Topic: Tamar Slay Son

[Herdmeister]

Tamar and his oldest son sat next to me last night at the C of C game. They were both clad in HERD clothing and loving on The Herd.  I asked his son, who's names escapes me was asked if he wanted to play at Marshall. Absolutely,  he said. He was telling me he is in the 8th grade and stands 6'1".
From video I've seen, he can play.

[herd2win]

Tamar was a smooth player for the Herd..I enjoyed his game.

[Thundering In MD]

Danny will probably be retired by then, so the kid may have a chance at getting an offer.

[Herdalum83]

Danny will probably be retired by then, so the kid may have a chance at getting an offer.

So Danny passes on one former player's son and that is reason enough for a comment like this? lol

Also, for all of the talk about how badly we whiffed on Holden and how much better having him would make us, I wasn't that impressed with him when we played Wright State. He had a nice sequence where his hustle took advantage of some laziness on our part and he got an Offensive rebound then a big 3 out of it. But, other than that, I wasn't overly impressed, especially with his foul shooting. I'm not saying he couldn't be on the team and contribute, but some on here acted like he would have made us a for sure NCAA tournament team.

[svherd]

So Danny passes on one former player's son and that is reason enough for a comment like this? lol

Also, for all of the talk about how badly we whiffed on Holden and how much better having him would make us, I wasn't that impressed with him when we played Wright State. He had a nice sequence where his hustle took advantage of some laziness on our part and he got an Offensive rebound then a big 3 out of it. But, other than that, I wasn't overly impressed, especially with his foul shooting. I'm not saying he couldn't be on the team and contribute, but some on here acted like he would have made us a for sure NCAA tournament team.

Like offering Chad's son. It would have been nice to offer him as a legacy. I do think he would contribute a good bit more than some of the players currently on roster.

[Herdmeister]

Like offering Chad's son. It would have been nice to offer him as a legacy. I do think he would contribute a good bit more than some of the players currently on roster.

Remember Danny offered Holden as a freshman but in his eyes, he hadn't developed into the player he felt was right. Also remember that Danny and Rodney discussed it and the scholarship wasn't pulled until it was certain that Holden had more than one other firm offer in the table. He would not leave the kid hanging. I know for a fact that Danny saw him play in person numerous times and Corny even more times before the decision was made. It wasn't because of one bad game

[herd2win]

Remember Danny offered Holden as a freshman but in his eyes, he hadn't developed into the player he felt was right. Also remember that Danny and Rodney discussed it and the scholarship wasn't pulled until it was certain that Holden had more than one other firm offer in the table. He would not leave the kid hanging. I know for a fact that Danny saw him play in person numerous times and Corny even more times before the decision was made. It wasn't because of one bad game

Then that is even more of an issue if they thought some of the others they offered were better than Holden after watching him several times.  I like our team but it made no sense not to make Holden a member of our team.  Rodney was great and I am sure his son will have that same drive and personality.

[Herdmeister]

Then that is even more of an issue if they thought some of the others they offered were better than Holden after watching him several times.  I like our team but it made no sense not to make Holden a member of our team.  Rodney was great and I am sure his son will have that same drive and personality.

I'm sure we would all look at things differently if it were OUR jobs on the line dealing with success on the floor. He recruits players on not only how good they are now but he is projecting out 3 to 4 years in the future. He also has to determine if he thinks a kid is coachable. He has told us many times he doesn't recruit a kid on where he is now but where he thinks he can be down the road

[Thundering In MD]

Jeez it was a joke.  I’m a member of the Tip Off Club.

[Garbanjo]

Jeez it was a joke.  I’m a member of the Tip Off Club.

Plenty of dead weight on the Herd bench

Holden should be with us but it’s done now

Go Herd!

[HerdinNT]

Lets see.  Herdmeister states that DD and others on staff watched the younger Holden many times.  He also posted that they watched the recruit from Virginia Beach-cant remember his name but something like Rucker ( I remember a post from Herdmeitser on him when he was a senior in High School and he raved about the kid and the staff noted this as well ). Now, all are suppose to be good-you would expect this- at looking at a recruit's potential.  Clearly and without question their decision on both was terrible at best.     

[MUonium]

Lets see.  Herdmeister states that DD and others on staff watched the younger Holden many times.  He also posted that they watched the recruit from Virginia Beach-cant remember his name but something like Rucker ( I remember a post from Herdmeitser on him when he was a senior in High School and he raved about the kid and the staff noted this as well ). Now, all are suppose to be good-you would expect this- at looking at a recruit's potential.  Clearly and without question their decision on both was terrible at best.     

Yes, a few of us said from the beginning that Rucker was a mistake.  why? his film showed clearly that he was a bit clunky, that the competition and his supporting teammates masked his true future abilities in and around D1.  not only that, but his build (football-like, rounded movements as opposed to sharp movements, if you will) imo, is a hurdle of sorts, right out of the gate.  to be honest, Early has a little bit of that to overcome, not that i'm comparing him to Rucker.  Ryan Taylor also comes to mind a little bit.

[Garbanjo]

Yes, a few of us said from the beginning that Rucker was a mistake.  why? his film showed clearly that he was a bit clunky, that the competition and his supporting teammates masked his true future abilities in and around D1.  not only that, but his build (football-like, rounded movements as opposed to sharp movements, if you will) imo, is a hurdle of sorts, right out of the gate.  to be honest, Early has a little bit of that to overcome, not that i'm comparing him to Rucker.  Ryan Taylor also comes to mind a little bit.

