Topic: QB Transfers... Marshall vs Sun Belt

[Johnnyherd]

Maybe what we see here is another example of that "Name Thingy".  Would his HS career have gotten him a MU, and/or a D1 scholarship if his last name was different?  As I recall, he played at a small Private School against some very "suspect" competition.  How many other D1 scholarships did he have?

3 D1 and 2 FCS, but really I never care or judge a QB by his offers.

Chad had 1 besides us
Cato had 1 besides us
Byron I don?t think had any other offers as a QB (correct me)

Willy Korn probably had 25
Chris Smith had 6-7 offers
AJ Graham had some P5 schools offering him

[Flat Tire 2]

Cole's three DI or G5 offers were from Ball State; Akron and Marshall. He also had offers from TN Martin and EKU. I would guess playing in the smallest Kentucky high school division limited his scholarship offers?

I seem to remember Bryon had several college offers to play either basketball and football including Maryland , but he was not recruited for the quarterback position. Remember Chad attended two years at Donnan's summer football camp during his high school years so Donnan was aware of Chad's potential. Chad might not have played early in his career at Marshall if the number 1 and 2 quarterbacks in front of him had gotten hurt. Jim was not big on starting freshmen at the skill positions. I know most fans were scared about Chad starting his first game and thought the season was over.

https://247sports.com/player/cole-pennington-46100618/
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/cole-pennington-273695?view=pv

[MicDrass1]

Penny2 was ranked top 80 Qb in nation.  It?s his 3rd year at MU.  If developed right he should be capable of leading the Herd this year.   

[svherd]

Cole had more D1 offers than most of our recent B'ball recruits from the last few years

[Johns1124]

Penny2 was ranked top 80 Qb in nation.  It?s his 3rd year at MU.  If developed right he should be capable of leading the Herd this year.

According to:

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=highschool/&Position=QB

He was not even in the top 250.

and according to:

https://247sports.com/player/cole-pennington-46100618/

His national ranking was 1405.

Far cry from Top 80.

[MicDrass1]

According to:

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=highschool/&Position=QB

He was not even in the top 250.

and according to:

https://247sports.com/player/cole-pennington-46100618/

His national ranking was 1405.

Far cry from Top 80.

I think you put in wrong info or something / Cole is class of 22 not 21

Cole Pennington
87th Qb or 69th rank whichever you prefer
3 ⭐️
National ranking is all players rank regardless of position

https://247sports.com/season/2022-football/compositerecruitrankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=QB

[Johns1124]

I think you put in wrong info or something / Cole is class of 22 not 21

Cole Pennington
87th Qb or 69th rank whichever you prefer
3 ⭐️
National ranking is all players rank regardless of position

https://247sports.com/season/2022-football/compositerecruitrankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=QB

So he is not ranked 1405? I need to write and tell 247sports they are wrong!

[MicDrass1]

So he is not ranked 1405? I need to write and tell 247sports they are wrong!

Overall player he was 1405.  But Qb he was ranked 87 or 69. 
My original post only talked about his Qb ranking.  I don?t care he ranks 1405 overall comparing to Lbs cbs and every other position.  He?s a Qb.  He was ranked 87 or 69 coming out of high school at Qb by 247

[HerdEcon]

130 FBS QBs (when he signed) and he was ranked 87 in the nation? 

Being generous, if the top 65% of the top 130 HS QBs in his graduating class eventually earn starting FBS jobs, he is outside the top 65%.

All that being said, stars and recruiting ranks do not matter.  Game day performance is all that matters. Just win.

[FilmJunky]

Marshall should always have a Top 3 QB in the league.  HC should always respect and maintain/protect successful traditions some schools might have.  Marshall football has Qb tradition and it?s not being protected.  I?m all for giving HC time but over time if tradition isn?t being protected time to try finding someone that can hopefully restore it.

This is your opinion. What makes Marshall a better destination than other schools in the SBC?

[FilmJunky]

Penny2 was ranked top 80 Qb in nation.  It?s his 3rd year at MU.  If developed right he should be capable of leading the Herd this year.

He's not capable. But you Herd Homers may get your wish. Another Pennington at QB for old times sake. This isn't 1999

[MUonium]

This is your opinion. What makes Marshall a better destination than other schools in the SBC?

you win the unconscious double-statement of the day award!

[MicDrass1]

Pedigree of former/current NFL players on offense
One of best indoor facilities in nation
College town
History of developing excellent NFL players

Herd should always have a capable Qb.  You can put as many as you want on scholarship. 

[HerdEcon]

Pedigree of former/current NFL players on offense
One of best indoor facilities in nation
College town
History of developing excellent NFL players

Herd should always have a capable Qb.  You can put as many as you want on scholarship.

