Topic: Who do you all want to replace Doc?

[MUsince96]

^^ THIS.

When do we hear something. Hopefully Dec. 26th.

The new guy will need to get in here and start preparing for the spring. But if we get past a certain date I assume Doc is staying. I just don't know that date.

[MicDrass1]

No to Bill Legg again.  New new new new.

[vanhorn78]

What are your thoughts about Price as a head coach?

I think he’d be a heck of a HC... however, IMO, I don’t think that would be something he’d really want for real. If he was up for it and it was genuinely something he wanted to take on, then he’d run a tight ship and their mentality would change (for the better) over night. But like I said, Cramsey would need to go and I’m not sure that happens under Price. Idk how Price would see that whole situation. Like I said, there’s also a couple others that need to be fired along with Cramsey, regardless of the head coach situation. Responsibility for everything falls on Doc because he’s the head guy and at the end of the day, it all goes back to the head coach. But if you’re looking for actual fault and “culpability” for the Rice and UAB loss, you can start and stop with Cramsey. That first quarter in the conf. championship was some of the worst play-calling I’ve seen period, let alone at Marshall the last decade.

[MicDrass1]

I think he’d be a heck of a HC... however, IMO, I don’t think that would be something he’d really want for real. If he was up for it and it was genuinely something he wanted to take on, then he’d run a tight ship and their mentality would change (for the better) over night. But like I said, Cramsey would need to go and I’m not sure that happens under Price. Idk how Price would see that whole situation. Like I said, there’s also a couple others that need to be fired along with Cramsey, regardless of the head coach situation. Responsibility for everything falls on Doc because he’s the head guy and at the end of the day, it all goes back to the head coach. But if you’re looking for actual fault and “culpability” for the Rice and UAB loss, you can start and stop with Cramsey. That first quarter in the conf. championship was some of the worst play-calling I’ve seen period, let alone at Marshall the last decade.

Holliday had to know at least the first series of plays that would be called.  After the first series a coach could see right away if it feels right.  At least on tv a coach could.  The HC only should get to pick (2) at most OCs for a fluttering offense.  After that it's the HC.  Holliday has picked (2), Legg and Cramsey.  Both have stunk it up.  It's the HC, has to be or is someone else picking Herd coaches over Holliday.

[vanhorn78]

Good input 78. What are your thoughts about the big fight or blow up after the MT game. Something has happened to this team. The look and vibe did a 180 from the MT to the Rice games. Care to share your thoughts? Thanks

The only details I’ve heard are from this forum the past couple of weeks, so I honestly don’t know much about it, or IMO, enough about it to dissect the situation. If I knew more about it, I would say something more. I can only speak to what I see/what I’ve seen and what I genuinely know about.

[GreenDaddy]

The only details I’ve heard are from this forum the past couple of weeks, so I honestly don’t know much about it, or IMO, enough about it to dissect the situation. If I knew more about it, I would say something more. I can only speak to what I see/what I’ve seen and what I genuinely know about.

What’s your thoughts on a Gerad Parker hire? I only ask because if Doc is gone then one would figure Parker will be on the short list considering his resume and is from the Huntington area.

[vanhorn78]

Holliday had to know at least the first series of plays that would be called.  After the first series a coach could see right away if it feels right.  At least on tv a coach could.  The HC only should get to pick (2) at most OCs for a fluttering offense.  After that it's the HC.  Holliday has picked (2), Legg and Cramsey.  Both have stunk it up.  It's the HC, has to be or is someone else picking Herd coaches over Holliday.

I thought Legg did great, but when he did bad, he did really bad. It’s either doubting his players’ capabilities in adverse situations, or in the WKU game in 2015, and the 2016 season, it was listening too much to Mirabal’s ideas to “improve” the offense. Their egos got in the way, but I’ve beat that dead horse enough. I’m just saying, for context. And like I’ve said on this forum before, Doc isn’t as involved with the offense as many of you would like to believe. In fact, he’s not really involved at all. I can’t stress that enough. I know Legg had Cato, but check out 12, 13, 14, 15. He had some hiccups, but I thought, overall, he did a good job in those years. 17, he did the best with what he was working with, and with a team that wasn’t bought in. It was just time for a few of them to go in 2017. But only a few left and Doc stayed, and “got it going” again, however, Cramsey and a couple other pieces on the staff ain’t it. If Billy Legg was your OC in that UAB title game, they would’ve ran the ball almost every first down in the first half and had at least 150-170 rush yards in the first half, and he would’ve ate them up with play action to Gaines or Willie. Then, he would’ve finished them off with the run and the occasional downfield pass to Keaton and Gammage. And Rice wouldn’t have happened. They wasted a year with the best O line Marshall has had since 2014. Studs everywhere. And Knox? Sheeeez. Gaines at TE? Smh. Much improved WR from last year, and Grant struggled down the stretch, but he’s a great QB and a HUGE contribution to his struggles are attributed to Clueless Cramsey. More than I have the time to explain. Lol The defense, phenomenal... across the board. And my only concern before the season was if the D line could have guys step up/developed. Well, Price is the man, so of course he and his kids came through. The OC had a layup. They didn’t want to use “the glass” (the OL), and it rimmed out. I’m not saying we need to hire Legg, I’m just dropping my 2 cents as usual. I don’t blame you for not wanting him back, but we’re in worse shape with Cramsey. It’s not close. I guess that’s my main point. Doc, well... I can’t defend him, but I will say his involvement with the offense begins and ends with hiring OCs. He might make the call to go for it or ride the O line once every blue moon, but that’s about as much say as he has and cares to have. He’ll get in his OC’s behind if it’s clear they’re “dropping the ball,” but nothing as significant as many of you think. It’s his fault because he’s the head guy, but not necessarily because the offense was doing what Doc wanted them to do. That’s not the way it works with his teams. That’s enough to warrant being replaced and I can’t tell you that you’re wrong for that. So this isn’t me telling you you’re wrong. Lol

