Topic: Alex Locklear to Utah

[herd2win]

Wrong again. Idk how many more times I need to say that any of your speculation is wrong and what I’m saying is right. Are you not seeing it “get out” now? And unlike me, most people don’t care enough to let people on the outside know. Not that you’d be able to handle the truth if you heard it... like you’ve demonstrated.

Just the opposite of what you say...MU means so much to me and my family....very long history...I would be the first to call for change and support all of your efforts...I have so much more love for MU than Doc or anyone else in the administration....the second I see proof something major is going on then I will help lead the charge for change...

[Scottyo614]

Not to generalize but this might be another case of the millennial effect...this generation is not willing to take criticism and when given they either take their ball and go home or just believe it is everyone else that is at fault.  I am not an old person but I do hire many people and I know in my industry this is becoming a big issue where heads of companies are going to go away from hiring recent college grads in favor of people a little older who are willing to work hard and also have a teachable attitude.

I speak with many different people that run companies and this attitude is prevalent with the current generation.  They have been handed things too easy (juice boxes and trophies for everyone) instead of understanding that some people do lose and there are consequences for not doing the required work.

I don’t know your age, but I’ve never seen a generation always ready to talk about millennials as the group above us. It’s not like we had any say in getting participation trophies. We just showed up. It’s not like we had any say in our schooling. That was 30-50 year olds in that time. If you ask most millennials we hate participation trophies. Now the generation below? That’s just because of how it’s been created. We don’t have representation in the country so also not our fault the problems that the older group likes to blame on us. However we are the most innovative group in many decades because we challenge things and ask why. We also are improving work life balance in America for the first time in a long time. Studies show we understand concepts better than ever before. But hey we are the problem because we ask for changes instead of just taking the stuff people give.

Clint hasn’t showed any signs of sour grapes. Even though some here have tried to paint it as such because he is challenging certain aspects. Everything has been laid out pretty thoughtful and well placed. He’s just said there’s a problem that many can see has existed. To his credit really has held back from making claims because he knows what those claims mean. Remember a few years ago in the insider when posts were made about Litton and things had to be reformatted. For Clint it’s fair to hold those back. Thank you for the well thought out constructed posts. If you want proof of a downturn in excitement, the sidelines and the stands would seem to serve as some evidence of problems

[HaveUherd]

https://www.utehub.com/forums/topic/utes-pick-up-grad-transfer-ol/#post-94413

These Utah fans don’t have a clue really based on this thread. They just think he didn’t play full time at Marshall so he’s not that good (and of course they act like Marshall is nothing). Nice to get some inside insight on things! I’ve been saying for awhile we can do a lot better than Doc.

[SuperAnjario]

This thread is insane.

Going by what Vanhorn is saying, Locklier is a sure fire starter at Utah.  Let’s see if that happens and let’s see how our team does this year.

[herdman]

I don't know about the inner workings or daily operations of the football program at Marshall. But, what I do know is that the football program is Marshall is not performing the way it should be and is frankly very mediocre. Give the resources that it has against its peers in the conference, the football program should be doing better and at a higher level. Maybe this is part of the problem.   

[herdman]

This thread is insane.

Going by what Vanhorn is saying, Locklier is a sure fire starter at Utah.  Let’s see if that happens and let’s see how our team does this year.

did he say that or did he say, that he wasn't given a fair shot at Marshall? Obviously Utah some something. They are a P5 program and ranked in the top 25.  They could probably go find a host of linemen from around the country.

[herdfifteen]

This thread is insane.

Going by what Vanhorn is saying, Locklier is a sure fire starter at Utah.  Let’s see if that happens and let’s see how our team does this year.

This thread essentially gave all the anti Doc people a chance to pile on one more time, and they say the same thing any time football is mentioned in a thread. I am excited about Marshall football this season, I am with you let's see how it plays out.

[DC01HERD]

This thread essentially gave all the anti Doc people a chance to pile on one more time, and they say the same thing any time football is mentioned in a thread. I am excited about Marshall football this season, I am with you let's see how it plays out.

Give me a break... You and a couple others go out of your way to try and take shots at the basketball program. People are stating the obvious about football. It has been very mediocre since the great Bob Pruett left.

[DC01HERD]

This thread is insane.

Going by what Vanhorn is saying, Locklier is a sure fire starter at Utah.  Let’s see if that happens and let’s see how our team does this year.

At least spell his name correctly.

[whf]

Word is that this year's Oline may be the best Doc has ever coached; wonder if that is contributing to this departure?  How does the Ball kid coming in impact the playing time expected by/for Locklear?  What does the development of the RedShirt Freshman from last year mean to his playing time?   What do these things mean to the decision making of the Oline coach and offensive coordinator? 

No one earns a spot and keeps it indefinitely, we all know that.  New recruits threaten positions every year, as they should.  Locklear may be great, and as I said many times on here, he certainly was a road grader on many run plays last year, at the run game and miss talent necessary to make the flexibility needed on the offensive scheme.  Who knows.

