Topic: Marshall Board of Governors Votes to Change Name of Jenkins Hall

[svherd]

We should learn from our history and be better because of it; good and bad. If you are troubled by something that happened 150-200 years ago, you likely need therapy.

[HaveUherd]

I’d say the people that need therapy are the ones flying the traitor flags and still can’t take the L.

But that’s just me.

[herdorbust]

I’d say the people that need therapy are the ones flying the traitor flags and still can’t take the L.

But that’s just me.

I don’t have a problem with removing the flag. But I do have a problem with destroying and defacing all statues and monuments. Wanting Lincoln taken down. The hating of my Rushmore and on and on. Seems to me if you are upset over all of those things you either need to find another country or a good dr.

[svherd]

Yep, see what Bernie and Obama said about Mt. Rushmore and how the media gushed over that. Then Trump goes there and all hell breaks loose. CNN just plain sucks, as does most of the national media.

[gochneaur645]

We should learn from our history and be better because of it; good and bad. If you are troubled by something that happened 150-200 years ago, you likely need therapy.

I would counter that with saying anybody who's troubled by a piece of granite that celebrates slavery and traitors being taken down or destroyed is the one who needs therapy.

There's an extreme minority who want statues of Washington and Lincoln gone. The vast majority are talking about Confederate statues that were raised during the Jim Crow era to intimidate blacks.

The forgetting history argument is the weakest thing I've ever heard. Statues are there to honor people worth honoring. There aren't any Nazi statues in Germany. There's a million other places to learn history from.

[2xBison]

I would counter that with saying anybody who's troubled by a piece of granite that celebrates slavery and traitors being taken down or destroyed is the one who needs therapy.

There's an extreme minority who want statues of Washington and Lincoln gone. The vast majority are talking about Confederate statues that were raised during the Jim Crow era to intimidate blacks.

The forgetting history argument is the weakest thing I've ever heard. Statues are there to honor people worth honoring. There aren't any Nazi statues in Germany. There's a million other places to learn history from.

this history would not even be learned by most if we weren't going through the name change.  I'd bet 99% of all MU students the last 100 years have or had no idea who Jenkins was or why that particular building was called Jenkins Hall.  seems like in our imperfect world there would be bigger fish to fry.  but, since we have so many woke, let's get it done.

[joeblackhorns]

I wonder what will become of Green Bottom ,Jenkins' plantation house up on Rt 2. It has been undergoing repairs for years. They say that many slaves are buried unmarked and unknown on the outer grounds.

[svherd]

I would counter that with saying anybody who's troubled by a piece of granite that celebrates slavery and traitors being taken down or destroyed is the one who needs therapy.

There's an extreme minority who want statues of Washington and Lincoln gone. The vast majority are talking about Confederate statues that were raised during the Jim Crow era to intimidate blacks.

The forgetting history argument is the weakest thing I've ever heard. Statues are there to honor people worth honoring. There aren't any Nazi statues in Germany. There's a million other places to learn history from.

Germany hasn't shied away from their history. They learned from it and that still continues today. Are they ashamed, yes. Are they pushing away from public eye and sweeping it under the rug? No.

[HaveUherd]

Not that it matters a whole lot now that the program has been gutted but I could see different schools using negative recruiting for places that have statues/ buildings, etc. named for confederates. Yes, possibly even the university name in Marshall’s case. I don’t think I’d go as far as renaming but I bet there will be a push made by some people.

[ThunderValley]

How many of you approve of child slave labor? Are you wearing clothing and shoes made by Nike? just asking

[The E-Man]

Confederate=traitor...period.

Confederates will protect their own, you can see it on this board. Unreal!

[The E-Man]

Not that it matters a whole lot now that the program has been gutted but I could see different schools using negative recruiting for places that have statues/ buildings, etc. named for confederates. Yes, possibly even the university name in Marshall’s case. I don’t think I’d go as far as renaming but I bet there will be a push made by some people.

Trust me, I'll be the first in line fighting to keep Marshall's name intact.

[marshallmark]

Not that it matters a whole lot now that the program has been gutted but I could see different schools using negative recruiting for places that have statues/ buildings, etc. named for confederates. Yes, possibly even the university name in Marshall’s case. I don’t think I’d go as far as renaming but I bet there will be a push made by some people.

You're assuming that most football coaches have any idea about the background of the namesakes. 

The genesis of Yale's name is pretty well known by now, but Duke's namesake also owned at least one slave and fought for the Confederacy.  Thomas Clemson served in the Confederate army and owned some 50 slaves.  I would venture to guess that every institution of higher ed in the south has a few or many skeletons in its closet.   

[The E-Man]

We should learn from our history and be better because of it; good and bad. If you are troubled by something that happened 150-200 years ago, you likely need therapy.

History has a bad habit of repeating itself, just saying! I'm sure if you were black, you would have a different view about what happened years ago and wouldn't want it swept under the rugs..

[The E-Man]

I would counter that with saying anybody who's troubled by a piece of granite that celebrates slavery and traitors being taken down or destroyed is the one who needs therapy.

There's an extreme minority who want statues of Washington and Lincoln gone. The vast majority are talking about Confederate statues that were raised during the Jim Crow era to intimidate blacks.

