Topic: Herd Fans ...

[herd2win]

First...I want to call a truce between the Dan fan club and the Doc supporters.  I was determined not to get caught up in this debate again this year but when the Basketball first guys made negative comments when our head coach was nominated for coach of the year it pulled me in to the negative.

We have enough forces against us so I hope we all can be Herd Fans first and root for all MU teams to win and not gloat when one of our own loses.

[wasbarryb]

I am glad our basketball team doesn’t lose at home to a team with a RPI 160+ and is a middle of the pack MAC team.

I called you a hypocrite when you first posted this, and you haven’t changed a bit in the last two hours.

[herd2win]

I called you a hypocrite when you first posted this, and you haven’t changed a bit in the last two hours.

Might want to try reading comprehension.  I acknowledged I was critical of basketball losing and stated that we should all be Herd fans and not go negative or have the I told you so attitude when a team loses.

[herdfan129]

I honestly don't think any of these guys are "basketball first". I think all of us love Marshall in general. The difference is, some of us are sick and tired of a terrible head coach leading our football team. Then there are people like you who continuously try to pump sunshine up our ass when Doc once against rips defeat from the jaws of victory.

Some of you are content with being mediocre while the rest of us are demanding better.

[herd2win]

I honestly don't think any of these guys are "basketball first". I think all of us love Marshall in general. The difference is, some of us are sick and tired of a terrible head coach leading our football team. Then there are people like you who continuously try to pump sunshine up our ass when Doc once against rips defeat from the jaws of victory.

Some of you are content with being mediocre while the rest of us are demanding better.

Why not then demand better from basketball?  Dan has been head coach for 7 years and has the same amount of conference championships as Doc and his overall record is not any better than Docs?  I have posted the stats on each last year and they pretty much mirror.  That is the issue, you give a pass to Dan but crucify Doc.  They have the same performance just different personalities.

[wasbarryb]

Might want to try reading comprehension.  I acknowledged I was critical of basketball losing and stated that we should all be Herd fans and not go negative or have the I told you so attitude when a team loses.

I think my comprehension skills are adequate.

When you wrote:

Our facilities in football were tops when we were 1-AA and at the start of the MAC... that is no longer the case.  Have you seen the stadiums and facilities at other teams?  We are not better as the Joan is 30 years old now and needs upgrades.  Henderson Center has had new locker rooms and scoreboard in recent years.

You guys have fallen into the wo (SIC) is me that Danny tries to convey.  Our arena is in line with what the Joan is to the rest of the conference.

I comprehended you were completely misstating the truth. That’s why I wrote

Trying to win an argument with half truths may work when you’re dealing with the uninformed, but you’re on Herdfans buddy.

Yes, Henderson center has had a new scoreboard and locker room in recent years, but as I recall Vinny put in new locker rooms at the Joan and IMG gave the Joan new boards.  Meanwhile Doc is signing new players today while DD has been told, he can’t sign new players unless he pitches returning players.  Doc is making much more relative to the going salaries than DD is, and DD has contributed cash to his program, has Doc?

Docsuckers trying to say BBall is treated fairly in comparison to football are people showing they love Doc rather than they love Marshall.

You are the guy coming on here labeling people who love Marshall as the Dan fan club and Doc haters, when what they hate is losing.  You’re the guy who picks fights with people expressing their honest opinion about the very poor state of the football program, then tries to make himself out as the poor picked on victim when he gets his @ss kicked by multiple posters. Your problem isn’t with people going negative, it’s with people not recognizing your delusion that anyone who disagrees with you has to accept he is wrong per se.  This is an opinion board, we all have a right to express ourselves, you just aren’t man enough to handle that people here don’t have to cater to you.

You want people to stop fighting among themselves on the board?  Then stop picking fights and trying to correct people for expressing their honest opinions.  Comprehendee?

[herdorbust]

Danny does deserve questions after a game like tonight. That was a pitiful display of basketball and coaching. But it doesn’t change the fact Doc is a pathetic coach and hard for anyone to  get behind the way he runs a program. Again, I don’t like anything about the guy and I don’t care who knows it. And I will be a basketball first guy until he is gone and we get change whether it’s good or bad.

[DC01HERD]

Dan had his 6th season cut short. They were playing well and were on the verge of making a run.

[Herdmeister]

I honestly don't think any of these guys are "basketball first". I think all of us love Marshall in general. The difference is, some of us are sick and tired of a terrible head coach leading our football team. Then there are people like you who continuously try to pump sunshine up our ass when Doc once against rips defeat from the jaws of victory.

Some of you are content with being mediocre while the rest of us are demanding better.

