Topic: Tyler King dismissed

[HoPPy785]

I'm not saying offer Doc more money, I'm saying we don't pay enough to get a coach who is better than Doc. I'm not a huge fan either, but be realistic. Who, out here, should we hire to replace him? I think Swinney and Saban are happy where they're at, and I believe Lou Holtz is enjoying retirement.  Sure we can roll the dice on some young coach and hope, but that leads to the WKU scenario I mentioned.

It's not about big money hires, it's about talent evaluation of coaches. I've said it many times but we shouldn't have a coach longer than maybe 3 or 4yrs. If we do then we don't have the right coach. We should be getting our coaches poached and we should be a proving ground for up and comers. We could pay less than Doc makes, which helps you feel better about a possible dud and easier to move on from it. Sure we would have some bad hires and a bad year here and there but we have that now with a 10yr coach. On the flip we will hit a home run from time to time and possibly win an access bowl, which we don't do now. All for less money.

[MicDrass1]

There are good coaches everywhere.  We hired a coach with zero HC experience. Nobody knew how it would turn out.  Look at the programs that stuck before the coaches arrival rather than coaches already at a good program.  Leftwich!!  Offer him 5 years at 1.2 million.  We need nfl passing and running concepts.

[herdfan48]

Wow, you are bringing back some old Herd football memories!

Maybe I am misreading your post, but Moorman did play in at least one game for The Herd.  I remember bringing in a Richmond newspaper with a large article above the fold on the front page of the sports section with an article about Moorman showing up at MU. Moorman was from Danville, VA. I showed it to our AD, at the time, and his expression after seeing the newspaper was priceless.

Here is a link about Moorman playing  for The Herd against Morehead.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/09/12/College-Football-Notebook/5587621576000/

Thanks for correcting my memory. He did play at least a game or 2 for MU.


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[bighat]

Once again we hear from the dump on Doc crowd.  Doc has a standard that he keeps
and if the players don't follow the rules they are dismissed.  I think that is good management and is not something that is a negative.  We don't need anymore sanctions such as players being paid to do nothing.

[Cesspool of Morons]

Once again we hear from the dump on Doc crowd.  Doc has a standard that he keeps
and if the players don't follow the rules they are dismissed.  I think that is good management and is not something that is a negative.  We don't need anymore sanctions such as players being paid to do nothing.

Rules such as allowing Tiquan Lang to play against Purdue even though he was under FBI indictment for illegal gun possession/heroin distribution many months earlier, the coaching staff knew about it, and the staff didn't do anything until after it went public?

Rules such as only suspending Stew Butler for punching a guy just because he was gay, then only dismissing him after the specifics of the case became public?

Sorry, but there is a history of Doc/this administration not acting until a situation becomes public.

[JReese]

Inside football source is telling me that there was NOTHING behind the scenes. After numerous chances and warnings, it truly was a BLATANT disregard for team rules and policies. 

Doc had enough.

If it was what I'm being told, this kid just flat blew it. (no pun intended.)

[wasbarryb]

Sure we can roll the dice on some young coach and hope, but that leads to the WKU scenario I mentioned.

Starting with Parrish and ending with BobbyP that approach worked very well for us in the late 80,s and the entire decade of the 90's.

Doc is a problem, but is only part of the problem.  We've ended up with an AD who lacks the balls to pull out of an unsuccessful experiment, probably out of fear he won't do any better the next hire.  And he has a record of underachievement to justify that fear.

More than one head needs to be rolling out the door of the athletic department.

[HaveUherd]

Ok. I want to know what he did now.

Blew it. Hmmm

[herd2win]

There is not I in team...this was not his first issue so what he did he deserves to be let go...if not there would be anarchy on this team.

[THECHAMPISHERE]

It's not about big money hires, it's about talent evaluation of coaches. I've said it many times but we shouldn't have a coach longer than maybe 3 or 4yrs. If we do then we don't have the right coach. We should be getting our coaches poached and we should be a proving ground for up and comers. We could pay less than Doc makes, which helps you feel better about a possible dud and easier to move on from it. Sure we would have some bad hires and a bad year here and there but we have that now with a 10yr coach. On the flip we will hit a home run from time to time and possibly win an access bowl, which we don't do now. All for less money.

Nominee for post of the year. Not sure why Hamrick can't get this.

Hoppy perfectly explained it. That is how you "G5". We should be a stepping stone for great coaches and should be letting the ones go who can't get it done. I've said it before, you are either good enough to get hired away in 3-4 years by a P5...or you are simply not good enough to coach at Marshall. G5's should ALWAYS keep that revolving door spinning!

[bbcard1]

We've ended up with an AD who lacks the balls to pull out of an unsuccessful experiment, probably out of fear he won't do any better the next hire.  And he has a record of underachievement to justify that fear.

Dan D'antoni may disagree with that assessment. That was a big roll of the dice.

[DC01HERD]

Life in G5 football is either striving to be an access bowl team or be irrelevant. We have become irrelevant. Holiday doesn't win meaningful games. The bowl game does nothing for getting notoriety around the country. How many bowl games would Holiday have coached in the 90's?

