Topic: Beating a dead horse......but it's not a playoff....

[MarshallGrad]

FBS has no a playoff. I wish the pundits, and fans, called it what it is because words matter in separating the truth from the agenda driven narrative, and calling it what it is might have some positive impact. What we have is a selection committee FBS tournament, it is not a playoff of any kind. Not by any definition or precedence.

Is there any other sport, at any level, where the process to choose the overall league champion, has as the only entrance criteria, subjective selection by a committee with no direct tie to being the champion of a conference, division, region, etc? FCS and NCAA basketball apply committee subjective selections after the conference automatic bids are satisfied.

Is there even one other example of a "playoff" - any sport at any level - that follows this committee selection only model?

[herdman]

FBS has no a playoff. I wish the pundits, and fans, called it what it is because words matter in separating the truth from the agenda driven narrative, and calling it what it is might have some positive impact. What we have is a selection committee FBS tournament, it is not a playoff of any kind. Not by any definition or precedence.

Is there any other sport, at any level, where the process to choose the overall league champion, has as the only entrance criteria, subjective selection by a committee with no direct tie to being the champion of a conference, division, region, etc? FCS and NCAA basketball apply committee subjective selections after the conference automatic bids are satisfied.

Is there even one other example of a "playoff" - any sport at any level - that follows this committee selection only model?

So you would give UAB a bid over Georgia? If were supposed to be the best teams then pick the best teams. Georgia is likely to be left out because of losing in the last minutes to the #1 team in the country.   If Georgia and UAB played 10 times or 100 times how many times would UAB win?

[elginherd]

So you would give UAB a bid over Georgia? If were supposed to be the best teams then pick the best teams. Georgia is likely to be left out because of losing in the last minutes to the #1 team in the country.   If Georgia and UAB played 10 times or 100 times how many times would UAB win?

I don't think that what you said addresses MarshallGrad's point.

MarshallGrad isn't advocating picking UAB over UGA; he's advocating a true playoff where the criteria is set in stone before the season starts. The current FBS "championship" isn't even run by the NCAA. It's really a legacy of the corrupt BCS "system" where the P5's bigwigs all were wined & dined at the most expensive resorts imaginable by the big-time bowl committees. The current 'system' (really a beauty contest that figure skating would be proud of) was largely a reaction to Orrin Hatch when he threaten to investigate the BCS. He was placated when Utah was allowed to join the PAC-12.

Here's what I "love"...all during the season we hear over U over again about how each CFB game matters, claiming that every regular season  game & conference championship game is likely an elimination game. IF that were true, then UGA  should be dropped from consideration. 'Bama should've been disqualified the year LSU beat them in the SEC CG & the year where they didn't even win their division.

Under the current 'system' less teams have meaningful games because every year by the middle of the season there's no hope for one or two of the P5 conferences and, before the season, there's no hope for any of the G5 conferences.

[GreenWhite]

I don't think that what you said addresses MarshallGrad's point.

MarshallGrad isn't advocating picking UAB over UGA; he's advocating a true playoff where the criteria is set in stone before the season starts. The current FBS "championship" isn't even run by the NCAA. It's really a legacy of the corrupt BCS "system" where the P5's bigwigs all were wined & dined at the most expensive resorts imaginable by the big-time bowl committees. The current 'system' (really a beauty contest that figure skating would be proud of) was largely a reaction to Orrin Hatch when he threaten to investigate the BCS. He was placated when Utah was allowed to join the PAC-12.

Here's what I "love"...all during the season we hear over U over again about how each CFB game matters, claiming that every regular season  game & conference championship game is likely an elimination game. IF that were true, then UGA  should be dropped from consideration. 'Bama should've been disqualified the year LSU beat them in the SEC CG & the year where they didn't even win their division.

Under the current 'system' less teams have meaningful games because every year by the middle of the season there's no hope for one or two of the P5 conferences and, before the season, there's no hope for any of the G5 conferences.

Not to mention the year Ohio State made the playoffs and didn't play in the Big 10 championship game. I heard Kirk Herbstreet last night say that Georgia, even though they lost, should be the #3 team, ahead of Notre Dame. You know what ESPN wants is a rematch of the game last year and that showed in his comments. This system is even more corrupt than the BCS.

[MarshallGrad]

So you would give UAB a bid over Georgia? If were supposed to be the best teams then pick the best teams. Georgia is likely to be left out because of losing in the last minutes to the #1 team in the country.   If Georgia and UAB played 10 times or 100 times how many times would UAB win?

Here is the deal. The current system ensures what you are saying stays that way. A fundamental change to a fair and standard practice that ensures a spot in the playoffs to every conference champ immediately changes the entire game across all of FBS. Why does a Georgia have superior talent and consistently access to better recruits? A big factor is the access to a national audience as related to the potential of a national championship. Who wants to go to UAB when they know for certain 100% that there is no path to a national championship.

