Topic: Kansas State went from zero positive tests to shutdown in less than a week

[Big City]

The Athletic

Kansas State has paused all voluntary football workouts for the next two weeks after a round of re-testing revealed the number of players in its program testing positive for COVID-19 continues to rise.

The school announced its decision to suspend its voluntary workouts for 14 days in a release on Saturday afternoon, citing 14 student-athletes who have now tested positive for COVID-19 as of Friday. Those 14 players are self-isolating for at least 10 days, while the rest of their teammates now must quarantine and wait to restart their preparation for the 2020 season.

Kansas State’s two-week pause is indicative of the challenge college football programs across the country are facing this month. They have established carefully crafted policies and best practices based on local, state, national and CDC guidelines for reintroducing players to their football facilities. But the next step of ensuring a group of more than 100 players all comply with the rules can come with obstacles.

https://theathletic.com/1884185/2020/06/21/kansas-state-football-coronavirus-tests/?source=dailyemail

[Herdmeister]

the chances of having a full season of college football is looking more and more bleak every day IMO.

[Rockin Herd Fan]

My heart wants the football season to be played, but my head keeps telling me that it probably isn't going to happen. 

[herd2win]

I have many questions...I know what caused Clemsons issues but what led to the Kansas St issues?  If all involved were tested prior to being together how then does it grow unless they are not testing properly.  If the team was isolated how did they go from zero to 14 players?

[sardistim]

My heart wants the football season to be played, but my head keeps telling me that it probably isn't going to happen.

I'm not giving up football hope, yet.  I wonder how diligent some of these teams are being regarding COVID.  It was reported Marshall had 3 cases when players came back.  Hamrick reported that he told players that if they wanted to play football on Aug 29, it would depend on how closely they followed protocols.  So, far we haven't heard about more cases.  Maybe Hamrick and Doc are creating a culture about this that is keeping players in line.  Are these other schools not taking it seriously?  I'm hoping these early cases threaten football enough that coaches and players will be motivated to do what is needed to play.

[gochneaur645]

Trying to keep this under control with 100 players breathing and sweating on each other every day is almost literally impossible. Especially once they're on campus with tens of thousands of other 18-22 year olds who definitely aren't going to be following many social distancing guidelines.

The powers that be need to decide if they're cool with basically every unpaid athlete being almost certainly exposed to the virus. And statistically, if every FBS player is exposed, at least one of them will die. Not to mention probably a few older and unhealthier coaches.

The other choice is to just shut it all down. I just don't see this attempt to test and contain over 100 people every week being anything other than a disaster. Best case scenario, you're gonna have random games being cancelled every week because an entire team has to quarantine.

[wasbarryb]

I have many questions...I know what caused Clemsons issues but what led to the Kansas St issues?  If all involved were tested prior to being together how then does it grow unless they are not testing properly.  If the team was isolated how did they go from zero to 14 players?

Unless they had been isolated for two weeks between being tested, and getting together, it means one or more wasn't showing signs of being infected when first tested, but having the disease.  Once they were together they were infecting each other.

[Killer Buffalo]

Stop testing. 

[whf]

I am convinced that if 100% of us were tested, regardless of where we've been, or who've we've been around, 40% or better of us would test positive.  And if we really studied how we've felt compared to when 100% healthy, we'd probably be able to recognize days when we felt like crap; maybe attributable to a virus inside us. 

We don't know what we don't know, and it appears we don't even know what we do know. 

But I'm betting the only football we'll be watching on TV this coming fall is the games we choose to watch from last years and years past.  It isn't a health issue now, its a liability issue; the greatest risk in our country today IMHO.

[goherd24]

The virus needs to run its course and burn out. Killing the economy off the rest of the way would be worse, and at best, this will destroy many college womens and non revenue sports.

This thing can't be stopped, slowing it down so it is s problem longer is just silly to me.

[ThunderingHerdFan]

K-State tested everyone and it came back negative. Then a guy who wasn’t there on time for the initial testing arrived. He was tested after the initial tests. He participated with team activities and was in the locker room before his test results came back. He tested positive. He had already exposed a bunch of the team by then.

