Topic: Re: Stadium Rules **Topic carried over from main board**

[herdorbust]

Judging by what people were posting, they don't understand what the CDC was saying.

We understand exactly what they were saying. You and the left are the ones that want to talk about the high numbers. This virus is being run on a constant count to keep the public terrified of something that isn’t near as bad as they want us to believe. Can it kill you? Yes it can. Just like the flu, car wrecks, cancer etc... if they ran a tally every minute of other deaths and diseases I’m sure they could terrify a lot of Americans the same way. The point is, your chances of dying from this is minimal. The older you are the more risk. Just like if a 30 year old and a 90 year old gets pneumonia. Who is most likely to not survive? But can a 30 year old die from it? Sure just like they have from cancer, flu etc... this is not the boogie man for all Americans they are portraying. Like the CDC says only 6% or around 10,000 people have died “directly” from covid.

[herdorbust]

6% of Covid deaths had no comorbidity conditions.  This is supposed to show what exactly?  40% of adult Americans are obese.  Near 50% of adult Americans have high blood pressure.  Circulatory problems, renal problems, generalized respiratory problems, asthma, on and on and on.  All of these are comorbidities that would be outside of this 6%.  Walk around your local grocery store and ask yourself how many adults that you see are not overweight, have breathing problems, high cholesterol, diabetes, early stage heart disease, or asthma.  Damn near the whole population has some comorbidity.  This argument people are making about the 6% would hold some weight if having a comorbidity were the exception, but it is not.  It is the rule.  I am what everyone would call a healthy man in my late 30s.  I look to be in reasonably good shape.  I exercise.  I coach my kids in sports.  I have every expectation of living a long time.  But if I were to die of Covid, I would be listed as having a comorbidity because I have early stage high blood pressure (that I control with exercise) and asthma (for which I use a daily inhaled steroid).  That would put me in the 94% category and thus "oh well" apparently.

Yes but you have to add in the positive case that was killed in a car wreck that they counted. Or the guy or woman that Had no symptoms that died of a heart attack and on and on. Those have all been counted also.

[herdorbust]

Well, that's not remotely true unless by "many" you mean "a few".  And, recall, that high blood pressure, diabetes and obesity are under the listing of "other major illnesses" which, I'm guessing, one or more of which most of us on this board have.  Anecdotally, I've personally seen a healthy 55 year old have to stay 5 days in ICU before turning the corner and recovering, and another 28 year old former college athlete who almost died and was in ICU for 30 days b/c of this virus.  The Broadway star that just died (Nick Cordero) was a completely healthy 41 year old. 

We still don't know the long-term affects of COVID on recovered adults, but it looks more and more like it can do permanent lung or heart damage.

My wife and I are healthy 60 year olds, but we take precautions - we don't go to restaurants other than to eat outside.  We wear masks and social distance from everyone.  We don't attend large gatherings like weddings or, even, church unless its a small gathering.  Until a vaccine is available, we'll continue to do that -- for our safety AND THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE WITH WHICH WE COME IN CONTACT.  And that last sentence is the thing - someone that doesn't want to - and doesn't - wear a mask in public is disrespecting me and everyone that he/she comes in contact with.  I don't get the selfishness and chutzpah of that person, and - honestly - it tells me all I need to know about that person's character.

Wear your mask this Saturday.  Take it off to drink a cold one, then put it right back on. Don't tailgate, even on private property.  Do the right thing and we may get to have a full season this year.

Should we wear masks every year during flu season from now on? You do realize 50’000 people die every year from the flu in the USA. Shouldn’t we start to protect them also. So this should be the norm now?

[marshallmark]

Yes but you have to add in the positive case that was killed in a car wreck that they counted. Or the guy or woman that Had no symptoms that died of a heart attack and on and on. Those have all been counted also.

