyday in practice and use them on the back door frequently.

[MicDrass1]

Football - stuck and about to spiral downwards again
Basketball - up ncaa tourney win but might dip
Tennis - down - but could ascend
Baseball - stuck / tough situation
Softball - down
Vball - down
Xc - stuck
Track - stuck
Swimming - stuck
W soccer - down
M soccer - trending up / nice D2 hire

Facilities / good
Each job / good
Situations / all should be winning except baseball
Why - facilities / NQ system adv / easy conference
Excuses for not winning - none but baseball
How to fix - coach, recruit and develop better

Leftwich ........ Leftwich!!! For 1.2 million.  He  Ignites the fanbase and brings back the energy to the Joan and ADept.  Football alums rejoice!!!  Current players get juiced!!! Pro prospects return in abundance!!!! Finally we did it right again!! Hamrick cements his legacy as a good AD!!!

[svherd]

I'm not so sure about that. Our conference is not very good this season, contrary to preseason sunshine pumping.

Both ODU and WKU have big men that are better than ours. Unless we shoot well every game, we can be whipped by anyone in the league. Teams will not make it easy on us.