Topic: Huff

[herd1990]

2 weeks ago we were all enamored with Huff?s candor and passion.  One bad performance and many are questioning his leadership.  Personally, I like his brashness and confidence.  If you compare his position to a chef, we are asking him to take over a kitchen with 99% of the ingredients the last complacent, dead beat, uninspired cook had in the kitchen.  It may take him a season or 2 to get all the ingredients in place to start cooking up some stuff we haven?t seen since the late 90?s.  Was I disappointed on Saturday?  Hell yeah.  Am I looking for improvements each week?  You bet.  I think Huff is exactly what we need.   Fire, passion, honesty and a youthfulness we?ve been missing for a very long time.  I can live with getting beaten if our opponent is better than us.  I can?t take beating ourselves.  That is what happened last week.  But I?ll give Huff time to get it right.  He deserves our support this season.  Beat Appy!

[herd2win]

This has nothing to do with the ingredients.  The chef didn?t pay attention and burnt the dinner.  If you go by star ratings Doc recruits were higher than what we have coming in.

Huff blew it with poor decisions and clock management. He had this team all Spring and Fall.  My middle school football playing son knows to cover an onside kick.

Huff appears to have thin skin and deflects.  The comments about fans not being welcome back on the bandwagon was un called for.  No one talked about being off the band wagon.

[herd1990]

This has nothing to do with the ingredients.  The chef didn?t pay attention and burnt the dinner.  If you go by star ratings Doc recruits were higher than what we have coming in.

Huff blew it with poor decisions and clock management. He had this team all Spring and Fall.  My middle school football playing son knows to cover an onside kick.

Huff appears to have thin skin and deflects.  The comments about fans not being welcome back on the bandwagon was un called for.  No one talked about being off the band wagon.

We lost, plain and simple because of execution.  If Gammage tucks the ball away, we are 3-0.  If our kicker makes a 31 yard field goal, we are 3-0.  If our players recover an onsides kick, we are 3-0.  If our DB?s break up a couple close coverage balls, we are 3-0.  No doubt coaching had some to do with the loss.  I?d be not so smart to claim otherwise.  But players win and lose games.  It really is that simple.

[herd2win]

Gammage fumble did not effect the outcome.  We held ECU after that and came down and scored to go up 17 with even less time.

[herd1990]

Gammage fumble did not effect the outcome.  We held ECU after that and came down and scored to go up 17 with even less time.

Well, we lost by 4 and touchdowns count for 6.  I?m no math major, but I did go to Marshall and 38 +6 = 44.  And 44>42.

[herdorbust]

This has nothing to do with the ingredients.  The chef didn?t pay attention and burnt the dinner.  If you go by star ratings Doc recruits were higher than what we have coming in.

Huff blew it with poor decisions and clock management. He had this team all Spring and Fall.  My middle school football playing son knows to cover an onside kick.

Huff appears to have thin skin and deflects.  The comments about fans not being welcome back on the bandwagon was un called for.  No one talked about being off the band wagon.

I knew you would find every reason in the world to prop up Doc. You are going to dig at Huff every chance you can because you still have a soft spot for Doc. You say you was finally on board with Docs removal but you are criticizing a guy that has coached 3 games compared to 11 years. Huff still hasn?t taken a beat down like the Akron game. Or what about Cincy at home losing by 40 at halftime? Or getting beat twice by start up Charlotte. Or the 3-9 meltdown 2016 season. Why not let the guy build his program before jumping off a cliff? Nobody said he was going to be perfect and I?ll guarantee you he will have another unexpected loss at some point. But I agree with 90, he is exactly what we need at this time. Brash, energetic and to the point. The snooze fest years are over.