My issue with all this is the sour grapes about it all from Clint.  Bad timing, IMHO, and an axe to grind without doubt.  Hope it all settles well for him and he finds a renewed spirit for support and appreciation for the school that gave him so much.

[herdorbust]

Give me a break... You and a couple others go out of your way to try and take shots at the basketball program. People are stating the obvious about football. It has been very mediocre since the great Bob Pruett left.

This ^ 1000 times!!!!

[whf]

This ^ 1000 times!!!!

Groundhogs Day..........................

When will this battle end?  Is there really anyone on here that doesn't root for both sports?  It is funny to me to see the coaches among each other rooting and supporting each other with vim and vigor, and then come on here and see so many try to divide and conquer.  A house divided....................

[Buffalo Bop]

No one wants to see Dan succeed more than Doc; they support each other. Those large energetic crowds Danny attracts have helped a lot in football recruiting. One hand washes the other.

[duckhunterherdfan]

So my question is what did Locklear do that pushed him into the "dog house?" I'm also not big on conspiracy theories. VH states this is all fact and we need to believe him, and while I understand that these facts that he is not willing to divulge must paint a lot in a bad light, why not go ahead and say them? You've alluded to everything else, but without the left out facts it just sounds like conspiracy and sour grapes.

[herdorbust]

Groundhogs Day..........................

When will this battle end?  Is there really anyone on here that doesn't root for both sports?  It is funny to me to see the coaches among each other rooting and supporting each other with vim and vigor, and then come on here and see so many try to divide and conquer.  A house divided....................

I do root for both. But his post was dead on!!!! That is all.

[vanhorn78]

Word is that this year's Oline may be the best Doc has ever coached; wonder if that is contributing to this departure?  How does the Ball kid coming in impact the playing time expected by/for Locklear?  What does the development of the RedShirt Freshman from last year mean to his playing time?   What do these things mean to the decision making of the Oline coach and offensive coordinator? 

No one earns a spot and keeps it indefinitely, we all know that.  New recruits threaten positions every year, as they should.  Locklear may be great, and as I said many times on here, he certainly was a road grader on many run plays last year, at the run game and miss talent necessary to make the flexibility needed on the offensive scheme.  Who knows.

My issue with all this is the sour grapes about it all from Clint.  Bad timing, IMHO, and an axe to grind without doubt.  Hope it all settles well for him and he finds a renewed spirit for support and appreciation for the school that gave him so much.

My issue is not with the school. Neither is Alex’s. It’s with the issues I was very specific about. Bad timing? I’ll check with you and everyone else next time to make sure if it’s a good time or not. And I hope that what doc says is true. I hope this is their best oline. Having an oline better than 2014 would be quite spectacular. I’m friends with almost all of those guys in that room. Friends with a lot of the guys on the team. That doesn’t change whether or not I say what I say.

[vanhorn78]

So my question is what did Locklear do that pushed him into the "dog house?" I'm also not big on conspiracy theories. VH states this is all fact and we need to believe him, and while I understand that these facts that he is not willing to divulge must paint a lot in a bad light, why not go ahead and say them? You've alluded to everything else, but without the left out facts it just sounds like conspiracy and sour grapes.

More questions and speculation would come from all that. Way more. It would also hurt guys on the team now, and be seen as more of an attack than anything else. The things left out are for administration’s eyes first. I said what I said at the beginning, a couple people either challenged me or had some questions. They were answered with great detail. Then there were the things I’ve just said will only be shown to administration. However, I know just about all of them personally too, so I know nothing will be done to fix the problem. What would I have to gain by saying this stuff and it being true? At least, informing you guys from an inside and behind the scenes point of view? At most, having the problems fixed. Sour grapes? No. Maybe sour for all the kids that deal with this on a daily basis. I’ve got a lot of friends that are still on the team. Lock wasn’t the only one. It was my hope that they would figure out how to solve those problems, like I said, regarding my reasoning for waiting until now. I’m thankful to the school for everything it’s done for me. I’ve done a lot for the school too, and plan to do a lot more one day, beyond just playing ball and everything that came along with that. This is the opinion of just about everyone involved. Everyone else is either too scared, in a compromising situation, or just doesn’t care enough. Take from it what you will.

[MicDrass1]

Promised playing time during the recruiting process the issue?  Can't player the better players bc of the promised playing time and everything else that goes along with those promises  ??? ???.  Welcome to the world of bigtime college athletics.  Marshall in the past was bigtime football... probably still is.  Should be!  NFL draft picks galore.  There is no amateurism in bigtime athletics.  Promises and more promises.  Favoritism emerges.  Different strokes for different folks.  I get it.

[vanhorn78]

Promised playing time during the recruiting process the issue?  Can't player the better players bc of the promised playing time and everything else that goes along with those promises  ??? ???.  Welcome to the world of bigtime college athletics.  Marshall in the past was bigtime football... probably still is.  Should be!  NFL draft picks galore.  There is no amateurism in bigtime athletics.  Promises and more promises.  Favoritism emerges.  Different strokes for different folks.  I get it.

