Topic: Transfer portal debate

[Johnnyherd]

When the Transfer portal first hit, everyone sort of came to the conclusion that all the smaller leagues would be "farm teams" for the the P5.

However, these blueblood billionaire schools can still only play 11 on offense and 11 on defense?  They no doubt have 2-3-4-5 players that are 4 & 5 star recruits waiting to play behind the 11 starters.

I think its more likely that one of their sitting 4-star recruits' portal to us to get game film for the NFL, than one of our players portal to them and break their line up.   Over a 10 year period which is more likely to happen more often?

So does the portal help the P5 more or the G5?  Let me hear your thoughts?

[MicDrass1]

Helps all I think.  But in some Olympic sports it will help create super teams.  Teams that break world records.

[Scottyo614]

Helps all I think.  But in some Olympic sports it will help create super teams.  Teams that break world records.

Coming to say this. Expanding- football has enough roster spots for variety. You get the 0 star transferring up, the 4* down or across. Apparently JUCO is wide open. You can run a roster like a pro team while still recruiting.

From a basketball/Olympic side, you better be ready to invest. Small schools will get crushed on this thing. Simply because 5* players will want to stay at blue bloods or near blue bloods while "G5s" have their best poached. I don't see how Oklahoma softball loses again unless someone else buys a team. But to do that you'll crush another team. SEC/ACC will crush baseball here on out, with a few small schools who heavily invest in those areas and Big 12/Pac 12/Big 10 having outside shots.   

[MicDrass1]

Agree Olympic Sports with unlimited roster heads will see P5s become unstoppable.  Record breaking. 

[herdorbust2]

Depends on who the coach is. Some will make it work just fine like Huff. Others will get left in the dust.

[Buffalo Bop]

Huff uses the portal like a natural. You either adapt or die. Also, word is Huff is looking at another QB in the portal.

[herdfan429]

The P5 would t have agreed to it if it wouldn?t benefit them more than anyone else.  I was watching the college World Series last night and a player from Florida was on his fourth school as a senior.  That?s a problem. The rules need to be changed.  I?ll give you one transfer no penalty then you have to sit out a year for each subsequent transfer

[herdorbust2]

The P5 would t have agreed to it if it wouldn?t benefit them more than anyone else.  I was watching the college World Series last night and a player from Florida was on his fourth school as a senior.  That?s a problem. The rules need to be changed.  I?ll give you one transfer no penalty then you have to sit out a year for each subsequent transfer

You can only transfer once without sitting out a year unless you transfer down.

[miltonherdfan]

You can only transfer once without sitting out a year unless you transfer down.

i thought that was the rule.  but can anyone explain how this baseball player has done what's he done (4th school as a SR)?

[herdorbust2]

i thought that was the rule.  but can anyone explain how this baseball player has done what's he done (4th school as a SR)?

Maybe claimed family hardship or something? But it is the rule.

[herdfan129]

I think it?s creating more parity. As you mentioned a lot of 4 and even 5 star recruits are transferring from P5 to G5 so they can play.

[herdfan429]

Maybe claimed family hardship or something? But it is the rule.

You guys are right inforgot they changed the rule last year. 

[MicDrass1]

The SEC will not get caught.

[coalherd]

One trend you are probably pretty sure to see is that when a Non-Power or Mid-Major Coach leaves his/her school to take a job at a Power/Major school, more than likely one or more of their star/better players will end up with them at the new Power/Major school.  But when it goes in the other direction, and a former Powe/Major HC, or top assistant, moves on and ends up Coaching at a G5/Mid Major program, if any player from their former school ends up with them at their new G5/Mid Maor locale, it will probably be a non-starter or other bench player/sub moving to the G5/Mid Major school.

[Johnnyherd]

I was mainly talking about football, now basketball is completely different.  There are a heck of a lot more schools that play basketball so the math is different, way more options for players. 

I really don't know the portal affects basketball.  I feel like the portal hurts small programs, but then again Florida Atlantic got to the final four with portal players.

[forphase1]

The cream rises to the top,  while the chaff gets tossed.  The best G5 players will move to the P5 while the G5 gets the leftovers,  the kids who either couldn't crack the depth chart, lost their jobs,  or had some issues (grades, discipline, legal, etc.)  How anyone could think that losing your best players and replacing them with the cast-off from bigger programs is good for the G5 is beyond my understanding.  Sure, there will be exceptions,  but by and large I think it's a fairly clear negative overall for the G5.  As to Marshall,  we haven't yet seen it hurt us from a football standpoint as we haven't had a Pennington or Leftwich to get poached as overall we haven't been a great team with great players since this mess started.   But imagine the situation of a Chad who we take from nothing,  lowly rated and barely recruited, turn him into a star, then he leaves us for a bigger school.   We've seen a bunch of that with basketball already,  be it West, Taylor or Handlogten.  G5 is becoming a minor league system for the P5, where the best get called up to the majors and those who don't perform get sent back to the minors to work on their game.