Taylor and Early are “freakishly athletic” when compared to Rucker lol

I have no idea what DD saw in Rucker. I watched his highlight film and was shocked.....he was that bad.

Oh well it’s done now

Go Herd!

[HoPPy785]

Yes, a few of us said from the beginning that Rucker was a mistake.  why? his film showed clearly that he was a bit clunky, that the competition and his supporting teammates masked his true future abilities in and around D1.  not only that, but his build (football-like, rounded movements as opposed to sharp movements, if you will) imo, is a hurdle of sorts, right out of the gate.  to be honest, Early has a little bit of that to overcome, not that i'm comparing him to Rucker.  Ryan Taylor also comes to mind a little bit.

Mark me down as one of the Rucker doubters. I personally don't want to recruit any player that has zero dunks on their highlight tapes. Even a dunk in practice would suffice. I'll make an exception for a short guard, but anyone playing under the basket needs that athleticism for D1 ball.

I think some were saying he was possibly DD best recruit to date when we got him... Head scratcher for sure.

[MicDrass1]

Holden shot his worst from the FT line against us than ever.  Showed the Herd love.  But he shoots normal he goes for 20 points. Also had 8-9 boards.  Holden would make us a much better team.  Much better. We would be solid everywhere on the floor without much drop off between 1s and 2s.  If he were here and we reached the Big dance it would have been our best threat team in it.  We could match up athletically, hustle, heart and size with about any opponent.

[MicDrass1]

Mark me down as one of the Rucker doubters. I personally don't want to recruit any player that has zero dunks on their highlight tapes. Even a dunk in practice would suffice. I'll make an exception for a short guard, but anyone playing under the basket needs that athleticism for D1 ball.

I think some were saying he was possibly DD best recruit to date when we got him... Head scratcher for sure.

If 6.1 and can’t dunk play D3

[allgood]

im just curious but does anybody know who received the scholarship that would've gone to Holden

[Herdmeister]

im just curious but does anybody know who received the scholarship that would've gone to Holden

Goran

[yogiherd]

Goran

That's what the team needed was  a big man. With George, Cam-Harris, 6-7 Marko already committed and etc. in the 6-6 to 6-7 range getting another a big man was the choice. When the scholly is there the player should commit and not wait on bigger offers. Waiting can back fire when someone else being recruited at same position pulls the trigger. If it's your dream offer why wait to see what pans out?

[coalherd]

That's what the team needed was  a big man. With George, Cam-Harris, 6-7 Marko already committed and etc. in the 6-6 to 6-7 range getting another a big man was the choice. When the scholly is there the player should commit and not wait on bigger offers. Waiting can back fire when someone else being recruited at same position pulls the trigger. If it's your dream offer why wait to see what pans out?

Except that right now Holden is playing at a level that Marko hadn't shown any inkling of being able to attain!  Holden was the leading scorer and led Wright State's rout of Bowling Green at BG.

[herdorbust]

I actually think Goran was the right move. Once Jannson, Beyers and George move on imo we need another bigger player. You will have OAK and Bennett but you never know about Bennett with weight and injury issues. OAK and Goran gives you something to build around along with Taylor and Early at Guard. Bigger players to man the middle are much harder to find and we have OAK and Goran for a few years now.

[allgood]

Except that right now Holden is playing at a level that Marko hadn't shown any inkling of being able to attain!  Holden was the leading scorer and led Wright State's rout of Bowling Green at BG.

im just curious as to where you think Holden would fit in on this roster. do you think hes a starter and if so, for who.  im going to assume he wouldnt be happy coming off of the bench. IMO Goran was the right choice as well with the amount of wings we already have.

[MicDrass1]

Holden is 6.6 and athletic.  Rebounds well.  Projecting lineups and stick arounds 3 years down the road ..... good luck.  This team with Holden ..... defensive potential would be unbelievable.  Maybe he still comes. 

West
Kinsey
Taylor
Holden
Obinna
George
Williams
Early
Beyers

Good luck against this team.

[MUonium]

can't say recruiting always work out best for the Herd or for prospects, whether or not they have a connection to MU, but good luck to Slay.  you get most right, but you lose some too.

i read the recent article in the HD on Noah Rittinger and he's another good example how nothing and nobody's future can be neatly placed into 'boxes'.

with improved depth and the spacing out of classes (red shirting, etc); i wouldn't go so far to say that recruiting pressure is off on Herd coaches, but the program might be in the best position they've ever been in to somewhat lessen the pressure.  it's going to be fun seeing who joins next.

[Herdmeister]

can't say recruiting always work out best for the Herd or for prospects, whether or not they have a connection to MU, but good luck to Slay.  you get most right, but you lose some too.

i read the recent article in the HD on Noah Rittinger and he's another good example how nothing and nobody's future can be neatly placed into 'boxes'.

with improved depth and the spacing out of classes (red shirting, etc); i wouldn't go so far to say that recruiting pressure is off on Herd coaches, but the program might be in the best position they've ever been in to somewhat lessen the pressure.  it's going to be fun seeing who joins next.

Although the NCAA has allowed to increase scholarships next year since allowing everyone an extra year of eligibility,  our administration has chosen not to allow our basketball program to do it. If all 4 seniors choose to return we will have no scholarships to offer in April. We weren't allowed to sign any in the November signing period.