[herd2win]

I knew you would find every reason in the world to prop up Doc. You are going to dig at Huff every chance you can because you still have a soft spot for Doc. You say you was finally on board with Docs removal but you are criticizing a guy that has coached 3 games compared to 11 years. Huff still hasn?t taken a beat down like the Akron game. Or what about Cincy at home losing by 40 at halftime? Or getting beat twice by start up Charlotte. Or the 3-9 meltdown 2016 season. Why not let the guy build his program before jumping off a cliff? Nobody said he was going to be perfect and I?ll guarantee you he will have another unexpected loss at some point. But I agree with 90, he is exactly what we need at this time. Brash, energetic and to the point. The snooze fest years are over.

My point was this loss had nothing to do with Doc.  This loss was the equivalent to the WVU loss in Docs first season.  I am a Herd fan first and will be at the App St game.  This was a major collapse and Huff reminds me of Donnan and if he ends up being as good of a coach then we are in for a great ride.  He does not get a pass for Saturday .

[herdfan129]

My point was this loss had nothing to do with Doc.  This loss was the equivalent to the WVU loss in Docs first season.  I am a Herd fan first and will be at the App St game.  This was a major collapse and Huff reminds me of Donnan and if he ends up being as good of a coach then we are in for a great ride.  He does not get a pass for Saturday .

Not the same as the Doc loss to WVU....just stop with that nonsense.


As for Doc recruiting...give me a break. Majority of his top recruits never made it to campus.

I also can't wait to see what Huff does in terms of utilizing the transfer portal.

[herdorbust]

My point was this loss had nothing to do with Doc.  This loss was the equivalent to the WVU loss in Docs first season.  I am a Herd fan first and will be at the App St game.  This was a major collapse and Huff reminds me of Donnan and if he ends up being as good of a coach then we are in for a great ride.  He does not get a pass for Saturday .

Then why bring up recruits? Saying docs were better? First off, it?s what you do with those recruits and how you develop them. Remember Donnan signing those 1 and 2 stars that turned out to be really good? How about we see if Huff has an eye for talent and see how they turn out? Again, Huff hasn?t been blown out by 40 in one half at home or had a 3-9 season yet.

[MicDrass1]

Hollidays best Hs recruits teach pe.  Huff?s are bigger and more physical.  Huff?s recruit rankings are from there jr year of Hs.  There rankings are not final.  His class already looks better than any class Holliday bc they are early commits and NQ?s have not been signed yet to boost up
Rankings late.  Huff secured these guys as juniors not seniors so no present NQS.  Holliday would have about 5/8 commits at this time.  Holliday avg about 10 3 star guys a class including NQs.  Huff has 10 3 stars now as juniors and hasn?t even added any NQs yet.  To say Holliday recruits better is just not true.  Doc Holliday was a average as a HC and recruiting program. No Herd stars to get excited about on Sundays for a long time running (Holliday recruiting).  I?m glad a new HC is here.  Huff earned the job.  I?ll wait longer to see what he does.  Not label him after 3 games.  He?s a young HC.  New to being a HC.  He seems adaptable not afraid of change.  I hope he wins.

[DC01HERD]

John was lousy a coach and did even less to sell the program.

Players need to execute. Better ball security and making stops. We should have put up 50+ the other night.

[Johns1124]

This has nothing to do with the ingredients.  The chef didn?t pay attention and burnt the dinner.  If you go by star ratings Doc recruits were higher than what we have coming in.

Huff blew it with poor decisions and clock management. He had this team all Spring and Fall.  My middle school football playing son knows to cover an onside kick.

Huff appears to have thin skin and deflects.  The comments about fans not being welcome back on the bandwagon was un called for.  No one talked about being off the band wagon.

For the most part, these are Doc's recruits.

[svherd]

This has nothing to do with the ingredients.  The chef didn?t pay attention and burnt the dinner.  If you go by star ratings Doc recruits were higher than what we have coming in.

Huff blew it with poor decisions and clock management. He had this team all Spring and Fall.  My middle school football playing son knows to cover an onside kick.

Huff appears to have thin skin and deflects.  The comments about fans not being welcome back on the bandwagon was un called for.  No one talked about being off the band wagon.