Crazy how dumb that was when you think about it. All those precautions thrown away by one person.

[herdfan429]

Bring everyone in and have a good ole fashion chicken pox party for 2 weeks then move on

[longtimeherdfan]

I am convinced that if 100% of us were tested, regardless of where we've been, or who've we've been around, 40% or better of us would test positive.  And if we really studied how we've felt compared to when 100% healthy, we'd probably be able to recognize days when we felt like crap; maybe attributable to a virus inside us. 

We don't know what we don't know, and it appears we don't even know what we do know. 

But I'm betting the only football we'll be watching on TV this coming fall is the games we choose to watch from last years and years past.  It isn't a health issue now, its a liability issue; the greatest risk in our country today IMHO.

Regarding your first paragraph, I've read, and heard, similar thoughts in a handful of articles and from discussions with a few medical professionals. Especially when you consider that there's a presumption that covid 19 was most likely in the country around Thanksgiving 2019.

[herdorbust]

I am convinced that if 100% of us were tested, regardless of where we've been, or who've we've been around, 40% or better of us would test positive.  And if we really studied how we've felt compared to when 100% healthy, we'd probably be able to recognize days when we felt like crap; maybe attributable to a virus inside us. 

We don't know what we don't know, and it appears we don't even know what we do know. 

But I'm betting the only football we'll be watching on TV this coming fall is the games we choose to watch from last years and years past.  It isn't a health issue now, its a liability issue; the greatest risk in our country today IMHO.

We agree on something😁😁😁

[herdfan129]

Bring everyone in and have a good ole fashion chicken pox party for 2 weeks then move on

That would make too much sense.

[bighat]

So, let me get this logic straight, stop testing, stick our head in the sand and let the death rate continue because we are all going to die sometime.

[elginherd]

So, let me get this logic straight, stop testing, stick our head in the sand and let the death rate continue because we are all going to die sometime.

Yep, that is largely the strategy being advocated by our national leadership and many of the states.

[herdfan429]

So, let me get this logic straight, stop testing, stick our head in the sand and let the death rate continue because we are all going to die sometime.

If you look at the numbers actual death rate is FALLING

[herdfan129]

If you look at the numbers actual death rate is FALLING

Please don't bring facts and reasoning in to this discussion. Some of them won't know what to do.

[2xBison]

If you look at the numbers actual death rate is FALLING

so that is why we only hear about the number of cases or infection rates now, huh.  darn death rates so low it isn't a story.

[MUonium]

how many morons does it take to screw a death rate?  please rate this joke from 15 to 0 in a matter of days.
 

[ThunderingHerdFan]

so that is why we only hear about the number of cases or infection rates now, huh.  darn death rates so low it isn't a story.

I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’ll put that out upfront. But let’s wait 2 weeks and see what’s happening. Seems younger people are getting it now and they spread it quicker among themselves than the old folks do.

The thing is, the old folks will still get it from them. And they’re the ones we worry about. Hopefully the death rate stays where it is or drops. We should learn more by then from this outbreak.

[2xBison]

And that’s why older folks and others with existing health issues that put them at risk should exercise much more precautionary measures. 


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[herd2win]

This is a common sense situation...this is very easy to catch and in the end I read a Harvard Dr saying 70 to 80% of the world will have had the virus or will get it.  If you are in the risk category or will be dealing with someone in that category then take precautions.

This virus for the Huge majority of people will have minor symptoms and long term effects.

[ThunderingHerdFan]

And that’s why older folks and others with existing health issues that put them at risk should exercise much more precautionary measures. 


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My parents are in their 70’s and I’m an only child. They’re dependent on me. So I, too, have to be careful, but I also have to work each day, at a business of mostly 20-30 year olds, but with some 50+ year olds who are cancer survivors and can not work from home.

I understand what you are saying but I don’t think we’re able to untangle our society as much as would be required to not keep an eye on things. The fact that you can get it twice, or be asymptomatic... it’s not the young people I worry about at all. It’s the people they come in contact with.