Topic: Hoops practice

[goherd24]

As long as the top teams in CUSA take care of things OOC then we will get 2 bids imo.

Of course, but we have all failed to do that, pretty much always.

[chris88]

Leagues OOC wins make the CUSA games worth more because your RPI or whatever they use will be higher.  At end of day if you are on bubble your resume has to be better than the teams you are on the bubble with... and those are usually other non-power teams.  MTSU lost to the two best OOC teams they played and the power teams they beat finished in last 2 spots in SEC standings.  When comparing them with others on bubble they didn't stack up.  Losing early in CSUA tourney and twice to MU didn't help them either.

I still think getting neutral site early season games is best way to win vs power teams or even good non-power conf. teams.  Winning at Md, UVA, Texas AM etc are almost always going to be upsets due to their HC advantage.

[MUsince96]

With the recent announcement of the Toledo and W&M games announced to be on stadium local markets does that mean you can only view it locally on tv or can you also view it online?

I believe they will only be on local TV. Unless WCHS happens to stream it through their website. I don't think it will be on the Stadium website, or app but I could be wrong.

I'm sure Herd Vision will also be an option.

[BHFIOHIO]

three straight yrs CUSA prevails vs a much higher ranked team in 1st round NCAAs. 3 diff CUSA teams too! Says something I figure.

[herdorbust]

three straight yrs CUSA prevails vs a much higher ranked team in 1st round NCAAs. 3 diff CUSA teams too! Says something I figure.

And when mtsu beat mich st, mich st was picked by most to go to final 4.

[GreenWhite]

I would love to see CUSA get two bids. But, even if the conference does good with OOC games, the committee will come up with something so that a 10th ACC, Big Ten, SEC etc team gets in and CUSA only get one team in the dance. What these people do not realize is that, in the tournament, fans like seeing upsets and Cinderella's. I enjoyed the tournament last year after we lost because of Loyola not because a blue blood was still in the tournament. The two years Butler went to the finals were fantastic for me and I am sure many others.

[chris88]

three straight yrs CUSA prevails vs a much higher ranked team in 1st round NCAAs. 3 diff CUSA teams too! Says something I figure.

Very true and most people realize that there is good basketball in CUSA as conference has proven they can win in NCAA tourney.  Problem is you are not going to get in on potential....you have to beat people OOC in regular season and play well in your league to earn your ticket to an at-large bid. The league as a whole has done a lousy job scheduling OOC imo.  I would say ideally you would play 3-4 OOC games at power schools, 3-4 games on home/home type arrangements with the best non-power league teams you can, and 3-4 games in an early season neutral site tourney that has power and non-power conf represented.

The NCAA tourney committee has done a decent job rewarding non power league teams that play and beat a portion of tough OOC scheduling.  They screw them with seeding but that's a whole different argument.

[pembrook burrows III]

Actually, 4 straight years.

UAB over Iowa State.
MTSU over Michigan State
MTSU over Minnesota
Herd over Wichita State

[Herdmeister]

Actually, 4 straight years.

UAB over Iowa State.
MTSU over Michigan State
MTSU over Minnesota
Herd over Wichita State

I believe I heard the commissioner say at the media event that is it 5 of the last 6 years.

[Herd2believe]

Looking for Williams to make a Penava-like jump this year.

[herdorbust]

Team scrimmaged the whole practice today.

[Garbanjo]

Team scrimmaged the whole practice today.

What did you see man?

Thanks!

[herdorbust]

What did you see man?

Thanks!

Jon was in one of his zones. He was draining 27-28 footers. And Murphy can flat out play for a walk on. Kinsey is going to be playing a lot. Kinsey, wtson and george will get a lot of minutesoff the bench. Susticwill come in for bennett if we are playing any size. And beyerswill also get plenty of time. But kinsey, Watson and george will get the most minutes off the bench imo.

[Luke80]

I believe I heard the commissioner say at the media event that is it 5 of the last 6 years.

Memphis did win a first rounder in 2013, but it was not an upset. They were a 6 seed and beat St Mary's (11 seed) by two in a game the Tigers very nearly blew in Memphis NCAA style.  They then got blown out by Michigan State.

[Garbanjo]

Jon was in one of his zones. He was draining 27-28 footers. And Murphy can flat out play for a walk on. Kinsey is going to be playing a lot. Kinsey, wtson and george will get a lot of minutesoff the bench. Susticwill come in for bennett if we are playing any size. And beyerswill also get plenty of time. But kinsey, Watson and george will get the most minutes off the bench imo.

