Topic: Mark Snyder Should Be Fired Right Now!

[sovine]

I love the herd just as much as the rest of you...and I'm not happy with Snyder at all. I have taken up for him for a while now, but I can't any longer.  He should be let go/resign at the end of the season. I don't think firing him now will do any good, since we're already 0-5. Let him finish out this season, thank him for his time, and let's move this program forward.

[Up5491yours]

But if we wait until the end of the season we will lose all the recruits we are working on right now.   Making a move now will give the next coach some time to make the contacts necessary to salvage a recruiting season.  And it will send a message that a change is being made.   If we make a change after the season a lot of the good players will already be committed to other programs and the new coach will be left with slim pickings.  Plus we get a jump on available coaches, instead of waiting for other jobs to open that may seem more attractive.  Depending on the situation of the coaching candidates (Donnan is available vs. an Asst. on someone's staff right now) we could either have an interim coach or a permanent hire.  But one thing is sure, waiting until the end of the season accomplishes nothing.

[Thundermonkey]

Maybe he should be fired, maybe not--I can't really say. But if Snyder is gone, any suggestions for a new coach?

0-5 Sucks, but can he turn things around?

[HerdAlum00_01]

Maybe he should be fired, maybe not--I can't really say. But if Snyder is gone, any suggestions for a new coach?

0-5 Sucks, but can he turn things around?

I firmly believe Donnan should be considered.  We need an experienced coach who can build a program.  He knows the area, the fan base, and what it takes to succeed.  There shouldn't be any kind of hard feelings because he left.  Who here wouldn't take a better job if offered.

[2001grad]

Maybe he should be fired, maybe not--I can't really say. But if Snyder is gone, any suggestions for a new coach?

0-5 Sucks, but can he turn things around?

Same list as before.  Donnan, Holiday, etc.

Add Rick Neuheisel.  Also, Terry Bowden is wanting to get into coach pretty badly.  I'd also call Bud Foster, Jimbo Fisher and make them tell me no.  I'd also call Jerry Moore and Mickey Matthews.

[ThunderValley]

We need to keep this staff another 5 years. By that time we might (if we hit a lucky streak) have a 6-5 season. Who know, those 3 plays might work if we get them down pat. :P

[marshallmba]

First of all, I don't want Donnan back in Huntington.  That guy was job hunting when MU was playing for a national title (and Marshall lost that title game...remember???).  He also took some of the Herd's finest with him to Georgia.

Marshall University isn't "in Kansas anymore".  This school went from a very bad MAC conference (yes, that league stunk when MU first arrived) to a solid USA conference.   MU's non-conference schedule is now a fan's dream and a coach's nightmare.  

Resources is MU's biggest problem.  Marshall was the MAC's smallest school.  By USA's standards, Marshall is an ant among giants.   Check the enrollment figures!

Marshall is NOT located in a thriving area with huge corporations.  SMU and the University of Houston have access to big corporate $$$ and larger markets.   Plus, MU's alumni is small in comparison to other USA schools.
 
Anybody that knows anything about college football understands that a college head coach does NOT coach players.  He coaches other coaches.  Coach Bowden explained that fact on the "We are Marshall' tape.

I am not impressed with our assistant coaches.  We can't offer the $$$ like the big guys can for top assistants.  Again, another resource issue.

I think we need to see what a healthy MU team can do.  Can you imagine Albert out there for the WVU game?  One player of that quality can make all the difference in the world in a close game.

[parshall2marshall]

I have questioned many, many Snyder decisions at
all levels. But I have never been a proponent of
letting MS go. Still am not.

But he needs some help. I think it could work.
If KO is only making $85K then you offer the
current OC a lower position at the same salary
he has now.

Somehow, somehow you find the dollars for
an Associate HC/OC who is willing to do the
deal as shared and you tell Snyder he has to
give up some power FOR AWHILE to grow into
his role as HC. You bring the other guy in as
OC but with additional power over all other
coaches except maybe Dunlap. You see how it
plays out for 2-4 seasons. You keep your recruits,
you spend more on coaches yes, but it helps
your entire line ( like adding a TE ) of coaches.

