Topic: Hoops practice

[herdorbust]

No don’t enjoy the loss. But I think all the stuff that has been posted on this site about the basketball program is fair to challenge. Just like Doc and the football program that is under attack....constantly. Everybody should have the right to question information posted on the site.

When Doc accomplishes what Danny has, let me know. Nothing equals going to the dance and advancing to the second round. Teams have gotten better every year. And you are basing this off ONE game? What about a complete dumpster fire of 3-9????? It happens just like one poster said, Duke lost in the Championship game to UNLV by 30. You see a team lose in MLB 22-3 everyone once in awhile, it happens. So after one game you and a few others are challenging practice reports like some did last year and the year before. They all are improving daily and maybe not to the point we can beat Golden St. Sometimes things all just happen at once. Jon was very sick a couple days ago and on top of that we had the worst shooting night we could have possibly have. On the flip side Maryland played the best game of the year. We also for the totally lost our composure and things just spiraled. Yes we have some work to do. But we are not near as bad as it looked last night. We beat NC AT and MSM as bad or worse than Maryland did. Sometimes games like this happens. It happens and you see it all the time at every level and every sport. But i'm glad you seem to enjoy it and are proud to call some of us out like we are idiots. But I will GUARANTEE you one thing. You will never get another report from me EVER on here and I promise you that. And i'm sorry for some but posters like you are just waiting in the trenches to blast us. And they can thank you and a very few others for it.

[Ninegate]

That's a fair point but come on, we lost a game. I said it in another post but lets not hit the emergency button until this thing turns into a 3 game skid.

I agree and I’m not hitting the button. But let’s be fair. Read some of the post in this thread and honestly tell me they match up with what you have seen so far on the court. But if those post were challenge when they were first put up it would have been blasphemy. There have been some incredible statements made on basketball that could be hard to back up. Hope I’m wrong.

[herdorbust]

I agree and I’m not hitting the button. But let’s be fair. Read some of the post in this thread and honestly tell me they match up with what you have seen so far on the court. But if those post were challenge when they were first put up it would have been blasphemy. There have been some incredible statements made on basketball that could be hard to back up. Hope I’m wrong.

So you are saying we was just lucky against a top 15 Wichita St team? And even getting there?

[Ninegate]

When Doc accomplishes what Danny has, let me know. Nothing equals going to the dance and advancing to the second round. Teams have gotten better every year. And you are basing this off ONE game? What about a complete dumpster fire of 3-9????? It happens just like one poster said, Duke lost in the Championship game to UNLV by 30. You see a team lose in MLB 22-3 everyone once in awhile, it happens. So after one game you and a few others are challenging practice reports like some did last year and the year before. They all are improving daily and maybe not to the point we can beat Golden St. Sometimes things all just happen at once. Jon was very sick a couple days ago and on top of that we had the worst shooting night we could have possibly have. On the flip side Maryland played the best game of the year. We also for the totally lost our composure and things just spiraled. Yes we have some work to do. But we are not near as bad as it looked last night. We beat NC AT and MSM as bad or worse than Maryland did. Sometimes games like this happens. It happens and you see it all the time at every level and every sport. But i'm glad you seem to enjoy it and are proud to call some of us out like we are idiots. But I will GUARANTEE you one thing. You will never get another report from me EVER on here and I promise you that. And i'm sorry for some but posters like you are just waiting in the trenches to blast us. And they can thank you and a very few others for it.

If you post it then own up to it. Open practice is a two edge sword that may come back to haunt the program. That’s why most college coaches do not have open practice. The information on the players should come from the coach or his director of basketball. If our games end up in legalized gambling operations then information on the players health or practice performance coming from sources other that the university could be a powder keg waiting to blow. Just my humble opinion.

[herdorbust]

If you post it then own up to it. Open practice is a two edge sword that may come back to haunt the program. That’s why most college coaches do not have open practice. The information on the players should come from the coach or his director of basketball. If our games in end up in legalized gambling operations then information on the players health or practice performance coming from sources other that the university could be a powder keg waiting to blow. Just my humble opinion.

WOW never knew going to practice was such a bad thing. Thank you very much for the help.

[Ninegate]

WOW never knew going to practice was such a bad thing. Thank you very much for the help.

