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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2018, 03:46:32 PM »
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  • A couple of those will fall off after this year...Va Tech will be a tough out but win there and then the bowl and we hit 10 again...I would love to go to New Orleans this year for our bowl...
     

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    « Reply #3 on: November 26, 2018, 03:46:56 PM »
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  • That is some serious “Sunshine Pumping” right there!  When you say only 25 “Major” college programs can say they have won 8 games in each of the last 5 seasons, it’s a little misleading.  For one, you are saying CUSA is Major College football.  If half of the teams played in our lousy conference, they’d be making the same claim.  Look, I get that McGill is charged with spreading Shewey propaganda, but smart fans know better.
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    « Reply #4 on: November 26, 2018, 03:53:44 PM »
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  • What I always remember is where I came from and Marshall too and we aint Va Tech or even NC St. If we had that kinda money, boosters, conf affiliation, endowment, academic rep etc etc etc then I would pooh pooh CUSA.  but we dont. We're right where we belong.

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    « Reply #5 on: November 26, 2018, 03:58:59 PM »
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  • What I always remember is where I came from and Marshall too and we aint Va Tech or even NC St. If we had that kinda money, boosters, conf affiliation, endowment, academic rep etc etc etc then I would pooh pooh CUSA.  but we dont. We're right where we belong.

    I respectfully disagree.  No reason we shouldn’t be able to compete with schools like USF, ECU, and Tulsa with boosters, endowments, academic rep.  We may be lower than them, bit I wouldn’t imagine it’s a dramatic difference......I could be wrong though.
     
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    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2018, 03:59:29 PM »
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  • In fairness, McGill lists four G5 schools in his list.  He also throws in Looserville, which I don't think is a real P5 program.
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    « Reply #7 on: November 26, 2018, 04:01:55 PM »
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  • What I always remember is where I came from and Marshall too and we aint Va Tech or even NC St. If we had that kinda money, boosters, conf affiliation, endowment, academic rep etc etc etc then I would pooh pooh CUSA.  but we dont. We're right where we belong.

    .." its not that easy at all.."   -   Here In The Real World  - Alan Jackson
    Well......I was wrong.  ECU and Tulsa both have endowments nearly 10x what we have.  But I still think we are selling ourselves short if we don’t think we are worthy of competing in the AAC.
     
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    Re: Herd Football 8 wins 4th time 5 seasons
    « Reply #8 on: November 26, 2018, 04:05:06 PM »
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  • I respectfully disagree.  No reason we shouldn’t be able to compete with schools like USF, ECU, and Tulsa with boosters, endowments, academic rep.  We may be lower than them, bit I wouldn’t imagine it’s a dramatic difference......I could be wrong though.

    FYI:

    Marshall's Endowment:  $110.4 million
    USF Endowment:           $442 million
    ECU Endowment:           $745.9 million
    Tulsa's Endowment:      $957.5 million
    Tulane's Endowment:    $1.305 BILLION

    Not trying to be adversarial, but I knew that Tulsa has a huge endowment.
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    Re: Herd Football 8 wins 4th time 5 seasons
    « Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 04:13:12 PM »
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  • I respectfully disagree.  No reason we shouldn’t be able to compete with schools like USF, ECU, and Tulsa with boosters, endowments, academic rep.  We may be lower than them, bit I wouldn’t imagine it’s a dramatic difference......I could be wrong though.

    Endowments (in millions):
    USF 442
    ECU 745
    Tulsa 957
    MU 110

    Liberty's endowment is 10X ours.

    Because of the scholarship limit, with smart coaching and good recruiting, we can compete with the majors in football and basketball, at least occasionally. There is minimal room for mistakes for a school like Marshall and you have to roll the dice and get a payoff like Vinnie Curry or Byron Leftwich now and again. It is hard to compete in terms of fundraising and academics. That does not mean we cannot produce amazing graduates who make their marks on the world. Although it is not a popular sentiment, the decisions that would have profoundly affected Marshall and West Virginia opportunities were made (poorly) before we were born.

    Offline herd2win

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    « Reply #10 on: November 26, 2018, 04:15:24 PM »
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  • This is what is lost sometimes....we had a once in a lifetime run with Moss, Pennington and Lefty....that had not happened before and has not happened since...if you are waiting on that you will be waiting forever...if there would have been a G5 playoff the last 6 years we would have made it all but 1 year likely and everyone would have had more fun.

    We are a small school relative to most G5 and in a state I am proud of but one that does not have some of the economic advantages of other states...that is why I enjoy each win...I choose to have fun following this team...I would like more offense but to win 8 to 10 games a year is not the worst thing that could happen...we do well for our resources all the way around.

    I think if we played the same way, won the same amount of games but Doc had a bigger personality the outlook would be different.
     
