Topic: Freshman Green vs Freshman Cato

[MicDrass1]

*2011
QB Cato
13 games
182 compl
304 attempts
59.9 %
2059
6.8
6.1
15 tds
11 int

57 rushes for 32 yards
125.8rating

QB Green
2,020 yard
14 TDs
9 Int
8 games played
6-1 as starter
56% completion
53 yards rushing
128.8 rating


Cato's Freshman Schedule
9/4
@West Virginia
L 34-13
15
21
115
71.4
26
0
0
117.4
2
3
1.5
10
0
47.1
62.7
9/10

Southern Mississippi
W 26-20
27
42
275
64.3
39
3
2
133.3
7
5
0.7
8
0
40.1
47.1
9/17

@Ohio
L 44-7
9
21
116
42.9
45
1
4
66.9
2
-6
-3.0
1
0
6.9
6.7
9/24

Virginia Tech
L 30-10
17
33
245
51.5
44
1
1
117.8
8
-12
-1.5
11
0
24.2
41.2
10/1

@Louisville
W 17-13
18
30
236
60.0
31
2
0
148.1
7
19
2.7
10
0
74.5
76.3
10/8

@UCF
L 16-6
11
29
87
37.9
24
0
0
63.1
4
6
1.5
7
0
5.8
9.4
10/15

Rice
W 24-20
2
4
1
50.0
6
0
0
52.1
0
0
0.0
0
0
7.1
3.8
10/22

@Houston
L 63-28
2
4
52
50.0
44
1
0
241.7
0
0
0.0
0
0
99.2
99.3
10/29

UAB
W 59-14
2
3
52
66.7
34
1
0
322.3
2
5
2.5
11
0
92.6
78.3
11/12

@Tulsa
L 59-17
16
26
163
61.5
35
1
1
119.2
7
2
0.3
10
0
26.1
35.8
11/17

@Memphis
W 23-22
13
23
150
56.5
44
1
2
108.3
7
8
1.1
9
0
25.6
13.8
11/26

East Carolina
W 34-27 (OT)
23
29
341
79.3
77
2
0
200.8
8
-2
-0.3
8
0
87.8
81.8

BEEF 'O' BRADY'S BOWL ST. PETERSBURG
12/20
Florida Intl
W 20-10
27
39
226
69.2
35
2
1
129.7
3
4
1.3
7
0
39.4
39.0

[Buffalo Bop]

Interesting comparison after Green playing 11 games.

[Buffalo Bop]

Actually, Green playing about 7-8 games

[MicDrass1]

Had not been for injury looking closes to 3k freshman passing season.  I do feel Cato played a tougher schedule.

[bbcard1]

I think Cato and Green are quite comparable as freshmen.  If Green develops into the next Cato, we will have happy days for the next three years.

[MicDrass1]

Green will need more weapons and better ol play to do that.  Cato was super special. 

[lexkyherdfan]

Green will need more weapons and better ol play to do that.  Cato was super special.

Cato became super special.  He wasn’t all that as a freshman nayed well but made plenty of mistakes.  He grew as a QB and whether any want to admit it Bill Legg and a Doc helped him. Cato says it himself. Green can do the same. He makes freshman mistakes which are not unusual.  He just has to work hard and he will be fine.

[MicDrass1]

They are not the same player.  Green needs new schemes.  He can be a Teddy Bridgewater type qb throwing but not as athletic running.  He needs to be taught the pocket.  That's one thing our qbs never do.  Move through and laterally in the pocket.  Cato had the best hs film out of any qb signed by Holliday.  I watched and told everyone probably on this board that he was going to be special when he committed.  The hurry up got him going and it was the right call by coaches to do that.  Credit to them for maxing him.  However, Cato was driven and just wired differently.  Green has a nice couple really tight 4th q drives for wins.  He's got some moxxy!   

[svherd]

I think they are very similar. If Green works hard, learns our scheme and learns to extend plays with his legs, he can have a similar career as Cato as well. Hopefully he can make a nice jump from his Freshmen to Sophomore season.

[MicDrass1]

I think they are very similar. If Green works hard, learns our scheme and learns to extend plays with his legs, he can have a similar career as Cato as well. Hopefully he can make a nice jump from his Freshmen to Sophomore season.

Green is not a runner.  We need to change things up on offense some.

[HoPPy785]

I think Green catches too much flack. He is a rs-freshman. If he develops then he could break records here. For what it's worth Rockhead stated Green would be the best we've had when all said and done.

[MUHERD1]

Totally different players. IMO You could see the “it” factor in Cato from the start, although he needed a lot of taming. Green is a good player but I don’t see anything close to the same sort of “it” playmaking ability. Green could be very good statistically if he can figure out how to throw the ball better.

[MicDrass1]

Totally different players. IMO You could see the “it” factor in Cato from the start, although he needed a lot of taming. Green is a good player but I don’t see anything close to the same sort of “it” playmaking ability. Green could be very good statistically if he can figure out how to throw the ball better.

I do not believe freshman Cato had game winning drive in the 4th unless he did it at Loserville?

[MUHERD1]

I do not believe freshman Cato had game winning drive in the 4th unless he did it at Loserville?

Yes, Louisville was won on a TD in the last two minutes. Either way, I don’t believe that’s a make or break stat.

[clovenhoof]

Totally different players. IMO You could see the “it” factor in Cato from the start, although he needed a lot of taming. Green is a good player but I don’t see anything close to the same sort of “it” playmaking ability. Green could be very good statistically if he can figure out how to throw the ball better.

Yep!

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[MicDrass1]

Yes, Louisville was won on a TD in the last two minutes. Either way, I don’t believe that’s a make or break stat.