Going to practice is not. But posting information on the players health, injuries and performance in practice is not a good policy for the basketball program. This is an open forum that anyone’s eyes can see. Maybe this type of information should be on a paid site at the least.

[herdorbust]

Going to practice is not. But posting information on the players health, injuries and performance in practice is not a good policy for the basketball program. This is an open forum that anyone’s eyes can see. Maybe this type of information should be on a paid site at the least.

Did you see anything about Jon until after the game?

[coalherd]

Herdorbust, the practice reports can only describe how well the players are looking against other players on the Herd.  Doesn't relate at all to how they perform against OTHER players in game situations, players who may be just as talented, or more talented, than any the Herd players see in daily practices.

When it comes to coaching them up, no doubt Danny has done that overall, as reflected in the team's record, which, you note, has improved yearly.  But you have to start with the base talent itself.  Only so much coaching can improve the innate talent.  When the talent gap is great, like last night, the result we saw is a distinct possibility.  Hell, Maryland's key players were freshmen and sophs.  Don't think Coach Turgeon (sp) of the Terps has had time to "coach em up", much. 

Key for Coach D and the Herd is to continually raise that "base" of talent he has to work with, season after season.  This year, we saw a little of social media highlights of some of our new recruits doing stunt dunks, etc., etc.  But, as I recall, we NEVER saw in the media just how many other D1 programs were really, really recruiting these players, did we?  How many LEGIT D1 offers did Byers have?  Sustic?  Bennett?  On down the line.  Going back we probably know that Nikolic, Milan, maybe Dozic, had few, if any, other D1 offers.  I'm sure Kinsey had offers, the red shirt frosh too.  Not so sure that Dillon didn't have more in football than in basketball.

Just saying that practice reports indicating how great everyone looks, how well they are doing, etc., need to be tempered with the reality of the fact that Danny is not dealing with a squad full of McDonald's All Americans.  That fact every now and then produces results like the Maryland game.

That said, its back to work.  A down William & Mary (1-4 currently) at the CAM should be what the doctor ordered and a winnable road game at OU next week should get everyone back on track, and on the band wagon!!!

[goherd24]

Yeah, we have to soundly beat W&M, turns out they are really bad. Then OU will be another solid road test. After that, gave another Big 4 coming up. I figured on beating Duquesne and A&M, losing to Va and Maryland, given all on the road and early. So as I said, if we could go 8-3 going into conference play outside of the firsr 4 games, we are going really well.

[parshall2marshall]

Both Duquesne and aTm ( given their tough schedule ) will be tough road games. Winnable but tough. We've got some tests and chances to prove ourselves ahead.

[coalherd]

Well, its going to be a long season.  Doesn't look like the conference has any standout teams head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.  ODU looks offensively challenged.  North Texas is winning but are they playing anybody?  Note that today WKU, now 3-3, lost by about 9 or 10 at Indiana State and scored something like 53 or 54 points.

Right now agree if MU can get 8, 9 or so OOC wins we should be in decent shape for a good overall regular season!!

[GreenWhite]

Open or closed practices doesn't matter a whole lot, IMHO. Other coaches know exactly what kind of team we have. It is no secret. But, I think if Danny is going to rip the team, it should be done with nobody but the team there. So, if that means he has to close practice on Sunday, so be it. I just feel he has already addressed the play of last night. I just feel that come Wednesday night, we will see this team ready to go.

[Herdmeister]

Open or closed practices doesn't matter a whole lot, IMHO. Other coaches know exactly what kind of team we have. It is no secret. But, I think if Danny is going to rip the team, it should be done with nobody but the team there. So, if that means he has to close practice on Sunday, so be it. I just feel he has already addressed the play of last night. I just feel that come Wednesday night, we will see this team ready to go.

Danny was to have given them off today and Sunday. Next practice is Monday and Tuesday at 2:30.
He never gets into discipline type issues in public. They spend 30-40 mins watching film everyday in they classroom.. He would do any of that while in there.

[GreenWhite]

Danny was to have given them off today and Sunday. Next practice is Monday and Tuesday at 2:30.
He never gets into discipline type issues in public. They spend 30-40 mins watching film everyday in they classroom.. He would do any of that while in there.

I thought I saw in another post where they were practicing on Sunday. My bad on that.