[herdorbust2]

The cream rises to the top,  while the chaff gets tossed.  The best G5 players will move to the P5 while the G5 gets the leftovers,  the kids who either couldn't crack the depth chart, lost their jobs,  or had some issues (grades, discipline, legal, etc.)  How anyone could think that losing your best players and replacing them with the cast-off from bigger programs is good for the G5 is beyond my understanding.  Sure, there will be exceptions,  but by and large I think it's a fairly clear negative overall for the G5.  As to Marshall,  we haven't yet seen it hurt us from a football standpoint as we haven't had a Pennington or Leftwich to get poached as overall we haven't been a great team with great players since this mess started.   But imagine the situation of a Chad who we take from nothing,  lowly rated and barely recruited, turn him into a star, then he leaves us for a bigger school.   We've seen a bunch of that with basketball already,  be it West, Taylor or Handlogten.  G5 is becoming a minor league system for the P5, where the best get called up to the majors and those who don't perform get sent back to the minors to work on their game.

It's because in basketball we don't have a coach with connections or knows how to work the portal. There are 3-4* sitting that go into the portal that some will go to a G5 to start. The really good recruiters will find those players like Huff is in football. Huff is known for his recruiting and embraces the portal. Danny hates the portal and is forced to use it but his heart isn't in it because he wants to live in the past. I personally hate it but it's here to stay and you either adapt or fail.

[bbcard1]

Had there been a "both" answer, I may have chosen it. We are more likely to lose stars but also more likely to be able to upgrade positions by bringing in people who are not playing at their school. So long as we have Huff and Grassie, there will be years we love the portal and years we hate the portal

[MUther]

Had there been a "both" answer, I may have chosen it. We are more likely to lose stars but also more likely to be able to upgrade positions by bringing in people who are not playing at their school. So long as we have Huff and Grassie, there will be years we love the portal and years we hate the portal

A good example is Andre Sam from last year.  Portaled in, kicked ass, and then followed the DC out.  At least he didn't stay with Tulane.  I'd rather have the players go where they aren't competing against us for things like the access bowl.

[muherd34]

Both should have been an option.  It can be a positive if a coach embraces it and is a solid recruiter.  BUT, it can be a huge negative if a coach fights it and has no clue how to properly use it.

[MicDrass1]

It?s not hard to embrace.  All you do is send an email first after looking up the name to find hudl, recent footage and current stats.  Literally can recruit 15 or more from the portal a day in 2 hours. 

[MicDrass1]

The one problem I see in fball and b-ball with the portal is can transfer downs P5 to G5 be viewed as pro prospects if they didn?t have good stats at the P5 level but get great stats at the G5 level.  If scouts recognize that the struggling P5 player turned successful G5 player is pro worthy then things get more interesting with the portal as talent grouping evens out.  This stigma will take time.

[BraveSaintStuart]

It might be cynical of me, but it seems pretty simple, really. If it didn't benefit P5 schools more, the NCAA wouldn't allow it.

[chris88]

It might be cynical of me, but it seems pretty simple, really. If it didn't benefit P5 schools more, the NCAA wouldn't allow it.

It allows to P5's to make up for recruiting mistakes. Andre Sam benefitted from moving up a class as did Marshall but he could have done that without the portal.  Womens BB had nice D2 addition as well last year. Laborn was great. Columbi was lights out vs Notre Dame. A couple others added nice depth...especially on defense.  Will be interesting to see how much impact MU's portal roster has this season. Overall, the better coaches will benefit the most and don't think it will change the pecking order much in the P5 as far as winning and losing and conf standings. G5 football hasn't shown me much of a pecking order change either so far. Fla Atlantic showed it can have a big impact in basketball where there is more parity than football...especially since you only need one or two guys to have a huge impact.

In soccer, most of guys brought in last season as transfers were not that highly regarded but 2-3 turned out to be very good in Dougan (sp), Aeomach (sp), and Oshiyoki.  True FR Bell and Holmes were great gets too. This season the guys coming in are much more accomplished with SBC leading goal scorer from Coastal, a top 50 rated FR from Quinnipiac, a multiple year all conf GK from UNC-W, and several internationals with good tape. Woman's BB looks to have a nice transfer class as well. Autum Owen was a softball transfer from Gardner Webb and won SBC triple crown. 

Knowing what players fit the style and getting them is what makes a good recruiter.  Putting it all together and making a great team out of them is different. Grassie, the new women's bb coach, and the softball coach that just left all have proven they can coach their talent to success. Huff hasn't done that yet but FB takes longer.  This year will be important.  IMO the FB coaches in SB, as a whole, much better X and O wise than what we saw in CUSA except for Brohm and Kiffen but they were not around long and dominated when in league for most part. In men's BB Curfman (sp) was a solid add but DD has struggled for some time assembling a balanced roster convinced he can win with thin, tall clones who struggle to shoot and defend.

So add it up: Soccer had what Grassie called a good but not great year going to sweet 16 and finishing in top 15 in national polls. Softball finished second in SBC after being picked 7th. Odds are soccer will be as good or better and womens BB will finish near top of league. Softball will depend on new hire and replacing the talent that left with the coach. Football will likely go 8-4 or 7-5 and go to crappy bowl game and men's BB will likely struggle and hover around .500 despite a weak schedule.  But we can all be optimistic that we will do better than expected. That's what makes it interesting.