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Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2019, 08:06:50 PM »
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  • WHF there’s a lot more that feel the way he does. Good for him to speak out in a forum like this
     
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    « Reply #26 on: May 01, 2019, 08:17:45 PM »
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  • WHF there’s a lot more that feel the way he does. Good for him to speak out in a forum like this
    I look forward to his answers, I think my questions are clear and appropriate.  We've recruited some excellent interior linemen in the last three years, they've won playing time in front of folks who were here for sure, but Legg wasn't here last year and Mirabal has been gone too.  Lochlear got playing time on the plays he was best at and wasn't played on those he wasn't.

    When will the judgment of professionals be worth more than the judgment of those who feel others should be favored when they're not?  When will we trust those we place in leadership positions to do what we hire them to do?  And when will folks who want to say something say it when it matters, not when it is all safe and there is no risk in doing so?
     
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #27 on: May 01, 2019, 08:19:31 PM »
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  • Watch the games easy to tell this is a problem in the program.  Some have been saying for years now the best players are not playing.  More confirmation.
     
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    « Reply #28 on: May 01, 2019, 08:23:42 PM »
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  • Watch the games easy to tell this is a problem in the program.  Some have been saying for years now the best players are not playing.  More confirmation.

    Agree...Time to drop football....
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #29 on: May 01, 2019, 08:32:19 PM »
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  • Agree...Time to drop football....

    Just fix it.  Too easy coach too easy.
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #30 on: May 01, 2019, 08:50:51 PM »
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  • If you feel this way, why do you still allow MU to use your videos as a promotion for the university?  Why did you stay and play for Doc and Legg if you were so decided that all was off course and detrimental to the athletes there?  Why speak up so loudly now when you could have had the podium for several years?

    Also, why was Legg the super star recruiter of Chase and stayed with him so long if he was putting things in his way?

    You may have exactly, 100%, the right analysis and story. But your timing is, IMHO, way off.

    And by the way, is this program you now rip with much apparent disscent the same one who did their best to give you all the chances and help they could to get you back into playing and perhaps earn a career in the NFL?  Did they keep you on scholarship and continue to promote you as a model of effort and commitment?

    Tell us the why?  Tell us why you're so vocal now?




    I don’t allow Marshall University to use my commercials. I don’t have the rights to those commercials. That footage was shot while I was an NCAA student athlete. I don’t make the decisions as to what goes on Marshall University commercials.

    Look closely at what I said: Starting in the spring of 2016. They changed. I didn’t stay for them. In fact, I almost quit during the fall camp and was begged to stay. I stayed for my teammates and literally drove my body into the ground further, most of the time already beat, because running our offense was like carrying out a suicide mission. Are Mirabal and Legg not gone? I thought things might improve until the most recent events taking place.

    What podium? I also don’t have social media. This is the closest thing to that, and I just recently started this. I have law school (University of Kentucky) on my plate, I have a full time job. I’m speaking out now because it has caused one of my closest friends to leave, in an unacceptable fashion. Not to mention, my lack of speaking out earlier was to avoid being a distraction, and not dividing people, hoping they’d eventually sort things out. I’ve seen bad cultures turn to good cultures, very strong cultures. I’ve seen bad turn to worse than before. I’m not paid or consulting in the administration of a single Marshall faction. There are adult men and women that get paid some pretty good money to do their job. They’ve been entrusted with duties, we expect them to carry out effectively. I could, and can, only hope that players or certain coaches would change it again to what it should be. As a result, certain players are reprimanded and undermined for anything that opposes the root of the problem. My responses were merely prompted by this being enough for me, and me finally losing faith in the administration. Before this it wavered, but because of my affinity for them and the trust I once had in them, it has gotten to this point.

    Believe me buddy, the NFL stopped being a priority, well before my last season started. Fighting for my teammates was all that mattered, or I wouldn’t have went out hurt in every game played, barely finishing a couple, not finishing the majority of games played, and not being able to play the last 3-4 games of the season. Initially, regarding my thoughts that season, I wasn’t even going to give the league a shot. I knew that if I wasn’t playing in a suicide mission, somebody else was.

    As for you referencing the situation between Legg and Chase, and wanting to know what transpired there, why don’t you ask Chase or Legg yourself? However, I’d go with a tone of language less condescending than the one you displayed on my behalf. 
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #31 on: May 01, 2019, 08:56:07 PM »
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  • Coaches favorites get away with most.   Heard that. 
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #32 on: May 01, 2019, 09:01:11 PM »
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  • This all smells to me...sounds like major sour grapes...a guy does not get playing time and decides to leave...it is in a coaches best interest to play the best players...what is there to gain by not playing the best players?  Answer...nothing...I know current players on the team very closely and this sentiment is not throughout the team...most thought Chase had an attitude issue and not the other way...
     