The forgetting history argument is the weakest thing I've ever heard. Statues are there to honor people worth honoring.There aren't any Nazi statues in Germany. There's a million other places to learn history from.

^Well said, and Thank You! As a black man, seeing racist's monuments in parks makes my skin crawl. Those monuments belong in a museum and not in a public park.

[gochneaur645]

Germany hasn't shied away from their history. They learned from it and that still continues today. Are they ashamed, yes. Are they pushing away from public eye and sweeping it under the rug? No.

Again, they have no statues of Nazis. So you can't argue that they learned from it and also argue that learning requires statues.

[ThunderValley]

I remember this.... Communist leader Nikita Khrushchev said, “We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within....” 

[herd2win]

I enjoy open discussions like this thread..when reasonable discussions happen we can always learn.  We are all products our our individual life experiences and bring those views to the discussion.  We should learn from history and move to a better place.

You just can’t use today’s standards and apply to the past.  My teachers used paddles to discipline students in a public school system in WV...every teacher had their own paddle..do we go back now and arrest all of those teachers for child abuse?

Again...Robert Byrd seems to be getting a pass in all of this but he was a racist in modern times...

[svherd]

History has a bad habit of repeating itself, just saying! I'm sure if you were black, you would have a different view about what happened years ago and wouldn't want it swept under the rugs..

E, that's the point, I don't want it swept under the rug but neither you nor I can change what happened. It was a sad time in our history, thus we need to learn from it and not repeat it. In eliminating any reference is in essence sweeping it under the rug and turning a blind eye. That will be lost on future generations - something we don't want. This can be a very positive and teachable moment for all, something that can be a huge positive for our country. That's the way I look at it.

[goherd73]

 
Jenkins probably had the largest slave plantation in West Virginia. During the war he captured free blacks and sold them into slavery in Richmond.


I think we should rename the building for Carter G Woodson.

 Known as the  Father of Black History. He was an educator and grew up in Huntington.

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[svherd]

Again, they have no statues of Nazis. So you can't argue that they learned from it and also argue that learning requires statues.

I suggest you read some articles on the subject. While they may have not statues, they have Auschwitz and other physical reminders of that horrible period. Read up on Willy Brandt and other leaders after WWII. Very interesting stuff.

[gochneaur645]

I suggest you read some articles on the subject. While they may have not statues, they have Auschwitz and other physical reminders of that horrible period. Read up on Willy Brandt and other leaders after WWII. Very interesting stuff.

And we still have Gettysburg, Antietam, and hundreds of other battlefields open to the public where anybody can learn about the Civil War.

Auschwitz is about honoring the victims. There's no statue of Heinrich Himmler at the front gate there. American Confederate statues are about honoring the perpetrators. There's a big difference.

[herdorbust]

I would counter that with saying anybody who's troubled by a piece of granite that celebrates slavery and traitors being taken down or destroyed is the one who needs therapy.

There's an extreme minority who want statues of Washington and Lincoln gone. The vast majority are talking about Confederate statues that were raised during the Jim Crow era to intimidate blacks.

The forgetting history argument is the weakest thing I've ever heard. Statues are there to honor people worth honoring. There aren't any Nazi statues in Germany. There's a million other places to learn history from.

And I would counter that if the Dukes of hazard upsets you, gone with the wind, companies removing the word Whitening etc... then you have a problem.

[MidlandKnight]

I enjoy open discussions like this thread..when reasonable discussions happen we can always learn.  We are all products our our individual life experiences and bring those views to the discussion.  We should learn from history and move to a better place.

You just can’t use today’s standards and apply to the past.  My teachers used paddles to discipline students in a public school system in WV...every teacher had their own paddle..do we go back now and arrest all of those teachers for child abuse?

Again...Robert Byrd seems to be getting a pass in all of this but he was a racist in modern times...

Lets get the facts straight on Byrd. He was in fact a former member of the KKK.As a matter of fact he organized the chapter in his area, but the key word is FORMER. In fact Byrd admitted to it and is on record to apologizing for his beliefs. Not only did he apologize, but he went on to attempt to make amends for his past deeds. That is why the NAACP ranked him as one of the the top senators for supporting their issues.

Now I am sure some will say he changed for political reasons, maybe so. However, I prefer to not take the cynical or political approach and analyze the situation. My question is did Byrd really have to help minorities to advance his political career? After all he had been a State Senator for a state which was 98% white for over 40 some years, plus NOBODY was going to defeat him.


As to Jenkins, what do we know about him? He fought against the United States of America in an attempt to keep African-Americans in bondage. Seeing that Marshall has more than white students on it campus and WANTS to recruit more, it is probably a good idea to change the name.

At to our namesake John Marshall...... He was quite a confusing character..... He was in fact a slave owner, but believed slavery was a sin. In fact, he formed the American Colonization Society which purpose was to send blacks back to Africa. Not only did he do this, but he also represented slaves for free to win their freedom. Despite all of these actions he died still having several slaves.

My personal opinion on Marshall is the good outweighed the bad and we must take into account the times he lived in. Slavery was a huge part of our society, in particular Virginia. The fact he was willing to represent Slaves in that era, to me , is a big statement.

[herdorbust]

Confederates will protect their own, you can see it on this board. Unreal!

And rioters, looters, defund police etc will protect their own.