Topic: In a stadium 90% empty...against the great power of FIU...

[BHFIOHIO]

I don’t think Jimmy QB from Miami Central asks about the enrollment or endowment of a school when he visits. He asks about facilities and support. In those areas we still lead. Dig?

I didnt mention endowment but I did say that 350 a month diff might make a diff to a kid like Cato who grew up poor.

And they dont need an indoor facility in south Fla.

[MicDrass1]

I don’t think Jimmy QB from Miami Central asks about the enrollment or endowment of a school when he visits. He asks about facilities and support. In those areas we still lead. Dig?

Old MAC Days any of these teams could or were ranked Top 25
Marshall
Toledo
Miami
NIU
BG
Western Mich

[wasbarryb]

Are we playing for a title next week? No. Doc is not getting it done.

Not only have we only had one championship in nine yeas, we've only been in the title game twice.


Those who say we're doing OK or saying next year year after year are as much a part of the problem as Doc is.

[lexkyherdfan]

Old MAC Days any of these teams could or were ranked Top 25
Marshall
Toledo
Miami
NIU
BG
Western Mich

How many were between 97-00?  Honest question.  I remember Pruett telling our fans if they want to watch a ranked team come watch Marshall. I don’t recall ever playing a MAC team during the first 4-5 years in the MAC against a ranked MAC team.

It kills some of you that we have a chance to win 10 despite our offensive woes. If you guys are that upset why are you even a fan?  Quit making yourself so miserable over wins. We could win 19 and all you will do is complain. 

[MicDrass1]

We were in mac past 2000

[lexkyherdfan]

We were in mac past 2000

Yes we were but the MAC award terrible until teams caught up with us. Took people like Rothlisberger and Charlie Frye to see it get better.  The teams from 97 until around 00 or 01 stood no chance of being ranked.  We were awesome but the competition was not good at all. If they were a team from I-AA would not have dominated as fast as we did.  The facts are we were much better equipped than the teams that were there when we got there.

[MicDrass1]

We were in mac past 2000

Ranked at seasons end in AP (doesn't account for other years ranked but fell out)
BG - 2003
Toledo - 2000, 2001
Miami - 2003
Marshall - 1999, 2002

NIU was knocking off P5 ooc as well as WMU.  Miami had a 2002 team ranked of almost ranked.  NIU win Cato's senior year ranks as Hollidays best win in my opinion.

[herdorbust]

In 1997 Toledo had a mid season ranking of #18, in 2000 they finished #25. Miami O finished #10 in 2003. Bowling Green finished the 2003 season ranked #23. I'm sure there were more rankings those days. But how many has this watered down CUSA got?

[MicDrass1]

Current CUSA team ever ranked in Final AP Poll

Rice -  6 times
Marshall - 3 times
S.Miss - 3 times
WKU - 1 times

2015 was last team in current CUSA to Finish Top 25 in AP (Wku #24)

[MicDrass1]

In 1997 Toledo had a mid season ranking of #18, in 2000 they finished #25. Miami O finished #10 in 2003. Bowling Green finished the 2003 season ranked #23. I'm sure there were more rankings those days. But how many has this watered down CUSA got?

I only included Final AP end of season rank.  Many other cases of Mac teams ranking at some point during season in AP

[herdorbust]

I only included Final AP end of season rank.  Many other cases of Mac teams ranking at some point during season in AP

I was just showing that the MAC when we were in it was as good and probably better than this bunch of misfits CUSA we play in now. And we have won one title since we have been here. and the last 6 years it has been gutted.

[lexkyherdfan]

I was just showing that the MAC when we were in it was as good and probably better than this bunch of misfits CUSA we play in now. And we have won one title since we have been here. and the last 6 years it has been gutted.

The MAC was terrible in the late 90s.  Whether they were better now or not irrelevant.  They were terrible. A team from I-AA had more talent and trout inlet blew out their teams. The MAC didn’t get to be better until around 2001 after we drug them up.  Anybody that thinks the MAC was good in that time is nuts. It was bad.