Asking the question as to whether UAB is as good a choice as Georgia in this corrupt system, of course they aren't. But it is not an inherent and natural disparity, it is one that is guaranteed by the current system. Give every conference champ an equal chance at the NC, after a few years, then it would be reasonable to make conference to conference comparisons. The top 3 teams in each conference would have a much better shot at greater numbers of top talent than they do now. Georgia is better because the system ensures they are. The problem is the system creates the disparity that makes the comparison between UAB and Georgia a fallacy. It is what it is because the design guarantees what it is.

The core issue is aligning the process to the same standard that almost every sport at every level uses. To not do that seems absurd or, more likely, simply a desire to maintain the disparity through the nonsense system. There no reason to think that a conference champ of CUSA, in a system that guarantees an auto bid to the NC playoff, would have the same disparity as exists in the current system that is designed to ensure that difference exists.

My opposition is not with Georgia, it is with the ridiculous system of subjectively selecting four teams to represent a NC playoff. It is an absurd concept and only exists to ensure the Georgia'a will always have a power advantage. An auto bid to ever conference immediately ends the P5/G5 paradigm. Immediately.

[Johns1124]

  If Georgia and UAB played 10 times or 100 times how many times would UAB win?

If Marshall and Wichita St played 10 times or 100 times how many times would Marshall win?
 ;)

[rvntx]

Glad the Basketball Tournament does not use this way of choosing the top 64. Think if every team where at large bids......62 power teams and 2 midmajors.......

[elginherd]

Here is the deal. The current system ensures what you are saying stays that way. A fundamental change to a fair and standard practice that ensures a spot in the playoffs to every conference champ immediately changes the entire game across all of FBS. Why does a Georgia have superior talent and consistently access to better recruits? A big factor is the access to a national audience as related to the potential of a national championship. Who wants to go to UAB when they know for certain 100% that there is no path to a national championship.

Asking the question as to whether UAB is as good a choice as Georgia in this corrupt system, of course they aren't. But it is not an inherent and natural disparity, it is one that is guaranteed by the current system. Give every conference champ an equal chance at the NC, after a few years, then it would be reasonable to make conference to conference comparisons. The top 3 teams in each conference would have a much better shot at greater numbers of top talent than they do now. Georgia is better because the system ensures they are. The problem is the system creates the disparity that makes the comparison between UAB and Georgia a fallacy. It is what it is because the design guarantees what it is.

The core issue is aligning the process to the same standard that almost every sport at every level uses. To not do that seems absurd or, more likely, simply a desire to maintain the disparity through the nonsense system. There no reason to think that a conference champ of CUSA, in a system that guarantees an auto bid to the NC playoff, would have the same disparity as exists in the current system that is designed to ensure that difference exists.

My opposition is not with Georgia, it is with the ridiculous system of subjectively selecting four teams to represent a NC playoff. It is an absurd concept and only exists to ensure the Georgia'a will always have a power advantage. An auto bid to ever conference immediately ends the P5/G5 paradigm. Immediately.

Well thought out & well said.

[HerdnBucks]

Drop the meaningless 12th game.  Drop the conference championship games. 16 team playoff-10 conference champs, 6 at-large.  Seeded by the BCS Rankings.  1st Round would look like this:

16) UAB
1)   Alabama

9)  Florida
8   UCF

13) Boise State
4)   Georgia

12) Penn State
5)   Oklahoma

15) Buffalo
2)   Clemson

10) LSU
7)   Michigan

14) Appalachian State
3)   Notre Dame

11) Washington
6)   Ohio State

First Round and Quarterfinals on campus.
Semi-Finals and National Championships at neutral bowl sites.

This would not only be more exciting as a playoff atmosphere, it would add meaning back to the regular season because EVERYONE would be playing for something.  That simply isn't the case now when you see a G-5 team with a 25-game winning streak being denied a seat at the table.

[MarshallGrad]

Drop the meaningless 12th game.  Drop the conference championship games. 16 team playoff-10 conference champs, 6 at-large.  Seeded by the BCS Rankings.  1st Round would look like this:

16) UAB
1)   Alabama

9)  Florida
8   UCF

13) Boise State
4)   Georgia

12) Penn State
5)   Oklahoma

15) Buffalo
2)   Clemson

10) LSU
7)   Michigan

14) Appalachian State
3)   Notre Dame

11) Washington
6)   Ohio State

First Round and Quarterfinals on campus.
Semi-Finals and National Championships at neutral bowl sites.

This would not only be more exciting as a playoff atmosphere, it would add meaning back to the regular season because EVERYONE would be playing for something.  That simply isn't the case now when you see a G-5 team with a 25-game winning streak being denied a seat at the table.

And, importantly, if this were really implemented each of those conference champs  that look out of place with those big boys would likely have better talent and be closer to parity with the rest than they are now. Knowing that you can offer a shot at an NC title path to recruits is a heck of a lot more appealing than, the best you will get with us is a toilet bowl with no one cares as the national audience.

Just like the man said. It should be this simple:

Drop the meaningless 12th game.  Drop the conference championship games. 16 team playoff-10 conference champs, 6 at-large.  Seeded by the BCS Rankings.