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    « Reply #33 on: May 01, 2019, 09:06:34 PM »
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  • This all smells to me...sounds like major sour grapes...a guy does not get playing time and decides to leave...it is in a coaches best interest to play the best players...what is there to gain by not playing the best players?  Answer...nothing...I know current players on the team very closely and this sentiment is not throughout the team...most thought Chase had an attitude issue and not the other way...

    Sapp is our best cb does he play?  One reason we lost to Nc state our wrong cb covering there best wr  in 1st half.  Our cb torched.  Sapp shuts same wr down in 2nd half.  I don’t get to the games only tv but you see a lot more watching TV games.  Hopefully this year we don’t throw to the same wr every pass.  And run the ball a lot more. 
     
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #34 on: May 01, 2019, 09:14:29 PM »
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  • I look forward to his answers, I think my questions are clear and appropriate.  We've recruited some excellent interior linemen in the last three years, they've won playing time in front of folks who were here for sure, but Legg wasn't here last year and Mirabal has been gone too.  Lochlear got playing time on the plays he was best at and wasn't played on those he wasn't.

    When will the judgment of professionals be worth more than the judgment of those who feel others should be favored when they're not?  When will we trust those we place in leadership positions to do what we hire them to do?  And when will folks who want to say something say it when it matters, not when it is all safe and there is no risk in doing so?




    So, in this quoted post of yours, you speculate, but assert, that Locklear played on the plays that he’s best at, and didn’t in the ones he wasn’t. Here’s the problem. The type of rotation you’re referencing doesn’t exist for olinemen. In fact, the only time you see those events transpire, is for short yardage/goal line situations, so rarely ever. WR, RB, and defensive positions rotate like that. Olineman, when rotating, do it upon a drive to drive ratio. Only the first 12-16 plays are typically scripted for a game, within the game plan. This means, that plays 12-16 would be the only place where your logic could possibly be feasible... possible. I’m telling you that, in this situation, that’s impossible, because that’s not the case. The main reason he got most of his playing time is based upon Tarik Adams’ injured hip that plagued him all season long.

    You say the decision of professionals? Hmmm, well if Marshall Coaches are professionals and we should trust them to do their job (playing the best player in this situation), then why have other professionals doing the same job, in more “prestigious” dwellings, in every Power 5 conference come drooling for Alex, based on the film they watched, arrived at completely opposite conclusions?

    I want you to do something... I want you to go back through the years in this program, and tell me of a situation when a guy that isn’t good enough to start at Marshall, was ever wanted else where, on this scale, regarding who wanted him and how much they wanted him (seen those messages too boss).

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #35 on: May 01, 2019, 09:21:29 PM »
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  • This all smells to me...sounds like major sour grapes...a guy does not get playing time and decides to leave...it is in a coaches best interest to play the best players...what is there to gain by not playing the best players?  Answer...nothing...I know current players on the team very closely and this sentiment is not throughout the team...most thought Chase had an attitude issue and not the other way...




    I never said he didn’t have an attitude problem, which only got worse when he was undermined. After what I witnessed in 2016, I’m with him. I know current players on the team, a lot of them personally... what’s that prove? 
     
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #36 on: May 01, 2019, 09:32:51 PM »
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  • This all sounds like the best players at Marshall don’t always play bc they don’t tow the company line.  Instead get put on the bench until they get sick of this treatment and roll out. 
     
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #37 on: May 01, 2019, 09:42:57 PM »
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  • Alex played when run was the series, not when passing was the intended offense. We'll see if he plays at Utah, if he does, good for him.  But you're hypothesizing that the coaches would risk a less than most excellent team on the field just to spite (or something else your implying, which I candidly don't understand) the kid. I don't believe that.

    I've said here before, and don't know where you've been as I've never seen a post before today from you, that Alex was a road grader offensive lineman, go look it up for yourself. But he isn't fast, his footwork seemed to leave a lot to be desired on pass blocking, and he whiffed several times last year on pass blocking. If the scheme doesn't fit him and he leaves, I get it.  But to insinuate it is because the coaching staff isn't above board, can't judge talent, and isn't playing the best players is serious stuff.

    Sometimes we're all blinded by what hurts our friends.i just challenge you to consider how much your implying could be because Alex didn't get what he wanted at MU after all was said and done, versus how much is really related to what you imply  to be unfair treatment.