It’s funny you mentioned that. I’ve seen guys played on account of them threatening to leave, guys who got their parents involved, and guys played because they were a certain coach’s recruit. Seen that beat out the better man multiple times. It’s the reason Martin Ward never played a down his senior year.

[MicDrass1]

It’s funny you mentioned that. I’ve seen guys played on account of them threatening to leave, guys who got their parents involved, and guys played because they were a certain coach’s recruit. Seen that beat out the better man multiple times. It’s the reason Martin Ward never played a down his senior year.

More common than you think..... but since I follow Marshall so much it's easier to see here.  The tape doesn't lie.

[yogiherd]

Word is that this year's Oline may be the best Doc has ever coached; wonder if that is contributing to this departure?  How does the Ball kid coming in impact the playing time expected by/for Locklear?  What does the development of the RedShirt Freshman from last year mean to his playing time?   What do these things mean to the decision making of the Oline coach and offensive coordinator? 

No one earns a spot and keeps it indefinitely, we all know that.  New recruits threaten positions every year, as they should.  Locklear may be great, and as I said many times on here, he certainly was a road grader on many run plays last year, at the run game and miss talent necessary to make the flexibility needed on the offensive scheme.  Who knows.

My issue with all this is the sour grapes about it all from Clint.  Bad timing, IMHO, and an axe to grind without doubt.  Hope it all settles well for him and he finds a renewed spirit for support and appreciation for the school that gave him so much.

I sure hope Doc is right this time about the OL being the best he's ever coached; last time he said that was before the 2016 season. We do not want a repeat of 2016.
GO HERD!!!

[JudgeDD]

I sure hope Doc is right this time about the OL being the best he's ever coached; last time he said that was before the 2016 season. We do not want a repeat of 2016.
GO HERD!!!

In Doc's defense (a phrase I don't use often), he said that about 2016 before season-ending injuries to Selby and Van Horn.  When you lose your two most experienced leaders and replace them with redshirt freshmen, there is going to be a drop off.  If this season's OL lost Adams and Mollette I think it could still be a decent OL, but I don't think Doc would be calling them the best he's coached.  This could be a really good OL, with more quality depth than I've seen since I've been around here.  Let's hope for a healthy season.

[s1uggo]

I am still trying to  understand the 'culture change' that occurred in 2016.  I know it was a down year.  I went back and looked at the game notes to refresh my memory.  Doc was still HC, Bill Legg the OC, Chuck Heater the DC we added some new assistants, lost some others, which at MU (or any G5 school) would be expected. So I am still trying to find out what really changed (other than the down year)  Too many 'bad' apples?  Is this the year the Rev came on board? (I dont really know)  Dr Kopp has passed in 2014, Gilbert came on in January of 2016, could that have been the change?? VH seems to try to say it goes deeper than Doc. 

[vanhorn78]

I sure hope Doc is right this time about the OL being the best he's ever coached; last time he said that was before the 2016 season. We do not want a repeat of 2016.
GO HERD!!!

To add to what the judge said, reiterating what I said earlier in this thread, we were set up for failure on offense, regardless. Our 2014 team would’ve barely won 6 games if doing what we were doing in 2016. Scheme and personnel. Selby, Dowery and myself were the most adamant and vocal leaders about changing what was wrong, as early as mid-spring because we spoke for the team. Every guy on offense was miserable and guys on defense knew what was going on and supported us. In return we were called selfish, only to have the same coaches that called us selfish, apologize when the season was completely over, for the very things we were saying for 8 months almost daily. After guys saw what happened to the leaders that vocalized an obvious truth, saw how those coaches apologized at the end, but then continued in their way as if they didn’t waste a year, they all became too afraid to speak up. The voice of true leadership is still challenged. Guys are stifled if they step on the wrong toes, those toes not upholding the standard guys like Roberts, Rouse, Jasperse, Vinny, Omar, Mckelvey, Hunter, Selby, Cato, Dev Johnson, Shu, Nev Hewitt, Jarquez Samuels, Cody Carter, and many more worked so hard to be the standard. Part of the injury problem was the scheme. The only way to remedy the problem was to play in a way where your movements were outside of technique and leaving your body susceptible to whatever came. It was literally gambling with your health.

[vanhorn78]

I am still trying to  understand the 'culture change' that occurred in 2016.  I know it was a down year.  I went back and looked at the game notes to refresh my memory.  Doc was still HC, Bill Legg the OC, Chuck Heater the DC we added some new assistants, lost some others, which at MU (or any G5 school) would be expected. So I am still trying to find out what really changed (other than the down year)  Too many 'bad' apples?  Is this the year the Rev came on board? (I dont really know)  Dr Kopp has passed in 2014, Gilbert came on in January of 2016, could that have been the change?? VH seems to try to say it goes deeper than Doc.

If you’re talking about rev steve harvey, then he’s certainly not the problem. He’s been around longer than even doc. The man is one of the best men I know. And yes, deeper than doc, and within the team. I can only compare it to a cancer.