Topic: 75/Elmore

[DC01HERD]

Elmore's double figure streak ended at 75.

Everything is connected at Marshall. We will regroup.

Beat FIU.

[herd1986]

Wow


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[GreenWhite]

Was going to come to an end sooner or later. With him being sick, last night was the night. Start another streak and keep it going until the last game, whenever that will be.

[JReese]

Was going to come to an end sooner or later. With him being sick, last night was the night. Start another streak and keep it going until the last game, whenever that will be.

For the record....jannson was very sick as well. just sayin

[Herdalum83]

For the record....jannson was very sick as well. just sayin

This is like the 3rd thread you posted this in. I understand you're very proud of how Jannson played and you should be. This is the type of game he is capable of and we need him to have more frequently especially this season.  But constantly reminding everyone that he was also sick and still out performed Elmore and the other sick guys in multiple threads is coming across to me very negatively. Almost, like, you want to rub it in that they couldn't suck it up and play and perform as Jannson did. I don't think that's how you mean it based on other posts you've made while you've been on the board. But, just thought maybe you should know how it could be perceived.

[JReese]

This is like the 3rd thread you posted this in. I understand you're very proud of how Jannson played and you should be. This is the type of game he is capable of and we need him to have more frequently especially this season.  But constantly reminding everyone that he was also sick and still out performed Elmore and the other sick guys in multiple threads is coming across to me very negatively. Almost, like, you want to rub it in that they couldn't suck it up and play and perform as Jannson did. I don't think that's how you mean it based on other posts you've made while you've been on the board. But, just thought maybe you should know how it could be perceived.

I appreciate your response and respect your opinion. Yes I’m very proud of Jannson. My intention was like you thought. It was to let people know that sometimes you just have to suck it up and do your job. My intention was NOT to say he outperformed Jon. That won’t happen because this entire offense is run for Jon and CJ plain and simple. The others get what they can get. I was just reading about Jon being sick ....... in the multiple threads I posted in. If people were attributing a part of Jon’s performance to him being sick then let’s equal the playing field and say that shouldn’t have been an issue because they both were sick. What it boils down to is Jon had a bad game and Jannson didn’t. Plain and simple. They will both have good games and bad games. That’s basketball.

[CoachSkip]

I appreciate your response and respect your opinion. Yes I’m very proud of Jannson. My intention was like you thought. It was to let people that sometimes you just have to suck it up and do your job. My intention was NOT to say he outperformed Jon. That won’t happen because this entire offense is run for Jon and CJ plain and simple. The others get what they can get. I was just reading about Jon being sick ....... in the multiple threads I posted in. If people were attributing a part of Jon’s performance to him being sick then let’s equal the playing field and say that shouldn’t have been an issue because they both were sick. What it boils down to is Jon had a bad game and Jannson didn’t. Plain and simple. They will both have good games and bad games. That’s basketball.

And odds are , we WILL lose another game , sick or healthy .

[parshall2marshall]

With this Hulu network I have been watching a little college basketball. The size and athleticism I have been seeing out there tell me we are going to lose several more. We need a couple guys in the front court to step up. Sustic and/or Beyers and/or IB.

I hope we hold those losses to a minimum and win CUSA.

[bighat]

Actually, I don't like the loss but I like us getting it now, if that makes sense.  We now know what it takes to play with the big boys.  We need to pick ourselves up, dust our selves off and start playing ball the way we are capable of doing.

[Garbanjo]

With this Hulu network I have been watching a little college basketball. The size and athleticism I have been seeing out there tell me we are going to lose several more. We need a couple guys in the front court to step up. Sustic and/or Beyers and/or IB.

I hope we hold those losses to a minimum and win CUSA.

We are terribly weak up front. Iran and Sustic should be pretty good by tourney time but we are going to take lumps while those two develop and learn the system.

Losing Penava was a massive blow........

Go Herd!

[Herdalum94]

 "My intention was NOT to say he outperformed Jon. That won’t happen because this entire offense is run for Jon and CJ plain and simple. The others get what they can get."
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#1 He did outplay Jon and CJ but that's been how many times in the past 2 years that's happened??

#2 The offense should be designed around Jon and CJ as they are the 2 best players and have earned that right.  Hopefully Jannson will continue to have performances like that and next year they can design the offense maybe around him and George.  I love Jannson as much as anyone just sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder as I've noticed it in a few of your threads at different times concerning mainly Jon. Maybe I'm reading it wrong maybe not.  Hopefully Jannson has found his stroke now as he hadnt previously but to act like he's an all world player and should be the focus of the offense and Jon isn't or shouldn't be  is downright shameful as well as disrespectful. I get that he's your Step son but let's compare apples to apples here. 

[HaveUherd]

How about we get info on the whole team being sick before the game next time for those of us that put a few bucks on the games lol

[JReese]

My intention was NOT to say he outperformed Jon. That won’t happen because this entire offense is run for Jon and CJ plain and simple. The others get what they can get.



#1 He did outplay Jon and CJ but that's been how many times in the past 2 years that's happened??