DShoe was posting sarcastically "Put a headset
on Snyder !!!" Well, guess what Dan, I saw one
on him a good portion of the night. And I think
that was a good thing. With your Associate HC/OC
way up in the pressbox it is like 2 minds - no
one has to know who made the decision or the
final say on the field. I think it could work.

I don't want to lose Snyder, threads like this
hurt ... but the job is clearly not getting done.
Like I have said we need an INNOVATOR and
someone who will get fundamentals on track.

E.g. I can never remember any team getting a punt
blocked behind the "second wall" punt formation. I
am sure it has happened but you get the point.
Glad we dropped the "teardrop" and went to it.

Ditto "Gauntlet" drills / "tip" drills and a new focus on
turnovers to turn this 10-2 TO ratio around.
Pruett focused on it after it got out of hand and,
for at least one season, we did turn that stat around.
The 2000 Cincy Bearcats were a mediocre team,
their main claim to success was their turnover
margin which they prided themselves on and
practiced. This big Tub can be turned around I tell ya.

I say can the IPF for now and give him some help,
and keep him from becoming and old man before
his time like so many coaches so do.

MU wins, Snyder wins, Kueck wins, everyone wins
the way I see it. Just find the right guy. Then let
Snyder's recruits blossom.

p2m

[Dreamherd]

Poor execution = poor coaching.

[marshallaw]

Here's what we are facing and it is hard to tell which is the worst, but they have created a perfect storm:

1) losing the scholarships

2) moving to a better, more financially committed conference

3) getting a head coach who had to learn on the job

I am not impressed with Snyder either, but let's be honest, numbers 1 and 2 would have made the last couple of seasons challenging anyway, even with a coach who knew what he was doing (ie Pruett or Donnan).  I am sure they both would have and should have performed better, but I don't think we would still be enjoying the success that we all grew accustomed to during CP's and BL's careers here.

The thing that is the most frustrating to me and to a lot of other fans I talk to is that Snyder seems to be able to recruit and the player problems off of the field have improved.  These are real positives - - but on the field we look so unprepared at times it is not funny.

[herdman]

Marshall MBA,

Enrollment figures below. Marshall is about the same size as UAB, Souther Miss and is bigger than Rice, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa. Kent State is much bigger enrollment wise than MU but, who has the better program? Is Southern Miss is a thriving area?  


Institution Location Founded Affiliation Enrollment Joined
University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB) Birmingham, Alabama 1969 Public 17,600 1995
University of Central Florida (UCF) Orlando, Florida 1963 Public 45,090 2005
East Carolina University (ECU) Greenville, North Carolina 1907 Public 24,075 1997
University of Houston Houston, Texas 1927 Public 35,180 1995
Marshall University Huntington, West Virginia 1837 Public 16,400 2005
University of Memphis Memphis, Tennessee 1912 Public 20,668 1995
Rice University Houston, Texas 1891 Private/Non-sectarian 4,835 2005
Southern Methodist University (SMU) University Park, Texas 1911 Private/Methodist 10,901 2005
The University of Southern Mississippi (USM) Hattiesburg, Mississippi 1910 Public 15,050 1995
University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP) El Paso, Texas 1914 Public 20,154 2005
Tulane University New Orleans, Louisiana 1834 Private/Non-sectarian 13,214 1995
University of Tulsa Tulsa, Oklahoma 1894 Private/Presbyterian 4,174 2005

[parshall2marshall]

The idea of getting not one but two
guys willing to share at the top ( Snyder
being one ) ... but I think that no one has come
out here and labeled the idea absurd yet
is a plus. Hurts ego's but keeps a lot of guys in their
respective jobs and might look good to
either a rising star offensive mind -
or somone at the end of their career
who might be up to making a last contribution
before retirement.

Not everyone would be retained but a lot
better than cleaning house.

Didn't Tommy West abruptly fire his DC last year.
Does Rice have a new HC that is currently 1-0
or did I misinterpret on that.

p2m

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