[lexkyherdfan]

In 1997 Toledo had a mid season ranking of #18, in 2000 they finished #25. Miami O finished #10 in 2003. Bowling Green finished the 2003 season ranked #23. I'm sure there were more rankings those days. But how many has this watered down CUSA got?

Ok so that is one team other than us ranked in the late 90s.  One. 

I am not saying CUSA is world beaters but those that think the MAC the first 3-4 years was good football is crazy.  It was bad. The MAC became a much better conference in the early 2000s.

[wasbarryb]

The MAC was terrible in the late 90s.  Whether they were better now or not irrelevant.  They were terrible. A team from I-AA had more talent and trout inlet blew out their teams. The MAC didn’t get to be better until around 2001 after we drug them up.  Anybody that thinks the MAC was good in that time is nuts. It was bad.

MAC then was bad and C-USA today is bad. Which is worse is a pointless argument.

The real point, and one you don't seem to get, is Marshall was good then and Marshall isn't now. Doesn't matter how much sunshine you try to pump, that is the problem and hiding from it only prolongs the mediocrity

[herdorbust]

Ok so that is one team other than us ranked in the late 90s.  One. 

I am not saying CUSA is world beaters but those that think the MAC the first 3-4 years was good football is crazy.  It was bad. The MAC became a much better conference in the early 2000s.

There were THREE ranked at one time or the other. And i quit searching. Mac was better hands down and there is your proof. This league cant sniff it.

[herdorbust]

my point is the mac was wveey bit as good. And how many championships did pruett have compared to now?

[lexkyherdfan]

MAC then was bad and C-USA today is bad. Which is worse is a pointless argument.

The real point, and one you don't seem to get, is Marshall was good then and Marshall isn't now. Doesn't matter how much sunshine you try to pump, that is the problem and hiding from it only prolongs the mediocrity

You are full of crap. Not once did or have I ever said Marshall wasn’t good.  Marshall was damn good.  But anybody that thinks the MAC was good the first four or five years are crazy. Just trying to point out the facts.  We were a I-AA team that entered a conference and ruled it.  A decent conference would not have let that happen. We entered the right conference. 

All I know is we won 8 games today and you guys can’t stand the fact that we have a good chance at winning 10.  Listen...I am not happy we are playing for a championship but sure as heck won’t complain about 8 possibly 10 wins. If you guys are that miserable at winning find another team. I have never seen people get so upset at wins.  It amazes me. Of course some of our fans also defend cheating we got caught doing.

Go look at any of my posts.  I have said I haven’t been happy but I sure as heck won’t whine and complain about wins.  It could be worse. But hey, I don’t let myself get so emotional over a win or loss. If that was the case then I would be complete net embarrassed and miserable at that showing on the basketball court last night.  That was a terrible display of basketball.

[herdorbust]

You are full of crap. Not once did or have I ever said Marshall wasn’t good.  Marshall was damn good.  But anybody that thinks the MAC was good the first four or five years are crazy. Just trying to point out the facts.  We were a I-AA team that entered a conference and ruled it.  A decent conference would not have let that happen. We entered the right conference. 

All I know is we won 8 games today and you guys can’t stand the fact that we have a good chance at winning 10.  Listen...I am not happy we are playing for a championship but sure as heck won’t complain about 8 possibly 10 wins. If you guys are that miserable at winning find another team. I have never seen people get so upset at wins.  It amazes me. Of course some of our fans also defend cheating we got caught doing.

Go look at any of my posts.  I have said I haven’t been happy but I sure as heck won’t whine and complain about wins.  It could be worse. But hey, I don’t let myself get so emotional over a win or loss. If that was the case then I would be complete net embarrassed and miserable at that showing on the basketball court last night.  That was a terrible display of basketball.

