Author Topic: Hardesty was MU supporter in BE meetings (Read 7002 times)

WallyHerd · « **on:** February 21, 2005, 10:52:12 PM »

page 5 toward the bottom references Hardesty's support for MU as all sports member of the BE conf. Interesting.
http://mysite.verizon.net/fethrs/Minutes%20July%202003.pdf

TomorrowHERD · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2005, 12:41:06 AM »

Thank you, that was very enlightening. I would like to know HOW he presented it.

But at least that is a start.

W0lfman · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2005, 12:46:18 AM »

I couldnt make out the scribble notes that were supposed to be a reference to something Hardesty said. Could anyone else make out what was noted? Anyway, that is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. How did you get it?

Thunders · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2005, 01:04:28 AM »

Well I'll be damned!!! That just goes against everything that was said in the past I guess. Good to hear we may have some support if this thing ever surfaces again but it is up to us to make it happen. We hold the future in out hands and have to come in CUSA and do very well to get considered for the BE.

I just wonder if Hardesty really did support us and how much he actually argued for us or did he just mention us because he "had to" because of being in state and all? I guess we will never know. If the other schools didn't want us in I bet I can tell you why. They were probably afraid we would come in and dominate the conference and take all their recruits because all we are missing is the BCS money to really build a great program like K state.

Blade · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2005, 05:45:39 AM »

Wolf, we don't have the archives in place do we? I want to do an "I told ya so" on this one. ;)

We were not included because of our facilities, academic status and our other sports. Period. I tried to tell you guys last year about this but it wasn't a popular stance. :P

Now with Louisville and Cindy are there, I look for them and Pitt to join WVU in supporting Marshall in the next round. Problem is, I don't ever see Syracuse, UConn or Rutgers ever supporting us. We have a lot of work to do(in our 3 shortcomings) and a lot of team building in the BE to make it a reality.

Marcum is really our only ticket to gain support in the NE because of his UMass ties, imo.

Shepherdstown5150 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2005, 06:51:35 AM »

I am just not sure what is trying to be accomplished by our administration or the news madia not telling us the truth on some of these issues. These Big East documents can be made public via the Freedon of Information act. Why did the Charleston papers drop this ball???

Marco · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2005, 07:35:37 AM »

first off,

knowing the eerdiots out there with free time on their hands, I wouldn't bet my life that this isn't a hoax.

I don't think USF was a shoe in to get in, no real discussion there. also, i don't know that they would go out of there way to put in minutes like take UCF off the table, no other support for Marshall etc. why the specific sentence about MU but not much else about memphis, usf, ecu etc.

secondly,

if it is the real deal. not real big news. i've always said if they did support us it was more like a how about Marshall...no? o.k. certainly not the same support that UVA gave tech that got them in the ACC. UVA's yes vote along with duke and nc saying no in general is the only way tech got in, if duke and nc were saying yes to expansion....UVA's vote wouldn't have mattered and the expansion would have been cuse and BC as originally planned.

thirdly,

Blade is right. we have a long way to go olympic sports wise to the point it could and does hinder us moving, it hurts in cusa. however, if the BE really did want us our two main facilites BB and FB are good enough that I'd think there could be some way to make it work.

lastly,

that's why you here our folks saying we are trying to get facilities in order so we are in a position to move to the BE in a few years with the next shake up. that will be the divorce of the BB and FB schools.

marcbuff · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2005, 08:44:49 AM »

I tried to tell you guys it was the basketball schools and our lack of facilities for Olympic Sports and NOT Hardesty but its always easy to blame the "school up north" isn't it? :-?

Mako · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2005, 09:27:31 AM »

Regardless, none of this means USPAM sucks any less.

Blade · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2005, 09:31:06 AM »

Quote from: "marcbuff"

I tried to tell you guys it was the basketball schools and our lack of facilities for Olympic Sports and NOT Hardesty but its always easy to blame the "school up north" isn't it? :-?

We can live by that premise and be right 99% of the time.

Just so happens that we weren't prepared for the move. Had we been, I would have liked to see the uspam response.

Though I Herd the reasons for the shun just after the meetings, I have to go with Marco on this one. Hardesty's response appeared canned and I doubt seriously that is was more than just a political gesture. Since uspam's overt campaign to nix the Pittsburgh series, I haven't trusted anything that comes from "up north".

The outcome of ONE event doesn't excuse the numerous injustices suffered by Marshall at the hands of your 2nd alma mater.

YAKS · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2005, 12:35:02 PM »

WPU did not want us.

HerdZone · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2005, 01:14:51 PM »

The next conf rounds will be Memphis and ECU it will be up to us to make sure they take us over UCF. To do this we need to build an IPF, a Baseball stadium with 500 seats. Upgrade the soccer field with field turf, and maybe gut the CAM out and redo it inside.

HerdInChicago · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2005, 01:26:42 PM »

All things considered, it will be an "uphill" battel for MU to join any conference with WVU.

In addition to upgrading the athletic facilities we need to add more doctorial programs, more undergraduate courses and provide more research opportunities for students and professors.