This has been generally debunked over the past several months and stems from an unsupported comment from FL Gov. DeSantis.  "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidance doesn’t direct caregivers to list all deaths as COVID-19 deaths simply because the disease was detected in the decedent. Instead, it instructs caregivers to list various factors contributing to death in appropriate sections of death certificates. In other words, it does not state that anyone who suffers an unnatural death such as a traffic accident should be listed as a COVID-19-caused death if they also happen to test positive, even if the disease didn’t cause to their death". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

[marshallmark]

Should we wear masks every year during flu season from now on? You do realize 50’000 people die every year from the flu in the USA. Shouldn’t we start to protect them also. So this should be the norm now?

WHO report:  While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

CDC report:  Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.

My daughter is a pediatrician/internist, and Chief Medical Officer of a large clinic system in Iowa.  She has infectious disease specialists working under her.  She tells me that this isn't even close to being a "flu" in its affect or its severity, and that EVERYONE should be wearing a mask in public.  That's enough for me, let alone that the people we pay to study this stuff are all saying the same thing. 

[parshall2marshall]

Dr. Sayer Ji weighs in on the CDC announcement :

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/video-ny-timesavaaz-spreads-misinformation-about-greenmedinfocom-cdc-new-death-sta

He's a microbiologist or something. He has written at least one book on topics at the cellular level. He basically flips marshallmark's statistics 180 degrees, labeling this thing as a "casedemic" and that traditional flu's have a much higher fatality rate. He promulgates ideas such as the lack of isolation of this thing, that there are hundreds of CV's out there, etc.

There was a post on the ToG Board with audio from the former president of Ghana's speech on a document he had been given. Last I looked it only had 13 views, which I thought was sad. There is so much suppression of information for those not following the narrative that it is scary.

Heck, I'm no medical expert. But seems there is serious writing on the wall. The only thing I know is me and my clan are outta here - and soon I think.

[herdorbust]

WHO report:  While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

CDC report:  Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.

My daughter is a pediatrician/internist, and Chief Medical Officer of a large clinic system in Iowa.  She has infectious disease specialists working under her.  She tells me that this isn't even close to being a "flu" in its affect or its severity, and that EVERYONE should be wearing a mask in public.  That's enough for me, let alone that the people we pay to study this stuff are all saying the same thing.

That is a very dumb response. So people don’t get the flu? There are way more cases of the flu. Do 30-60 thousand people die every year from the flu in the USA? Answer me!!!! If so, then why aren’t those people important? Shouldn’t we wear a mask to protect them? Are you saying you don’t catch the flu from other people sneezing and breathing on you or touching things? Unreal!!!!

[herdorbust]

This has been generally debunked over the past several months and stems from an unsupported comment from FL Gov. DeSantis.  "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidance doesn’t direct caregivers to list all deaths as COVID-19 deaths simply because the disease was detected in the decedent. Instead, it instructs caregivers to list various factors contributing to death in appropriate sections of death certificates. In other words, it does not state that anyone who suffers an unnatural death such as a traffic accident should be listed as a COVID-19-caused death if they also happen to test positive, even if the disease didn’t cause to their death". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

Lol!!! Yes it has never happened.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[marshallmark]

That is a very dumb response. So people don’t get the flu? There are way more cases of the flu. Do 30-60 thousand people die every year from the flu in the USA? Answer me!!!! If so, then why aren’t those people important? Shouldn’t we wear a mask to protect them? Are you saying you don’t catch the flu from other people sneezing and breathing on you or touching things? Unreal!!!!

First, I would never respond to you by saying one of your responses was dumb.  That's rude.  And, it probably wouldn't be true unless you posted something positive about WVU.  We can differ about what we believe, but no need to call each other or our posts dumb.

Secondly, the statistics show that a lot of people get the flu.  Just that not as many that do die as with COVID.  Of course you get the influenza virus from other people, but the COVID virus is more easily spread, is potentially a lot more serious, and we have no herd immunity against it since its never been around before.  That's it.  if you don't trust the numbers and the scientists that tell you to wear a mask or stay home, so be it.  Just don't give the virus to me or mine. 

[herdorbust]

First, I would never respond to you by saying one of your responses was dumb.  That's rude.  And, it probably wouldn't be true unless you posted something positive about WVU.  We can differ about what we believe, but no need to call each other or our posts dumb.