    If his brother never gave MU a chance because of his feelings, that sucks too. But I never heard that and always heard his family thought very highly of MU.e

    If you have serious stuff to cure in the program, take them to Doc. If there was physical mistreatment of you and others, take it to Hamrick.
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #38 on: May 01, 2019, 09:46:15 PM »
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  • This all sounds like the best players at Marshall don’t always play bc they don’t tow the company line.  Instead get put on the bench until they get sick of this treatment and roll out.
    Towing the company line used to be called "being a team player", "being coachable" etc.  Now it seems like those things are too much to give, according to several of you.  "Towing the company line" is expected of most in many situations throughout their lives. If you don't like the company, you can leave. But leaving doesn't make the company wrong, just wrong for you.
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #39 on: May 01, 2019, 10:05:38 PM »
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  • Alex played when run was the series, not when passing was the intended offense. We'll see if he plays at Utah, if he does, good for him.  But you're hypothesizing that the coaches would risk a less than most excellent team on the field just to spite (or something else your implying, which I candidly don't understand) the kid. I don't believe that.

    I've said here before, and don't know where you've been as I've never seen a post before today from you, that Alex was a road grader offensive lineman, go look it up for yourself. But he isn't fast, his footwork seemed to leave a lot to be desired on pass blocking, and he whiffed several times last year on pass blocking. If the scheme doesn't fit him and he leaves, I get it.  But to insinuate it is because the coaching staff isn't above board, can't judge talent, and isn't playing the best players is serious stuff.

    Sometimes we're all blinded by what hurts our friends.i just challenge you to consider how much your implying could be because Alex didn't get what he wanted at MU after all was said and done, versus how much is really related to what you imply  to be unfair treatment.

    If his brother never gave MU a chance because of his feelings, that sucks too. But I never heard that and always heard his family thought very highly of MU.e

    If you have serious stuff to cure in the program, take them to Doc. If there was physical mistreatment of you and others, take it to Hamrick.




    I’m sure the scheme calls or sack-strip fumbles... right? Doesn’t every offensive scheme? I’m not hypothesizing anything. That’s the main reason Lock played. It literally had nothing to do with run, pass, or plays. That’s not based on theory. That’s the truth. This isn’t an opinion. As for comparing notes and watching film, I have access to all the film... want to watch some together and arrive at the same conclusions as all the other Coaches who watched his film?
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #40 on: May 01, 2019, 10:16:48 PM »
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  • Towing the company line used to be called "being a team player", "being coachable" etc.  Now it seems like those things are too much to give, according to several of you.  "Towing the company line" is expected of most in many situations throughout their lives. If you don't like the company, you can leave. But leaving doesn't make the company wrong, just wrong for you.

    Most of these level of players want to be pros.  These kids dream of being pro players.  Whether it realistic or not many can’t see that.  It’s the way it is when coaching highly talented college players which Marshall should and probably has.  These guys want playing time and $.
     
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #41 on: May 01, 2019, 10:18:22 PM »
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  • Sorry, I don't follow the beginning of your last post at all, guessing it is sarcasm. 

    I watched almost every game time after time, watching the Oline extensively. I'm not saying he isn't good, you missed (apparently) my comment about him being a road grader.  He chose to leave MU for what he hopes are more gratifying conditions. That doesn't make MU wrong, or right.  Nor does it make him wrong or right. Why blame a program on his decision?  If he loved it at MU and thought he'd like to finish his career there, he'd have done it.  To paint it like he had to leave to make his life better, get out of a place not being fair to him, is a bit of a stretch.

    As for the films, I've watched games over and over and over, stopping each play,running them back to watch the Oline, and other possessions.  You have your opinion, I have mine.  Apparently two sets of offensive coaches thought others should play ahead of him; not one, but two sets of coaches.
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #42 on: May 01, 2019, 10:24:10 PM »
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  • Most of these level of players want to be pros.  These kids dream of being pro players.  Whether it realistic or not many can’t see that.  It’s the way it is when coaching highly talented college players which Marshall should and probably has.  These guys want playing time and $.
    Agree 100%, and personally I love the transfer portal rule.  What I'm opposed to is blaming the coaches, the program, the fans, and anyone else you can think of, for not getting the playing time they desire.  Maybe, just maybe, the coaches are right.
     

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    « Reply #43 on: May 01, 2019, 10:27:57 PM »
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  • I read the comments and have been impressed with the way things are communicated in this thread. But like one or two other posters would like to continue the dialogue with more specifics if available.

    A good bit of this dialogue is very different than what Lee Smith said on HerdZone...

    https://herdzone.com/news/2019/5/1/big-green-scholarship-foundation-mcgill-raiders-smith-finds-his-way-credits-special-people-of-marshall.aspx

    There’s two different time frames involved but seems a guy who had issues but overcame them with support and help from coaches.

    Highly recommend liking the link and reading how Lee Smith sees the progress.
     

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    « Reply #44 on: May 01, 2019, 10:35:00 PM »
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  • I read the comments and have been impressed with the way things are communicated in this thread. But like one or two other posters would like to continue the dialogue with more specifics if available.

    A good bit of this dialogue is very different than what Lee Smith said on HerdZone...

    https://herdzone.com/news/2019/5/1/big-green-scholarship-foundation-mcgill-raiders-smith-finds-his-way-credits-special-people-of-marshall.aspx

    There’s two different time frames involved but seems a guy who had issues but overcame them with support and help from coaches.