Exactly. Is basketball  my favorite sport? Yes. But for 8 years I did not miss a Marshall football game at home or away. Tell me I don't like and appreciate Marshall football. Obviously to spend thousands of dollars on plane tickets, game tickets, hotel and restaurants I must like them a bit. The ONLY thing that got me away from football was Doc. I'm sure he is a very nice man and is committed to Marshall but as a head coach, for me , he just doesn't do it. Most of the time he plays way to conservative for me. This year it does appear that he has allowed his coordinators more control. That is a positive for sure.
I gave up 50 yard line seats that I had for years and vowed that I would return to watch the first game of a new coaching era. I stand by that. I watch most of the games on TV and support the players financially by helping pay for their scholarship via the Big Green. Now, go out and win a championship Friday followed by a bowl game next week and a top 25 ranking. I thinks that would be a wonderful retirement gift for Doc and if he chooses our AD as well

[svherd]

This board is getting toxic. Geebus. If I didn't know better, we have some that want Doc to lose and some that want Dan to lose. Pretty shitty attitudes. This school, our school, needs all the help and support we can get. I can assure you of a few things, the money is gonna get tighter, the fan base smaller. Knowing that, let's support our school and the teams as best we can.

[Gaylen]

This board is getting toxic. Geebus. If I didn't know better, we have some that want Doc to lose and some that want Dan to lose. Pretty %^&*ty attitudes. This school, our school, needs all the help and support we can get. I can assure you of a few things, the money is gonna get tighter, the fan base smaller. Knowing that, let's support our school and the teams as best we can.

This board is becoming a good place to check and see what Marshall, its coaches and athletes are doing wrong!!!

[bighat]

I love both teams and see that MU athletics are on their way up.

[MicDrass1]

Why not then demand better from basketball?  Dan has been head coach for 7 years and has the same amount of conference championships as Doc and his overall record is not any better than Docs?  I have posted the stats on each last year and they pretty much mirror.  That is the issue, you give a pass to Dan but crucify Doc.  They have the same performance just different personalities.

Both coaches need to beat good programs.  Beat programs that are respected in football and basketball.  Beating the teams that both beat are not good enough to be considered a true threat at the NCAA Championship level.  Some people like conference titles.  I prefer NCAA titles.  Basketball has a better chance at this than football.  But both programs need better players and gameday coaching.

[MicDrass1]

Dan had his 6th season cut short. They were playing well and were on the verge of making a run.

Totally exceeded expectations from the pundits.

[Herdalum83]

Why not then demand better from basketball?  Dan has been head coach for 7 years and has the same amount of conference championships as Doc and his overall record is not any better than Docs?  I have posted the stats on each last year and they pretty much mirror.  That is the issue, you give a pass to Dan but crucify Doc.  They have the same performance just different personalities.

Idk how many times this Dan and Doc are basically the same has to be debunked through basic logic, but I guess it needs to be done again.

Doc in 11 years is 85-52 overall (.620), 55-30 in CUSA (.641). 6-1 in Bowl Games. Tomorrow will be his third appearance in the CUSA championship game. As of now, he has 1 Title and 1 Runner-Up. He has posted three losing seasons and finished .500 or worse in CUSA play four times.

Dan in just 7 years is 117-92 overall (.560),  62-46 in CUSA (.574). With an average SOS of He has 1 conference title and 1 runner up. He has one NCAA Tourney Appearance including the school's first-ever NCAA Tournament win (Which is the equivalent of the Access Bowl in football or close). Dan also has that CIT Tournament Championship. Not that it means much but it's no different than Doc winning six bowl games no one cares about. DD has posted only 1 losing season and has finished better than .500 in CUSA in all seasons except for his first (which is also where his first losing season comes from).

So, while looking at that, some numbers look similar if not a little better for Doc. Except for the fact that DD has accomplished as much as what Doc has accomplished in nearly five (since we just started BBall) fewer seasons. Not only that, DD's peak year in 2017-2018 is a touch higher than anything Doc has delivered (2014 being Doc's peak). And DD has never had a BBall season hit as low of a low as Doc did in 2016 when even with the 121st toughest schedule in the country he managed to go 3-9.

That doesn't even mention the fact that DD and Basketball get far fewer resources to work with than Doc and Football and that CUSA is a better/tough BBall conference than it is football league. So, yes, they're basically a mirror if you throw out 100% of the context that relates to the records and achievements of each.

As for people not holding DD to the same standard as Doc I think you're wrong. Have you read the Toledo game thread? There is plenty of criticism being heaved at DD in that post. Much of it by Herdorbust, which is a guy you have repeatedly classified as a "basketball first fan" and "Doc Hater". DD doesn't get as much flack because he's done a better job than Doc to this point and sure him having a nice personality does endear him to fans a little more, I'm sure. But, his personality wouldn't matter if he was going 10-18 every year.