#2 The offense should be designed around Jon and CJ as they are the 2 best players and have earned that right.  Hopefully Jannson will continue to have performances like that and next year they can design the offense maybe around him and George.  I love Jannson as much as anyone just sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder as I've noticed it in a few of your threads at different times concerning mainly Jon. Maybe I'm reading it wrong maybe not.  Hopefully Jannson has found his stroke now as he hadnt previously but to act like he's an all world player and should be the focus of the offense and Jon isn't or shouldn't be  is downright shameful as well as disrespectful. I get that he's your Step son but let's compare apples to apples hear.

Thank you for your response and I respect your opinion as well. I have no objections to the offense's first two options are to look for Jon and CJ.........at all. Where I start to have a problem is when the offense ONLY looks at Jon or CJ.........or the first person down the floor for that matter. Run our offense and take the best shot not necessarily the FIRST shot. That is all I'm saying. I don't have anything against Jon. I have something against ANY player (even if it were Jannson) who didnt have a hot hand and tried to FORCE bad percentage shots/drives when they have four other options to look for on their own team. The "chip" i have on my shoulder is for the entire team. They (Jannson included) sometimes seem to panic and throw up the first open shot they have regardless if there is even any other teammate on their side of the court....much less under the basket. I've been at enough practices to see that we have an offense. We should at least give it a shot.

[Herdalum94]

Thank you for your clarification and including Jannson in that as well. I respect your opinion as well.  Still early hopefully we'll continue to get better and gel more as a whole team as 1 person can't win a game by themselves. I once saw Jordan score 50 and the bulls still got beat.

[HoPPy785]

Thank you for your response and I respect your opinion as well. I have no objections to the offense's first two options are to look for Jon and CJ.........at all. Where I start to have a problem is when the offense ONLY looks at Jon or CJ.........or the first person down the floor for that matter. Run our offense and take the best shot not necessarily the FIRST shot. That is all I'm saying. I don't have anything against Jon. I have something against ANY player (even if it were Jannson) who didnt have a hot hand and tried to FORCE bad percentage shots/drives when they have four other options to look for on their own team. The "chip" i have on my shoulder is for the entire team. They (Jannson included) sometimes seem to panic and throw up the first open shot they have regardless if there is even any other teammate on their side of the court....much less under the basket. I've been at enough practices to see that we have an offense. We should at least give it a shot.

Your point about the offense not being ran seemed very apparent last game and Dan said as much. I feel like last season we started to hit our stride once the offense started to click properly. Seems like anytime we get down big the offensive ball movement completely falls apart. That's been an issue for years now. Not sure who is responsible for that, maybe Dan isn't getting the guys recomposed properly in those situations. He seems to have the attitude of letting the guys figure it out. Succeed together, fail together. Maybe that builds a mentally tougher team by end of season but creates struggles early?

[Herdalum83]

We as a team panicked, plain and simple. A couple of things went against us after we had went on an 8-0 run to cut it back to 2, one of those things being a ticky-tack third foul on Williams and we lost our collective head as a team and started pressing, throwing up the first semi open shot we had and quit running our offense which is designed around a constantly moving, "athletic" ball. We allowed the ball to be dead and not move, just flinging up prayers. We shoot a lot of 3s, it's our identity. But there is a difference between the two of 3s we are shooting when running our offense and what we shot for the most part against Maryland. Once we had a couple bad breaks and %^&* down our legs things snow balled. Like Beyers really bad and illtimed foul before the half. Too veteran of a team to lose ourselves like that over a few bad breaks.

[coalherd]

Some comments on the above.  First, Coach D talked in depth about the Maryland game on his radio show tonight.  Admitted that we miss Penava's interior game.  Said he could, last year, put Adjin and 4 guards on the floor and feel pretty good about it in most games.  Can't, right now, do the same.  Says we have no real experienced player at Penava's slot.  Sustic and Byers new to the program.  Bennett gives minutes but weight/conditioning limits his minutes.  Danny said Bennett was working hard in practice today and understands he needs to give more and Coach said as the Coach he has to have patience with Iran (and with the other newer bigs also).  Danny did laud Jansson's play, but again noted he is a little shorter, and arms not nearly as long, compared to Penava.  Danny said his, Williams, offensive play was outstanding against the Terps, noting he was 9 for 10 from the floor, or maybe 9 for 11.

Then, too, Coach said he is probably going to have to decide whether to play Darrius on the inside, or out on the perimeter.  Says he needs to do so to allow George to concentrate on one position, instead of trying to play at multiple slots.  Finally, Coach commented that, while not stating affirmatively that Jon was "sick", he, Elmore said that his legs were "heavy" at the Maryland game.

The comment by JReese is the first I've heard about Jansson's illness.  Hopefully, both he and Jon are feeling much better, health wise, and will be close to full speed Wednesday night.

JReese, I hope that, playing wise, Jansson is as "sick" in our 2 games this week as he was the other night in Maryland, if you know what I mean!!  ;)

One night this season, and hopefully against one of the better teams on our schedule, I predict that Jon, C.J. AND Jansson (and maybe another player or two) are ALL going to go off offensively like Williams did versus the Terps!!  Wouldn't want to be the Herd opponent that night!!