    Highly recommend liking the link and reading how Lee Smith sees the progress.

    Sounds like most players agree with him. Why else would they recruit others to join them......Especially, relatives....
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #45 on: May 01, 2019, 10:42:45 PM »
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  • Sorry, I don't follow the beginning of your last post at all, guessing it is sarcasm. 

    I watched almost every game time after time, watching the Oline extensively. I'm not saying he isn't good, you missed (apparently) my comment about him being a road grader.  He chose to leave MU for what he hopes are more gratifying conditions. That doesn't make MU wrong, or right.  Nor does it make him wrong or right. Why blame a program on his decision?  If he loved it at MU and thought he'd like to finish his career there, he'd have done it.  To paint it like he had to leave to make his live better, get out of a place not being fair to him, is a bit of a stretch.

    As for the films, I've watched games over and over and over, stopping each play,running them back to watch the Oline, and other possessions.  You have your opinion, I have mine.  Apparently two sets of offensive coaches thought others should play ahead of him; not one, but two sets of coaches.




    Those two sets of coaches are closer personally than you’d think. They might as well had been the same staff, regarding their “lens.” If you actually watched film, you’d clearly see that Alex Locklear’s playing time had nothing to do with run or pass. You’d see it as a drive to drive basis. That is not opinion. That is fact. As for the rest of your “opinion,” I’m happy to share my opinion with those that have more credibility and validity in support for their lens (pertaining to all the other coaches that wanted Alex), than those of which you share your lens with.
     
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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #46 on: May 01, 2019, 10:44:34 PM »
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  • I am glad he found a spot after Tennessee backed out on him..........
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #47 on: May 02, 2019, 07:30:17 AM »
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  • Those two sets of coaches are closer personally than you’d think. They might as well had been the same staff, regarding their “lens.” If you actually watched film, you’d clearly see that Alex Locklear’s playing time had nothing to do with run or pass. You’d see it as a drive to drive basis. That is not opinion. That is fact. As for the rest of your “opinion,” I’m happy to share my opinion with those that have more credibility and validity in support for their lens (pertaining to all the other coaches that wanted Alex), than those of which you share your lens with.

    Thanks for the rare view through the 'lens' of a former player, for sacrificing the body.  hope the injuries are under control now and don't cause trouble down the road and best to you in law school and future.  Also, very best to A. Locklear.
    Looking forward, how do you feel about the current line up of Doc's staff, especially coaches Cramsey and Adkins?

    I’d assume he’ll start. If anyone cares to go back and watch the film from this past season, then they’d see Alex Locklear rack up more knockdowns than any fellow olinemen (with less than half the snaps), dominate in display of a complete player, ultimately dominating whenever the criminal coaches gave him chances to play. He was not only the best linemen on the field when playing, but also the best player. I challenge anyone to watch his film and tell me otherwise. The lineup at oline should’ve been: Tarik Adams at LT, Dowery at LG, Alex Mollette at C, Nate Devers (when healthy) at RG, rotating with Cane Madden, and Alex Locklear at the RT.

    Not to get personal, but you mentioned Mollette over Brown at center.  I assume Brown will be the starting center....He (Brown) also sort of let fans know how he felt when some criticisms popped up.  Doc has always said he tries to get the 11 best on the field.  Do you think Brown is the guy at center, that they'll get the best in the rotation and that they really try to avoid 'politics' and get the best 11 on the field at all times?
     
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    « Reply #48 on: May 02, 2019, 07:58:27 AM »
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  • "Criminal Coaches", wow.  Gain credibility, lose credibility....

    Did you really mean to call some coaches at Marshall criminals?
     

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    Re: Alex Locklear to Utah
    « Reply #49 on: May 02, 2019, 08:37:50 AM »
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  • I look forward to his answers, I think my questions are clear and appropriate.  We've recruited some excellent interior linemen in the last three years, they've won playing time in front of folks who were here for sure, but Legg wasn't here last year and Mirabal has been gone too.  Lochlear got playing time on the plays he was best at and wasn't played on those he wasn't.

    When will the judgment of professionals be worth more than the judgment of those who feel others should be favored when they're not?  When will we trust those we place in leadership positions to do what we hire them to do?  And when will folks who want to say something say it when it matters, not when it is all safe and there is no risk in doing so?

    Gave you a thanks and did not mean to. WHF, when will you ever crawl out of Duc’s shorts and take a breath? Your head is so buried in there that you can’t see what is going on in the program. Some of us have been saying this for years now. We didn’t know the specifics, but anyone who’s ever been associated with the program at an intimate level could identify the symptoms of a program deteriorating from within. Duc and Hamwreck both need to go. And go now!
     
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