[Herd72]

   The really sad thing is I know at least 20 people who were every year season ticket holders, some with 4-6 seats who were also contributing to Big Green, QB Club, etc. and never missed a game plus went to most bowls and close away games ... but since Holiday has sucked the fun out of Marshall football ... they don’t go to ... hell, they don’t really care if they watch on TV or listen anymore. I joined them last Saturday and gave away my four seats. I’m done, just done. The Doc-u-drama is not interesting anymore. I will still go to hoops and plan to watch more minor sports ... except soccer, can’t get excited about soccer, tried but it’s like cricket, equestrian or curling to me. Climbing down off my soapbox now - Doc apologists rip me apart - just calling it as I see it.

[whf]

Well, another one gone. Wonder if the negativism goes with him, or if he sticks around to spew more discontent and try to get others to come along.  Misery loves company.

Doc didn't pick this conference.
Doc didn't piss several hundred people off by the re-seating program.
Doc didn't let the prices get so high for tickets and concessions that many can't afford it any more.

Doc did bring a low ability to communicate effectively, primarily to market his own program, with him.
Doc did let a couple assistant coaches, some responsible for recruiting, bring in some bad attitude kids that hurt the program.
Doc does bring a professional attitude of old-school treatment of the opponent when he has they down, now piling up points for image.

So while I blame a lot of things on Doc, they are , IMHO, no way as significant as a very poor conference where our AD is very comfortable and gets his way a lot.

[herd2win]

I ask this question...other than Byron who would you want to replace Doc...I know the specifics of King and he earned being let go.

[bbcard1]

I would not be surprised to see King playing in a Boilermakers uniform.

[herdorbust]

I ask this question...other than Byron who would you want to replace Doc...I know the specifics of King and he earned being let go.

It doesn’t have to be Byron. It’s Hamricks job to find the right guy. There are guys out there just waiting to get there chance. Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, etc started out as the unknown little guy.

[The Right Stuff]

nice post WHF.

TRS
MU 71

[Big Ol' Hillbilly]

Well, another one gone. Wonder if the negativism goes with him, or if he sticks around to spew more discontent and try to get others to come along.  Misery loves company.

Doc didn't pick this conference.
Doc didn't piss several hundred people off by the re-seating program.
Doc didn't let the prices get so high for tickets and concessions that many can't afford it any more.

Doc did bring a low ability to communicate effectively, primarily to market his own program, with him.
Doc did let a couple assistant coaches, some responsible for recruiting, bring in some bad attitude kids that hurt the program.
Doc does bring a professional attitude of old-school treatment of the opponent when he has they down, now piling up points for image.

So while I blame a lot of things on Doc, they are , IMHO, no way as significant as a very poor conference where our AD is very comfortable and gets his way a lot.

So who do you blame for never beating any team with a pulse? Who do you blame for only winning one championship in the worst conference in the country in a ten year span?

[goherd24]

I ask this question...other than Byron who would you want to replace Doc...I know the specifics of King and he earned being let go.

Yeah, so do a lot of people. And you know what? I bet has it been a doc favorite, no one would ever know it even happened. That being said, a kid makes a mistake like that, kicking him onto the streets is the last place he should go for punishment. i am with nick saban on that philosophy

[Herd 90]

Rules such as allowing Tiquan Lang to play against Purdue even though he was under FBI indictment for illegal gun possession/heroin distribution many months earlier, the coaching staff knew about it, and the staff didn't do anything until after it went public?

Rules such as only suspending Stew Butler for punching a guy just because he was gay, then only dismissing him after the specifics of the case became public?.

Uhh, that's called assault.  If he was caught doing this to anyone, even if they were straight and not "just gay," he should have been suspended.  Do you think he would have got off without any consequences if he'd been caught punching a straight student?

[Herdalum83]

Uhh, that's called assault.  If he was caught doing this to anyone, even if they were straight and not "just gay," he should have been suspended.  Do you think he would have got off without any consequences if he'd been caught punching a straight student?

Butler had to go. You can't just punch random people for any reason other than self defense, absolutely can't just sneak someone on the street because you don't like who they're dating.

But, while straight or gay should have had no impact on his arrest and his being kicked off the team, let's be honest it probably did. A fight with a straight man probably gets a slap on the wrist from the program and chalked up to young men outside a bar, these things happen sometime type deal and it certainly wouldn't have gotten the media attention it got nationally had he punched a straight dude.

With that said. Screw Stewart Butler, he was a Maroon. We have to stop recruiting this type of player. I dont care how talented. We need guys that love the game more than they love running the streets. Far too often we get players who the game is secondary to them.

I'd rather have a slightly lesser athlete who is dedicated to the sport and loves the game than I would a player with immense skill who doesn't have the same passion for the sport.

[bighat]

Tiquan Lang and Stew Butler, it is called due process.  Innocent until proven guilty and we have had football players and other athletes that were accused of crimes they did not commit.
You get rich from lottery, love and litigation.

[HerdBlizz]

Inside football source is telling me that there was NOTHING behind the scenes. After numerous chances and warnings, it truly was a BLATANT disregard for team rules and policies. 

Doc had enough.

If it was what I'm being told, this kid just flat blew it. (no pun intended.)

Your inside sources must not be that inside.  Trying to duplicate the name of a video game in real life will get you booted!!!!

[The E-Man]

Tiquan Lang and Stew Butler, it is called due process. Innocent until proven guilty and we have had football players and other athletes that were accused of crimes they did not commit.
You get rich from lottery, love and litigation.

This is true, remember Troy Evans being wrongfully accused? I feel bad for Butler, because he reacted when he should have just walked away. As for Lang, I don't have any empathy for him, especially selling heroin that kills people...