Thanks man!

[coalherd]

This idea about 2 bids, maybe even more, for CUSA to me hinges on one key factor to me.  MU and WKU, perhaps, BOTH have to WIN some of their OOC games against POWER opponents this season.  We have 3, all on the road.  However, Texas A&M lost a lot of big time, and physically BIG, talent from last year and is predicted far down in the SEC.  Maryland is formidable, but doesn't appear to be overwhelmingly superior, given the Herd's overall talent.  And who can say about UVA, since we playing them with their students gone during the holidays.  Can you say UMBC? 

As for Western, they do have a chance for some eye raising OOC victories, since they are playing in a neutral site early season tourney.  Have a chance to play Huggy's guys if they beat Valpo in their first game. 

Make no mistake.  CUSA's better teams need VICTORIES, not close calls, not "moral" victories, in their OOC name games this season!!!!!

[saherdfan]

WKU

http://wkusports.com/news/2018/8/27/mens-basketball-hilltoppers-announce-full-2018-19-basketball-schedule.aspx

The schedule also includes many challenges on the road, including trips to Washington, Arkansas and Belmont, and three games in the Myrtle Beach Invitational.

[goherd24]

Very true and most people realize that there is good basketball in CUSA as conference has proven they can win in NCAA tourney.  Problem is you are not going to get in on potential....you have to beat people OOC in regular season and play well in your league to earn your ticket to an at-large bid. The league as a whole has done a lousy job scheduling OOC imo.  I would say ideally you would play 3-4 OOC games at power schools, 3-4 games on home/home type arrangements with the best non-power league teams you can, and 3-4 games in an early season neutral site tourney that has power and non-power conf represented.

The NCAA tourney committee has done a decent job rewarding non power league teams that play and beat a portion of tough OOC scheduling.  They screw them with seeding but that's a whole different argument.

I don't really mind the seeding honestly. You either win the title or yoh don't, while its cool to stay you got to the sweet sixteen, elite 8=1, etc, eventually you have to beat those teams to win. I woumd relish a chance to put a Duke or UNC out in the first round. Iron sharpens Iron.

[chris88]

It is not just the seeding itself but the matchups and where the games are played.  MU's biggest issue last year was rebounding and they pitted them against 2 of the better rebounding teams in Wichita and WVU.  Go back to Wichita's undefeated regular season where they had them play a loaded KY team in rd 2 who had some regular season struggles but everyone knew was a much better team than an 8 seed.  That UK team went all the way to the title game.  Niether of those 2 scenarios were by accident imo. After watching and looking closely at the brackets for several years there is no doubt in my mind that they create the bracket in a way that disadvantages mid-majors....especially those considered dangerous.  I doubt they even considered the UMBC team, but in general, I fully believe they create toughest matchups possible for the have nots, especially in first two rounds.  After that, as you say, you're going to be playing great teams either way.

[herdfan129]

ODU is the other possibility to earn an At Large bid.

Hopefully WKU or Marshall does enough in OOC and conference play to earn a bid and the other wins the tournament lol

[Herdmeister]

ODU is the other possibility to earn an At Large bid.

Hopefully WKU or Marshall does enough in OOC and conference play to earn a bid and the other wins the tournament lol

True. With two 7 footers coming in as graduate transfer and Caver, Carver and BJ returning, they will be tough.

[herdfan129]

True. With two 7 footers coming in as graduate transfer and Caver, Carver and BJ returning, they will be tough.

This conference will be even better this year imo.

Marshall, WKU, and ODU should be the top teams in no particular order.

UAB, North Texas and UTSA should be solid.

MTSU got a new coach but I don't think they will fall as hard as most people think.

Pretty sure UTEP also got a new HC. They have a storied program and averaging over 6k/game through losing seasons. They won't stay down long.

Charlotte has history. I know its from long ago but they still have it. I've been disappointed in them for sure.

F_U will prob stink as usual.

[2xBison]

I think MTSU drops to bottom third of league


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[CoachSkip]

I think MTSU drops to bottom third of league


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I agree

[herdorbust]

Bennett just broke a rim at practice. Jon and cj had a very good practice. Again we are just so much deeper and longer than last year. Cant wait for tomorrow to see us against some one else.