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    « Reply #11 on: November 26, 2018, 04:18:03 PM »
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  • I like women who have huge endowments! :P


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    « Reply #12 on: November 26, 2018, 04:29:15 PM »
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  • I like women who have huge endowments! :P


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    Re: Herd Football 8 wins 4th time 5 seasons
    « Reply #13 on: November 26, 2018, 05:01:14 PM »
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  • FYI:

    Marshall's Endowment:  $110.4 million
    USF Endowment:           $442 million
    ECU Endowment:           $745.9 million
    Tulsa's Endowment:      $957.5 million
    Tulane's Endowment:    $1.305 BILLION

    Not trying to be adversarial, but I knew that Tulsa has a huge endowment.

    Rice's endowment is huge (5.34 billion). If the AAC expands again, they may well get asked before us or Southern Miss because of academics and endowment.

    Offline goherd24

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    « Reply #14 on: November 26, 2018, 06:19:14 PM »
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  • People acting like endowment means %^&* to recruits. F
    Marshall has a brand and football history to sell recruits. We have played with and competed with those unbeatable endowed aac schools before, and mostly with Snyder ball. We can play in the AAC and should be. If we get left behind again, its all over. There is one more shift i think, and then those 6 conferences will split with the g5. We are either going to be relegated to a new FCS officially, or we get into the AAC and have a chance to be on the boat. We would be in the lowest deck, sleeping in bunks with the rats, but we'd be on the boat. We NEED the AAC.
     
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    Re: Herd Football 8 wins 4th time 5 seasons
    « Reply #15 on: November 26, 2018, 06:44:12 PM »
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  • I respectfully disagree.  No reason we shouldn’t be able to compete with schools like USF, ECU, and Tulsa with boosters, endowments, academic rep.  We may be lower than them, bit I wouldn’t imagine it’s a dramatic difference......I could be wrong though.

    ECU till the last couple yrs regularly filled a 50000 seat stadium so that makes you partly wrong and it wasnt hard. Additionally, our Ath Budget would be dead last in their league. We have the smallest student enrollment (dollars) among FBS public schools in a poor state dominated by the qu-eers.
     

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    « Reply #16 on: November 26, 2018, 06:59:20 PM »
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  • And nothing to show for it but participation  trophies from meaningless bowls.
     
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    « Reply #17 on: November 26, 2018, 07:10:07 PM »
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  • The losers got participation trophies....Doc held aloft the winners thingies...5 straight times.
     

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    « Reply #18 on: November 26, 2018, 07:31:54 PM »
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  • The losers got participation trophies....Doc held aloft the winners thingies...5 straight times.

    And meanwhile, nobody in the country cares but you and the other sunshine pumpers. While Doc stands there hoisting the college football equivalent of a special olympics medal over his head after a successful season of beating MOST of the little sisters of the poor and losing to a couple of them, people around the country are noticing the G5’s with vision and swagger like the Boise States and the UCFs.
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    « Reply #19 on: November 26, 2018, 07:51:22 PM »
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  • Truly not sure whether some of you guys are really fans or not.  We are a far above average G5 program, with occasional streaks and aspirations of great things. 

    We are in the ending of a season that could have seriously finished at 12 -1, maybe even undefeated.  Many of you hated Legg and wanted him gone, he is; and so is the QB that he personally hyped to the extent no one could live up to expectations.  Once it was clear Legg was gone, so was Litton.  The two Ls fled quickly, some would even say driven out of down.

    It's always easier to see what could be than the reality of making it happen.  Maybe if we started hyping the conference and supporting it, it would actually get better.  I'm thinking power is in positivity more than negativity.

    Even when we win, we lose with many of you.  As I said before, truly can't grasp it. 
     
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    « Reply #20 on: November 26, 2018, 07:51:37 PM »
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  • The losers got participation trophies....Doc held aloft the winners thingies...5 straight times.

    Another Doc apologist who is content finishing each year ranked around #87 in the country.  It’s a shame some folks think so poorly of our school that they have zero expectation of real achievement.  Remember when our motto was we play for championships?  Now it’s, “We hope we win 7 games”.
     
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    « Reply #21 on: November 26, 2018, 08:32:20 PM »
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  • Many of you touted Lane Kiffin...let’s see how that worked out...how about Butch Davis of NFL and Miami fame...we just beat him on the road...WKU made a bad hire and it looks like they just made another bad hire...

    Without a G5 playoff there is no solution...UCF has gone 2 years without a loss and still can’t crack the system...WVU with multiple seniors loses 3 games and will play in a bowl no one cares about...the ESPN hype has made all but about 6 teams irrelevant in college football.
     
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    « Reply #22 on: November 26, 2018, 08:57:13 PM »
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  • Comment above that endowments mean nothing to athletes, and, indirectly it would appear to athletics.  Well, endowments DO mean a lot when it comes to overall "health" of the institution, especially in terms of enrollment, which MU has struggled futilely for over a decade or more to try and grow.  Especially, as someone pointed out, when the school is in an economically poor and depressed state and severely underfunded when it comes to state financial support.