Secondly, the statistics show that a lot of people get the flu.  Just that not as many that do die as with COVID.  Of course you get the influenza virus from other people, but the COVID virus is more easily spread, is potentially a lot more serious, and we have no herd immunity against it since its never been around before.  That's it.  if you don't trust the numbers and the scientists that tell you to wear a mask or stay home, so be it.  Just don't give the virus to me or mine.

I don’t see easier spread. 6 million compared to 60 million. Yes we have been wearing those silk masks🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. But still answer the question. Aren’t those 50,000 that die a year from the flu deserve the same respect? Wear masks about half the year from now on right?

[herdfan129]

You can go to several sites and see that only 6% of the deaths were covid only related.  It also states that the other deaths had on average 2.6 other illnesses that were the main factors in the deaths.  That equates to only about 11000 deaths directly related to covid which is such a minute percent not even worth mentioning...it is .00003 percent of the US population.

So mathematically, we have a better chance of dying from the asteroid passing by Earth on November 2nd. It has a .03% chance of hitting Earth......we should all freak out.

[herdfan129]

We would have been through the worst of this a long time ago if Americans were not children.

What? There was never a pandemic. We would have already been through the worst of this if it wasn't an election year.

[herdfan129]

We understand exactly what they were saying. You and the left are the ones that want to talk about the high numbers. This virus is being run on a constant count to keep the public terrified of something that isn’t near as bad as they want us to believe. Can it kill you? Yes it can. Just like the flu, car wrecks, cancer etc... if they ran a tally every minute of other deaths and diseases I’m sure they could terrify a lot of Americans the same way. The point is, your chances of dying from this is minimal. The older you are the more risk. Just like if a 30 year old and a 90 year old gets pneumonia. Who is most likely to not survive? But can a 30 year old die from it? Sure just like they have from cancer, flu etc... this is not the boogie man for all Americans they are portraying. Like the CDC says only 6% or around 10,000 people have died “directly” from covid.

I wish they would give a daily report on abortion numbers, or kids who get sex trafficked.

[herdorbust]

I wish they would give a daily report on abortion numbers, or kids who get sex trafficked.

Oh, the left would come unhinges if they did!!!!

[HerdHopeful07]

Just wear a mask at the game. If you want football just do it. This board is becoming horrible trying to sift through the constant political arguments and name calling.

[herdfan129]

Just wear a mask at the game. If you want football just do it. This board is becoming horrible trying to sift through the constant political arguments and name calling.

Just get in the box car, it will be safe there  ::)

[HerdHopeful07]

Just get in the box car, it will be safe there  ::)

Oh i know its definitely the same as internment camps and Jewish ghettos. Get over yourself. Its a very simple and easy thing to do. If they require it just do it or don't go. Either way not even close to the same.

[herdfan129]

Oh i know its definitely the same as internment camps and Jewish ghettos. Get over yourself. Its a very simple and easy thing to do. If they require it just do it or don't go. Either way not even close to the same.

Getting on that box car is easy too.

[HerdHopeful07]

Getting on that box car is easy too.

Let me help you with this one. Jewish people were forced on the box car or to relocate to the ghettos ect. You have a CHOICE wear a mask or dont go. You aren't losing any rights. You aren't being targeted. Either wear a mask or don't go. If you don't go it will be on ESPN so you can sit at home on this site complaining about anyone who doesn't agree with your view point. 

[bbcard1]

I would hope one wouldn't form their view on something like this from personal experiences.

Actually, I have a close friend who had headed up the study of COVID for a major health system. He began studying it in 2019. That's where I get my facts on this virus. But my personal experiences buoy the things he has been telling me.

[herdorbust]

Just get in the box car, it will be safe there  ::)

So so true. That is what we are becoming. Line up !!!

[parshall2marshall]

Here's what I would call a middle-of-the-road viewpoint from someone who has been involved with the death reporting, coroners; and the like.

It's a long expose, even at 1.5 speed. One can tell her views on the over-reporting, life-shortening aspects but at the end medical professionals basically force her to admit that for those with pre-existing conditions that C-19 is extremely dangerous. My lawyer ( in his late 20's I think ) went in for leg surgery, caught C-19, and became gravely ill.

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