That's what is puzzling, we can have as many as we want on scholarship yet we bring in the minimum and hope for the best.  Knowing we are struggling at the QB position bring in one or two more.  Do something to help the most important position on offense.  Those that don't work out will hit the transfer portal. 

Combined Cole and Braxton won a total of one FBS game in 2023.  In 2022 Cole didn't play and Braxton won a total of 2 FBS games.  Since 2022 they have played in a combined 17 FBS games.

[FilmJunky]

you win the unconscious double-statement of the day award!

Good Answer.

[herdinphilly]

Coaches don't understand that they need a good QB to win. They should read more fans boards.

[svherd]

Coaches don't understand that they need a good QB to win. They should read more fans boards.

Obviously, our last 3 HC's had/have a hard time understanding that. With Cato being the exception.

[MUther]

He's not capable. But you Herd Homers may get your wish. Another Pennington at QB for old times sake. This isn't 1999

I'd love for him to win the job and do well.  I'd hate for him to get the nod because of his name and have an offense like the last 3-4 years.  And after what we've witnessed, I'd loathe him getting the job as the best QB on the team and not have improved since last year.  That would be a monumental failure from the coaching staff in not securing a talented D1 QB. 

We can't just have a serviceable QB this year.  We don't have an NFL running back and we're installing a new system.  We need a smart baller.

[Johnnyherd]

The thing that really causes me to doubt Pennington is that he attempted a 100 passes and had 6 interceptions and zero TDs.  He probably has the lowest quarterback rating in the nation at 14.6.

It felt like the QB room, has the attitude and culture that not throwing TDs and missing on 9 of 10 third downs are perfectly fine, because the rest of the group will do the same.  QBs need to push each other to excellence, but excellence was not the standard. 

Further, that the QB is just a position and not responsible for winning or losing, at all. 

I really hope that Doege changes the culture and further is not pressured to play Pennington due to outside influences. 

I have heard Pennington is an Outstanding young man.  Just being honest and only going off what Pennington did on the field I would hope that he is no higher than 3rd string.

[FilmJunky]

Can someone on this forum explain what the draw for good transfers or high school QB's is to come to Marshall? and why everyone says we "should" have this or that?

This isn't the early 2000's CFB landscape it's NIL and kids want to ho where they get some money and can have a good time doing it. Most of these kids don't care that Chad Pennington or Randy Moss went to Marshall. They want to put up numbers and wins some games. Unfortunately since about 2014 Marshall and it's QB's haven't exactly done either

[svherd]

Can someone on this forum explain what the draw for good transfers or high school QB's is to come to Marshall? and why everyone says we "should" have this or that?

This isn't the early 2000's CFB landscape it's NIL and kids want to ho where they get some money and can have a good time doing it. Most of these kids don't care that Chad Pennington or Randy Moss went to Marshall. They want to put up numbers and wins some games. Unfortunately since about 2014 Marshall and it's QB's haven't exactly done either

Crap coaches. No experience as an OC. No development of any QB. Cato basically worked on his own and with Shuler to get better.

[Johnnyherd]

Can someone on this forum explain what the draw for good transfers or high school QB's is to come to Marshall? and why everyone says we "should" have this or that?

This isn't the early 2000's CFB landscape it's NIL and kids want to ho where they get some money and can have a good time doing it. Most of these kids don't care that Chad Pennington or Randy Moss went to Marshall. They want to put up numbers and wins some games. Unfortunately since about 2014 Marshall and it's QB's haven't exactly done either

Well first and foremost, you get play D1 QB and if you want to play QB in the NFL this is the path.  Second we are implementing an air raid offense like Patrick Mahomes ran in college.   Even if you don?t know if youll make the NFL you could just play well for 2 seasons and cash in on the portal.   Finally the job is easy to win because the QBs with experience really played very poorly and the other were worse than him by proxy of the fact they weren?t good enough to see the field.  Also we have some tradition and name recognition.

But, we aren?t going to get a QB that is tops in the nation because of NIL money.  We have to seek out kids that can ball. 

It?s very important to pick our QBs carefully.  I feel like we just take any and every athlete that wants to come.

The thing about QBs is that if you recruit too many at once, some will backout, some will portal as they feel their opportunity to play diminish.

[Garbanjo]

Crap coaches. No experience as an OC. No development of any QB. Cato basically worked on his own and with Shuler to get better.

Bad hires

Snyder, Doc and Huff

Next hire has to be O first

Go Herd!

[whf]

Boy has the board turned negative, crap everything, why in the hex are you still here?  I actually admire your ability to be this unhappy for so long and still come here to complain about everyone, everyday.  Good on you, I just don't personally have that much energy.