    A much larger endowment would enable MU to increase funding for scholarships, thus aiding in enrollment growth.  Also, would enable school to enhance and grow academic programs/offerings, again aiding enrollment increase.  Finally, more private funding/endowments would aid in renovating older facilities, academic and/or athletic or in building new facilities.  All of which would make MU an easier "sell" to prospective athletes.
     

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    Re: Herd Football 8 wins 4th time 5 seasons
    « Reply #23 on: November 26, 2018, 09:02:44 PM »
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  • Truly not sure whether some of you guys are really fans or not. 

    As I said before, truly can't grasp it.

    Well first off, I don’t know you and honestly I don’t give one sweet $hi+ whether you think I’m really a “fan” or not.

    Now that that is out of the way, I’ll tell you what I truly can’t grasp. I can’t grasp how what you describe as “real fans” can accept mediocrity and accept that Marshall has hit it’s ceiling. To me that is sad and I’m “truly not sure whether some of you guys are really fans or not”.

    Since you bring my fandom into question, allow me to escort you through a little Big Ol’ Hillbilly Marshall history. The ol’ hillbilly grew up south of Charleston and graduated from a high school that sent the majority of its alumni to Morgantown to further their education. Back around 92 or 93 after the ol’ hillbilly had attended many WVU games and had been watching them almost religiously throughout his few short years on earth, he started following this team in green from WV that he saw playing in I-AA playoff games and championships on ESPN. He liked what he saw in this team. They played with a swagger and had an upside that he never noticed from the wvu side. They were a team on the way up while the team I had followed my whole life just seemed to be standing still. They had coaches with fire, a new stadium, a running back named Chris Parker that I loved to watch play, etc. I didn’t see any of this upside from ol’ Nehlen and his mountaineers. My allegiance began to shift.

    Now it wasn’t sunshine and roses once the hillbilly quit standing around at school talking about the mountaineers with his buddies. He would throw a little Herd into the convo and they would laugh and make fun. I didn’t care. I was following something fresh, new, and exciting. They were just following same old, same old. In 1997, my freshman year of college, I watched the wvu Marshall game with this same group of buddies and they acted like such a$$es that day, that I never hung with that crew again. I hated wvu fans and that team from that point on. My allegiance had totally shifted.

    I continued following the Herd, and as the years passed, the excitement continued. Conference championships, Heisman candidates, playing the big boys toe to toe, coaches with “anybody, anytime” mentality, players with swagger, newer, bigger and better conference, etc. Then around 2004 it all changed. A wrong hire was made. A man was in way over his head. We all know about those years. He was fired in 09 on my birthday. A “national search” was supposedly conducted to hire the athletic director’s buddy from 20 minutes down the road.

    I’ll admit, it was exciting the first couple of years watching all of those highly regarded players turn down the big boys and sign letters of intent to play for Marshall. It was cool to see. We were playing in a decent conference and had a coach signing #1 recruiting classes in said conference. The future was bright, at first. Around year 2, the #1 classes weren’t meaning squat when we were winning no more games than the previous coach won with presumably inferior talent. Everyone said year four. They were right.

    Year four rolled in and we rolled right through the schedule until the end. Had we turned the corner? WAs Marshall returning to glory? Nope. By year four, the decent programs from the conference had left us behind to play alongside of teams that were in year 2 of having football programs,teams from the sunbelt (only conference worse than the MAC), and teams moving up from I-AA. Year 4 consisted of those teams and a couple of bottom of the barrel MAC opponents. Not one team worth a $hi+ the whole season and he still managed to get out coached and not finish undefeated. Five years to the day after the previous coach got fired on my birthday, this coach got out coached for the umpteenth time on my birthday and blew a top 25 ranking and perfect season. That season he won the only championship in his 8 year tenure. Every year he gets out coached and loses games in the worst conference in the game. He not only gets beaten, he gets blown out. By the likes of Akron... AT HOME!  Even Snyder didn’t get beat up at home, especially by loser programs, like this guy does. It’s embarrassing.

    The excitement is gone. The new and on the rise is gone. The swagger gone. The anytime, anywhere attitude is gone. And in turn, you look around the stadium and you notice that the fan base is gone and the donors are gone. So I guess if wanting more and expecting greatness from something that I’m passionate about makes me not a “real” fan in your eyes, then I reckon the ol’ hillbilly must not be a “real” fan.
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    « Reply #24 on: November 26, 2018, 09:31:48 PM »
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  • Why do so many of you discount the Cato years?  That was exciting football..did you go to the Military Bowl and watch us beat Maryland?  Did you not enjoy a packed house in an exciting game beating Purdue?  How about the win early on in the Beef OBradys bowl...I know I had fun...we have had 1 really bad year in 10...not so bad..we have 2 new coordinators and a freshman QB and whave won 8 games..we are not the 85 Bears but who is...we have never beaten a top 10 team even with Penny or Moss...

    Why the hatred of our team? 
     
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