Topic: Steven Gilmore

[marshallz13]

Can anyone explain to me why he completely gave up on the play?

[herdorbust]

I wondered the same thing watching it live.

[wasbarryb]

Looks to me like he doesn't want to get his hands dirty.

[mr_ash_1995]

Can anyone explain to me why he completely gave up on the play?

This game had flashbacks of the 2016 season.  No energy, lackluster play !  Seemed some didn't want to play for each other. Disturbing to say the least.

[muherd34]

Imo, looks like he looked at ref and saw him pull yellow flag and then must have thought play was dead and did the "it wasn't me" gesture with his hands while the uab guy ran into the endzone.

[luvherd]

He held the WR and did an acting job that he didn’t. Probably thought the pass would be over thrown. Sorry ass play.

[Herdalum83]

Can anyone explain to me why he completely gave up on the play?

UAB ran a pick play. He got tangled in the pick and stopped playing the play to argue the call with the damn official.

Argue that with the official after the play is over, not mid-play while your man scores a 70 yard TD to ice a championship. The icing on the cake is the ref did throw a flag but threw it on him for defensive holding. Which he did grab the other WR, but only to freeze him while he gets around the pick. But, again, you can't argue a call in the middle of the play. He totally quits playing his man and starts making his way toward the ref. No excuse for that.

[MicDrass1]

Never been impressed by him but he played very timid and without much effort last night. 

[HoPPy785]

I think I made the same motion at my TV then gave up also. He wasn't the only person to quit on Doc at that very moment.

[MicDrass1]

Uab has wr talent that we don’t.  In fact the more talented team won last night.  Never been impressed with Hollidays recruiting at Marshall.  Rather have Snyder recruit. 

Avg line size
Uab ol - 315
Herd dl - 257

We would be mauled by true Top 25 teams with good offenses.  Destroyed.  We are a 80-100 ranked team again.  Same every year.  I will stand by my prediction from last year that had this season been normal the Herd would have been a 4 to 6 win team.  What you saw this year was a Herd team on campus since May primed for the season start bc it was determined we were going to play.  Our competition had more of an uncertain feeling towards the season.  As the season went on and more teams started priming over weeks of training we stayed the same in everything we do and they continued to climb to their peak.  We were peaked for week 1 while others took a wait and see approach with the idea of peaking at Week 10.  This is a failure of vision and full seasonal planning. This is a attitude of a staff that is afraid to deviate and take risks with the end vision.  Stale thinking and one sided decisions. 

[DC01HERD]

Uab has wr talent that we don’t.  In fact the more talented team won last night.  Never been impressed with Hollidays recruiting at Marshall.  Rather have Snyder recruit. 

Avg line size
Uab ol - 315
Herd dl - 257

We would be mauled by true Top 25 teams with good offenses.  Destroyed.  We are a 80-100 ranked team again.  Same every year.  I will stand by my prediction from last year that had this season been normal the Herd would have been a 4 to 6 win team.  What you saw this year was a Herd team on campus since May primed for the season start bc it was determined we were going to play.  Our competition had more of an uncertain feeling towards the season.  As the season went on and more teams started priming over weeks of training we stayed the same in everything we do and they continued to climb to their peak.  We were peaked for week 1 while others took a wait and see approach with the idea of peaking at Week 10.  This is a failure of vision and full seasonal planning. This is a attitude of a staff that is afraid to deviate and take risks with the end vision.  Stale thinking and one sided decisions.

Our defensive line in 1996 was bigger and way better. It's amazing how far we have fallen in recruiting players.

[herdfan129]

Also wondering why Pitts didn’t dive to tackle the guy? If he makes that tackle and holds them to a FG then it’s a totally different game.

[elginherd]

Steven Gilmore had a complete brain fart. He is IMO actually one of the better cover corners that we've had. Of course the proper thing to do was to go ahead and complete the DPI foul. In the college game it's only 5 yds more than a defensive holding call anyway.

[elginherd]

Uab has wr talent that we don’t.  In fact the more talented team won last night.  Never been impressed with Hollidays recruiting at Marshall.  Rather have Snyder recruit. 

Avg line size
Uab ol - 315
Herd dl - 257

We would be mauled by true Top 25 teams with good offenses.  Destroyed.  We are a 80-100 ranked team again.  Same every year.  I will stand by my prediction from last year that had this season been normal the Herd would have been a 4 to 6 win team.  What you saw this year was a Herd team on campus since May primed for the season start bc it was determined we were going to play.  Our competition had more of an uncertain feeling towards the season.  As the season went on and more teams started priming over weeks of training we stayed the same in everything we do and they continued to climb to their peak.  We were peaked for week 1 while others took a wait and see approach with the idea of peaking at Week 10.  This is a failure of vision and full seasonal planning. This is a attitude of a staff that is afraid to deviate and take risks with the end vision.  Stale thinking and one sided decisions.

You can be successful with a smaller quick, one gap D-line BUT that type of defense depends on the offense making a few first downs.

[herdorbust]

Uab has wr talent that we don’t.  In fact the more talented team won last night.  Never been impressed with Hollidays recruiting at Marshall.  Rather have Snyder recruit. 

Avg line size
Uab ol - 315
Herd dl - 257

We would be mauled by true Top 25 teams with good offenses.  Destroyed.  We are a 80-100 ranked team again.  Same every year.  I will stand by my prediction from last year that had this season been normal the Herd would have been a 4 to 6 win team.  What you saw this year was a Herd team on campus since May primed for the season start bc it was determined we were going to play.  Our competition had more of an uncertain feeling towards the season.  As the season went on and more teams started priming over weeks of training we stayed the same in everything we do and they continued to climb to their peak.  We were peaked for week 1 while others took a wait and see approach with the idea of peaking at Week 10.  This is a failure of vision and full seasonal planning. This is a attitude of a staff that is afraid to deviate and take risks with the end vision.  Stale thinking and one sided decisions.

200% correct. Legit teams will always wear this small defense down. Legit teams that are truly top 25-30 teams will run over this defense. And the defense has what has kept Doc afloat because his offenses have been bad. That is why he can beat the cupcakes and struggles against Cincy, UCF etc and then has that 1-2 meltdown games every year against subpar teams.

[gochneaur645]

Yeah it was a dumb play, but I don't think he "gave up." Just thought the play was over and was reacting to the (correct) call. In his defense, I made the same gesture and also didn't know the UAB WR was running down the field until he was near the goal line.

[MicDrass1]

You can be successful with a smaller quick, one gap D-line BUT that type of defense depends on the offense making a few first downs.

And S being able to tackle in open space which Derick Pitts has proven 90/100 times this year he can not.  Gilmore is 145lbs he can't tackle either.

[Herdalum83]

I don't know why we don't  IO those types of routes. Then you dont have to worry about getting caught up in the pick like Gilmore did and having to grab your man. Should be an Inside Out call where the DBs just pass the guy going inside and the guy going outside off to each other. Similar to switching on a screen in basketball.

[elginherd]

And S being able to tackle in open space which Derick Pitts has proven 90/100 times this year he can not.  Gilmore is 145lbs he can't tackle either.

True about the safeties being able to make tackles.
I disagree about Pitts for most of this season; the first 6-7 games of this seasons this version of the Herd's D were really tackling well, especially the safeties on run support.

[MicDrass1]

True about the safeties being able to make tackles.
I disagree about Pitts for most of this season; the first 6-7 games of this seasons this version of the Herd's D were really tackling well, especially the safeties on run support.

Check out he missed tackle after tackle all season.  He would hit a guy, try to wrap but player would get away.  I bet we have better S somewhere on the team and I bet the team knows it too.