And as we saw with star ratings, that didn't mean squat. Half of Docs classes never saw the field. He took too many chances on kids and it backfired on him. Not only that, he lost the team multiple seasons and it showed. I know you love all things Doc but it's time to move on. I'll take a bunch of 2 stars who work hard, are dedicated and stay out of trouble over some 3=4 star guys who can't seem to get it together. Chase Litton was a classic Doc recruit, talent but a head case who never did develop to his full potential.

[herd2win]

The point is everyone is saying wait for Huff to get his recruits.  His recruits on paper are not better than what he inherited.  He has had these guys all Spring and Fall camp.  He should have had an impact on them even though they are Docs recruits. 

I love the offense so much better now than under Doc, the defense with the same players is not as good as when Lambert coached them and the special teams do not appear to be coached well.

I will be at Boone Thursday night cheering as loud as possible but I can also realize that Huff puckered up and choked a win away on Saturday night.

[herdfifteen]

And as we saw with star ratings, that didn't mean squat. Half of Docs classes never saw the field. He took too many chances on kids and it backfired on him. Not only that, he lost the team multiple seasons and it showed. I know you love all things Doc but it's time to move on. I'll take a bunch of 2 stars who work hard, are dedicated and stay out of trouble over some 3=4 star guys who can't seem to get it together. Chase Litton was a classic Doc recruit, talent but a head case who never did develop to his full potential.

Let’s not kid ourselves, there is a huge difference between two stars and four stars. You seem to insinuate 3-4 star guys never work hard which is not true. The difference is Doc’s 3-4 star recruits often did not show up or were of questionable character. Watch our board light up when Huff recruits a four star!

[herdorbust]

Let?s not kid ourselves, there is a huge difference between two stars and four stars. You seem to insinuate 3-4 star guys never work hard which is not true. The difference is Doc?s 3-4 star recruits often did not show up or were of questionable character. Watch our board light up when Huff recruits a four star!

You want to compare Donnan and Pruett 2 star to Doc 3-4 stars? Let?s just start with quarterbacks. Pennington and Leftwich?

[herdfifteen]

You want to compare Donnan and Pruett 2 star to Doc 3-4 stars? Let?s just start with quarterbacks. Pennington and Leftwich?

I referenced the  issue about Doc in my post, also we recognize Pennington and Leftwich as two highly exceptional players and  I am not arguing against Marshall. If you want to see which teams are recruiting 4 star platers as opposed to two star players check out the top fifteen teams in the nation every year and you will have an answer, of course, there is an occasional exception.

[Herd-nficent]

It's refreshing to not hear "coach speak" during an interview. 

[mckayt]

2 weeks ago we were all enamored with Huff?s candor and passion.  One bad performance and many are questioning his leadership.  Personally, I like his brashness and confidence.  If you compare his position to a chef, we are asking him to take over a kitchen with 99% of the ingredients the last complacent, dead beat, uninspired cook had in the kitchen.  It may take him a season or 2 to get all the ingredients in place to start cooking up some stuff we haven?t seen since the late 90?s.  Was I disappointed on Saturday?  Hell yeah.  Am I looking for improvements each week?  You bet.  I think Huff is exactly what we need.   Fire, passion, honesty and a youthfulness we?ve been missing for a very long time.  I can live with getting beaten if our opponent is better than us.  I can?t take beating ourselves.  That is what happened last week.  But I?ll give Huff time to get it right.  He deserves our support this season.  Beat Appy!

I agree with almost all of this.  What I disagree with is the statement that Doc was a dead beat.  If he didn't succeed, it wasn't because he was a dead beat and didn't give effort.  People may have not liked his style or performance, but it wasn't because he didn't try and because he didn't want to be successful.  As a fanbase, we should move on from Doc and stop comparing Huff to Doc.  Huff is 100% responsible for our collapse against ECU.  Somebody has to take responsibility and it's on his shoulders.  He should also be 100% responsible for our successes going forward.  He has my support and I look forward to many more wins this year and in the future.