And what will 10 wins get you that 6 wins wouldnt? And guess what? That terrible display of basketball last night means nothing. We can still go play in the ncaa tournament if we win CUSA tournament. That is the difference. Football will always play in the cocoa puffs bowl regardless.

[wasbarryb]

You are full of crap. Not once did or have I ever said Marshall wasn’t good.  Marshall was damn good.  But anybody that thinks the MAC was good the first four or five years are crazy. Just trying to point out the facts.  We were a I-AA team that entered a conference and ruled it.  A decent conference would not have let that happen. We entered the right conference. 

All I know is we won 8 games today and you guys can’t stand the fact that we have a good chance at winning 10.  Listen...I am not happy we are playing for a championship but sure as heck won’t complain about 8 possibly 10 wins. If you guys are that miserable at winning find another team. I have never seen people get so upset at wins.  It amazes me. Of course some of our fans also defend cheating we got caught doing.

Go look at any of my posts.  I have said I haven’t been happy but I sure as heck won’t whine and complain about wins.  It could be worse. But hey, I don’t let myself get so emotional over a win or loss. If that was the case then I would be complete net embarrassed and miserable at that showing on the basketball court last night.  That was a terrible display of basketball.

You're happy being mediocre I’m not.

Probably says more about each of us than your offensive insult about me. .

[lexkyherdfan]

And what will 10 wins get you that 6 wins wouldnt? And guess what? That terrible display of basketball last night means nothing. We can still go play in the ncaa tournament if we win CUSA tournament. That is the difference. Football will always play in the cocoa puffs bowl regardless.

Winning is better than losing?  Stop watching football...all yeah I forgot you are one of the few that pits basketball vs football.

And as a basketball program we should be working harder on being a team that can get an at large bid and not worrying about getting there with only an at large bid. I am sorry if I expect our team to strive to be the best in both sports and not only blow smoke about one.  Never have I amsaid I was completely happy with our football program but I won’t complain about winning. I am sorry if I remember the Snyder years and only winning three a coupe years ago but hey that is just me.

[lexkyherdfan]

You're happy being mediocre I’m not.

Probably says more about each of us than your offensive insult about me. .

Did I say I was happy about being mediocre?  In fact I have said multiple times this yes I haven’t been happy. I just chose to not think the world is over because we have won 8 games.

Nothing offensive about you. You questioned my thinking and I just said you were full of crap. You haven’t read my thoughts on this team.  I just choose not to be miserable over winning like some.

I have said multiple times I am not happy we aren’t playing for the championship but we could win 10 games.  Why be miserable over that?  Serious question. Why be miserable?  Call up Hamrick and email him too about your displeasure. He has a decision to make after the season is over.  Whatever happens will happen.

All I know is the object of the game is to win and we have won 8. We failed miserably in two games and it sucks and cost us but I sure as heck won’t let it ruin my season.  Just like a miserable loss in hoops is not going to dampen my thoughts in the basketball season.

[herdorbust]

Winning is better than losing?  Stop watching football...all yeah I forgot you are one of the few that pits basketball vs football.

And as a basketball program we should be working harder on being a team that can get an at large bid and not worrying about getting there with only an at large bid. I am sorry if I expect our team to strive to be the best in both sports and not only blow smoke about one.  Never have I amsaid I was completely happy with our football program but I won’t complain about winning. I am sorry if I remember the Snyder years and only winning three a coupe years ago but hey that is just me.

Just a matter of fact and its not about marshall. Football there is nothing to play for unless you are one of the elite schools. Basketball has that same chance at the big prize. I love football but tired of the rinse and repeat every year. I could put my favorite song on and after about the 20th time it gets old. You need to know you have a shot to make it exciting. Win 6 or win 10 its the same payoff.

[wasbarryb]

Did I say I was happy about being mediocre?  In fact I have said multiple times this yes I haven’t been happy. I just chose to not think the world is over because we have won 8 games.

Nothing offensive about you. You questioned my thinking and I just said you were full of crap.