Mike...Go Herd

Marco · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2005, 01:36:58 PM »

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All things considered, it will be an "uphill" battel for MU to join any conference with WVU.

that's what most in Virginia would have said about va tech and UVA a few years ago.

When our state fully realizes (it seems manchin gets it) that it is worth while to have to fully successful fully funded D-1 universities it can happen like in Virginia. If the state would just invest to a degree as it did in wvu........we'd have the facilities and be better prepared to fund it.

that would leave both schools better poised to profit from the rivalry and annual games........and allow MU to be better poised to make more money and self support itself through better conference affiliation........the benefits snowball from their for MU and the state...........

Garbanjo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2005, 02:32:55 PM »

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To do this we need to build an IPF, a Baseball stadium with 500 seats. Upgrade the soccer field with field turf, and maybe gut the CAM out and redo it inside.

We need an IPF and a baseball field ASAP. As for our other facilities, they are in good enough shape. The soccer field is good and the Cam does not need to be redone inside...............

Marco · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2005, 02:38:16 PM »

no kidding. the CAM is the least of our worries. do a little work on the bb offices and related.......that's it.

IPF and baseball........I'd be happy.

HuntersvilleHerd · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2005, 04:59:48 PM »

I think we just did that 4 years ago at a cost of a few million..

Flat Tire · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2005, 05:15:01 PM »

Can we say hoax? I can't believe anyone would think the information is legitimate.

marshallmark · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2005, 05:19:09 PM »

The Cam is not the problem -- have you seen the dumps that are standard equipment in the Big East? WVU has one of the nicest facilities, but a lot of the others are glorified gyms.

I think that our problems getting into the Big East (there's no other place to go -- certainly not the Big 10, ACC or SEC) are (in order of importance):

1) Facilities for everything OTHER than football and b'ball
2) Academics (or perception thereof) including the 'regional' nature of the University
3) WVU's negativity (notwithstanding the minutes of the Big East meeting floating around)
4) Finances (not much room to grow)
5) History of problems with the NCAA
6) Lack of seperate media/fan base from WVU

So..what do you do? Start with fixing #1, which helps in C-USA anyway. Work hard to enhance #2 (another reason to have an academician at the head of MU, instead of a lawyer). Foster relationships with WVU, with the help of the current Governor. Lobby hard to keep #4 from killing #1 and #2 progress. #5 and #6 will come with time if the first 4 are overcome.

WallyHerd · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2005, 05:46:02 PM »

There is no doubt these minutes are legit. 1st released on BC board. Fredom of information act. Lawsuit between BC/UConn apparently brought this on. What possible reason would anyone have to create such a hoax? The sentence about MU and Hardesty is about 1/100th of the information in these minutes and are insignificant in the overall theme of the minutes. Take it for what it's worth, but a hoax it is not.

Blade · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2005, 06:00:12 AM »

We have a long way to go and definately need some help from the state. A state that has trouble supporting itself, let alone its educational infrastructure. We'll have to rely on a lottery commission that is more concerned with its growth instead of the state's.

Most of us would say that uspam is spoiled but in the scheme of the BE, they're hanging on by a thread as budgets go.

2003 Budget figures for football schools...

Rutgers $34M
UConn $33M
Louisville $31M
Syracuse $26M
Pitt $25M
WVU $22M
Cincinnati $20M
USF $19M

Marshall $14M

That's per year folks. The Big Green had it's best year ever in 2004 and just grossed around $2M. That's nearly double of our 2000 figure but even with that, only 3K of the nearly 100K alumni are Big Green members. Only 3 PERCENT! So, even if we are the die hard fans, on this board, it seems unlikely that more that 12%(4X) of us actually give. We can talk about becoming Notre Dame all we want but until we put up, expect to see similar support in the next round.

W0lfman · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2005, 08:13:41 PM »

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Wolf, we don't have the archives in place do we? I want to do an "I told ya so" on this one.

I moved it there with a few others.

carolinaherdfan · « **Reply #22 on:** March 05, 2005, 09:36:00 PM »

We need the baseball complex immediately. We need to upgrade the Joan, and our academics. I personally believe we need a few more seats than 500 so we could conceivably host a playoff situation.

What we need most is a proactive University, that reaches out to everyone in the state, and tri-state for funding, and attendance. Let us become dependant upon one another. I believe the example President Farrell just completed in Ashland, Ky is a model, and a good starting point.

We need money, and if we would just start making everyone feel important, and they realized how much we are counting on them they will help out. People, want to participate in success. MU has that going on, and if we would just move out of our comfort zone to the unknown we can count on new help. I am willing to bet on this. Its just human nature.

It is virtually unknown what we can accomplish.

Doesn't anyone from the University have a clue? One of you guys, or gal's knock someone on the head up there in Huntington.

GO THUNDERINGHERD!

carolinaherdfan · « **Reply #23 on:** March 05, 2005, 09:41:09 PM »

WVU, and Hardesty is about as serious about helping MU, as Osama Bin is about helping build the Memorial in New York City, New York.

GO THUNDERINGHERD!

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