Not make or break but a very important one.  NFL uses this stat to measure the best qbs vs each other.  Green made the run today that sealed the game.  Cato could have made that run.  Cramsey is doing a nice job putting wrs and rbs in position for check downs (Chad's favorite nfl play).  Green needs to scan the field better and use them quickly. 

[Scottyo614]

Catos freshman year at Marshall was not as good as some make it. I feel like people are putting some revisionist history based off his final three years. Fear the beard exisisted and then Louisville was a slug fest. OU was a beating. The D won southern miss when Gale killed Davis. Greens meltdown came at NC State and he handled it ok. Catos came at UCF and it got him benched till AJ got hurt. ECU and FIU were where you could see well maybe we have a good game manager. His sophomore year was the wow moment. I’m anxious to see what Green will do, because I really don’t see him as a game manager. It’s going to be boom or bust.

Not to mention we can compare WRs/TEs and id give the edge to Dobson, Antavious, T Evans, Shu and Gator among others. Also you could make the argument Catos line was significantly better. Jasperse, Scott, Jeffries (Rotating Neimyer) lots to compare.

[MicDrass1]

Cato was surrounded with a more talented offensive roster. 

[svherd]

Green is not a runner.  We need to change things up on offense some.

Cato wasn’t a runner either but by his Junior year, he gained confidence and learned to extend plays and get positive yardage with his legs. No, neither are a running QB by trait. It’s something Cato learned and hopefully Green will as well.

[wasbarryb]

Cato was surrounded with a more talented offensive roster.

Comparing past QBs to todays QBs is a classic unresolvable question. A much better question to be asking is contained in the second part of your statement.

Why isn’t the current QB surrounded by an equally talented roster if his coach is talented and successful? 2011 verses 2018 and the overall team isn't as good. That isn't the QB's fault.

[goherd24]

*2011
QB Cato
13 games
182 compl
304 attempts
59.9 %
2059
6.8
6.1
15 tds
11 int

57 rushes for 32 yards
125.8rating

QB Green
2,020 yard
14 TDs
9 Int
8 games played
6-1 as starter
56% completion
53 yards rushing
128.8 rating


Cato's Freshman Schedule
9/4
@West Virginia
L 34-13
15
21
115
71.4
26
0
0
117.4
2
3
1.5
10
0
47.1
62.7
9/10

Southern Mississippi
W 26-20
27
42
275
64.3
39
3
2
133.3
7
5
0.7
8
0
40.1
47.1
9/17

@Ohio
L 44-7
9
21
116
42.9
45
1
4
66.9
2
-6
-3.0
1
0
6.9
6.7
9/24

Virginia Tech
L 30-10
17
33
245
51.5
44
1
1
117.8
8
-12
-1.5
11
0
24.2
41.2
10/1

@Louisville
W 17-13
18
30
236
60.0
31
2
0
148.1
7
19
2.7
10
0
74.5
76.3
10/8

@UCF
L 16-6
11
29
87
37.9
24
0
0
63.1
4
6
1.5
7
0
5.8
9.4
10/15

Rice
W 24-20
2
4
1
50.0
6
0
0
52.1
0
0
0.0
0
0
7.1
3.8
10/22

@Houston
L 63-28
2
4
52
50.0
44
1
0
241.7
0
0
0.0
0
0
99.2
99.3
10/29

UAB
W 59-14
2
3
52
66.7
34
1
0
322.3
2
5
2.5
11
0
92.6
78.3
11/12

@Tulsa
L 59-17
16
26
163
61.5
35
1
1
119.2
7
2
0.3
10
0
26.1
35.8
11/17

@Memphis
W 23-22
13
23
150
56.5
44
1
2
108.3
7
8
1.1
9
0
25.6
13.8
11/26

East Carolina
W 34-27 (OT)
23
29
341
79.3
77
2
0
200.8
8
-2
-0.3
8
0
87.8
81.8

BEEF 'O' BRADY'S BOWL ST. PETERSBURG
12/20
Florida Intl
W 20-10
27
39
226
69.2
35
2
1
129.7
3
4
1.3
7
0
39.4
39.0

Trying to compare Green to Cato is a disgrace to Cato. Green can't hold Cato's jock strap.

[MicDrass1]

Just putting out the stats.  I do not think Green is better than Cato.  Can he be probably not.  But our offensive roster was much better in the Cato years.  Our program was in better shape during the Cato years.

[lexkyherdfan]

Just putting out the stats.  I do not think Green is better than Cato.  Can he be probably not.  But our offensive roster was much better in the Cato years.  Our program was in better shape during the Cato years.

Putting stats out is a great thing.  I like what you did.  Can we say Green is as good or better than cato as a freshman?  Well stats could be comparable.

 There is no way anybody on here could see Cato as a Senior by his freshman performance.  If a person could they would be coaching and not on here.  Green could develop quite well he now is on his second QB coach.  Things are different. I look forward to see how Green improves to next season.

[sardistim]

The stats are a somewhat fair comparison.  But why do we do this as Herd fans.  And I'm not just criticizing this thread, but the whole dissatisfaction with Green or Thomson -- which when Cato was a freshman it was him or AJ Graham.

Green has been 6-1 as a freshman starter.  We've all seen good MU QB's struggle somewhat as freshmen -- from Cato to Pennington.  The key will be how much does he grow as a So. and Jr.  Cato and Pennington did a lot.  Litton not so much, but he's at least good enough as a player to be on an NFL practice squad.

Regardless, Green's won the position.  He's our starter.  He's shown some promise.  Shown he's cool in tight games and can lead the last minute game-winning drive, or the late game saving drive.

Can we at least celebrate the potential and hold off on the criticism until and if he has a Litton sophomore slump?

[elginherd]

As much a Cato is missed, having a quick & slippery, intelligent slot receiver is something that has not been here since Shuler left.