Maybe “You’re full of crap” isn’t an insult where you come from, but most reasonable people would see it as such.

You haven’t read my thoughts on this team. 

No I wish I hadn’t.  I’ve been forced to read them over and over again. You’ve established yourself as the avenging angel of mediocre determined to stamp out any desire on the part to winners to object to being mediocre.

I just choose not to be miserable over winning like some.

I assure you I’m not miserable right now, any week I get 15 thousand feet of vertical in a day is a happy week. I do get tired of losers that accept less than the best.

[Big Ol' Hillbilly]

Thats not what everyone thought about the Fla schools till we beat their rears. Lots of our competition no diff than 6 or 8 of those MAC powerhouses that Pruett feated on that were all still running two back sets. Like I said..several of these schools in bigger nicer locations with lots more money but spin on brother.

We never had to worry about whether we would get our a$$es handed to us against, in your words, MAC powerhouses. With Doc, there is no emotion, there is no swagger, he's boring as hell, his football is boring as hell, it's stagnant, etc, etc, etc. If Pruett had the Angelo Jean-Louis, AJ Leggett, Jaquan Yulee, Tommy Shuler, Rakeem Cato, and many, many more of that caliber of players like Doc has in his 8 years here, it would have been ugly. With the exception of Moss, Pruett did it with players that no-one else in the country wanted , and he developed them into great players. Doc has had his hands on players that had scholarship offers from every school in the country and barely scrapes by in the weakest conference in college football. Doc takes 4 star players that everyone wants and turns them into losers. Pruett took kids that nobody wanted and developed them into Heisman candidates and NFL draft picks. Pruett took us into the horse shoe with a bunch of 2 star players and lost by a last second field goal. Doc gets blown away at home by Akron, playing with a bunch of 3 and 4 star players. Pruett went into the house of the #6 team in the country and left with the win. Doc gets beat at home by a program that didn't have a football team 10 years ago. Huge difference.

I hate to say this, but for me, I'm embarrassed being a Marshall fan right now. Even more embarrassed than I was in the Snyder days. People in WV honestly think that people outside the borders of WV that have no ties to WV or the area, respect Marshall. My experience since leaving is totally opposite. Reality is, there isn't that level of national respect that the delusional portion of our  fanbase envisions. Some folks who are sports fans have never even heard of Marshall. We had a neighborhood party last month and college football was the theme. These people are die hard college football fans. There were tennessee fans, USC fans, Clemson fans, Oho State fans, Alabama fans, you name it, they're here. I had 4 people ask me where Marshall was and if I thought we were going to be in the FCS playoffs this year. One person brought up the movie, but they thought it was a high school team. I had the "weren't they good like back in 95 or something" questions. I had the "Didn't Randy Moss play there before he transferred to that Rand University place?" kind of questions. It was embarrassing.

So you tell me to spin on... How about you live on. Live on in your little fantasy world, thinking  that these 10 win seasons in this dinky conference and nobodygivesa$hi+.com bowls will ever make Marshall relevant again. You live on in that stadium that is 1/4 full on Saturdays and the 1/4 is mostly made up of blue hairs and people sitting on their hands. Live on thinking that one day, that stadium will be rejuvenated by a coach who is boring and barely scrapes by playing in the weakest league in the game. Give it 10 years at this rate and Marshall's stadium will look like FIU's stadium looked yesterday as far as attendance goes. Just an older and dirtier version. But you live on, brother. Live on.

[svherd]

Beginning of the year, I said losses to NCST, USC, USM and FIU. Obviously missed FIU. I didn’t think we would lose to MT. The most disappointing thing for me is not playing in the league championship game but how bad our offense is. Our QB play has not been as good as I had hoped. Green has some learning to do but has big upside. From what I know now, Thomson wasn’t even supposed to play his shoulder is still bad. Not sure where Morrell comes in for the future.

Play well at Va Tech and win our bowl game. 9-10 wins would be a solid season. I’d give it a B.