[vanhorn78]

What’s your thoughts on a Gerad Parker hire? I only ask because if Doc is gone then one would figure Parker will be on the short list considering his resume and is from the Huntington area.

Not sure if you saw my post on page 4 of this thread, but I spoke a little bit about what to possibly expect if Parker were to be hired. If you read it and you have further questions about particulars, then I would answer them the best I could, and if I’m at liberty to say certain things. Generally, I don’t think he’d be a terrible hire, and I’m not the AD (and blah blah blah), but that’s a NO! for me. I think he’s too plastic as a person/with his presentation of self and not polished enough as an OC. And y’all do know he’s basically Legg’s understudy, right? WVU’s offense is “Parker with a little more than a hint of Legg.”

[Rockin Herd Fan]

I wonder with the state of the budget following a year of lost revenue because of Covid and if MU doesn't renew Doc's contract, then we might have no choice but to pluck a head coach from a lower level because it might be all we can afford. 

[MicDrass1]

I thought Legg did great, but when he did bad, he did really bad. It’s either doubting his players’ capabilities in adverse situations, or in the WKU game in 2015, and the 2016 season, it was listening too much to Mirabal’s ideas to “improve” the offense. Their egos got in the way, but I’ve beat that dead horse enough. I’m just saying, for context. And like I’ve said on this forum before, Doc isn’t as involved with the offense as many of you would like to believe. In fact, he’s not really involved at all. I can’t stress that enough. I know Legg had Cato, but check out 12, 13, 14, 15. He had some hiccups, but I thought, overall, he did a good job in those years. 17, he did the best with what he was working with, and with a team that wasn’t bought in. It was just time for a few of them to go in 2017. But only a few left and Doc stayed, and “got it going” again, however, Cramsey and a couple other pieces on the staff ain’t it. If Billy Legg was your OC in that UAB title game, they would’ve ran the ball almost every first down in the first half and had at least 150-170 rush yards in the first half, and he would’ve ate them up with play action to Gaines or Willie. Then, he would’ve finished them off with the run and the occasional downfield pass to Keaton and Gammage. And Rice wouldn’t have happened. They wasted a year with the best O line Marshall has had since 2014. Studs everywhere. And Knox? Sheeeez. Gaines at TE? Smh. Much improved WR from last year, and Grant struggled down the stretch, but he’s a great QB and a HUGE contribution to his struggles are attributed to Clueless Cramsey. More than I have the time to explain. Lol The defense, phenomenal... across the board. And my only concern before the season was if the D line could have guys step up/developed. Well, Price is the man, so of course he and his kids came through. The OC had a layup. They didn’t want to use “the glass” (the OL), and it rimmed out. I’m not saying we need to hire Legg, I’m just dropping my 2 cents as usual. I don’t blame you for not wanting him back, but we’re in worse shape with Cramsey. It’s not close. I guess that’s my main point. Doc, well... I can’t defend him, but I will say his involvement with the offense begins and ends with hiring OCs. He might make the call to go for it or ride the O line once every blue moon, but that’s about as much say as he has and cares to have. He’ll get in his OC’s behind if it’s clear they’re “dropping the ball,” but nothing as significant as many of you think. It’s his fault because he’s the head guy, but not necessarily because the offense was doing what Doc wanted them to do. That’s not the way it works with his teams. That’s enough to warrant being replaced and I can’t tell you that you’re wrong for that. So this isn’t me telling you you’re wrong. Lol

Then it's Holliday's fault for not knowing what the hell is going on with his offense and having his own intuition on how a championship game is won.  You know why bc he doesn't know crap about offense.  Legg can beat crappy teams we know that.

[herdfan129]

Then it's Holliday's fault for not knowing what the hell is going on with his offense and having his own intuition on how a championship game is won.  You know why bc he doesn't know crap about offense.  Legg can beat crappy teams we know that.

Exactly why he was a terrible hire. He is not capable of stepping in to take over when/if necessary.

[HoPPy785]

I wonder with the state of the budget following a year of lost revenue because of Covid and if MU doesn't renew Doc's contract, then we might have no choice but to pluck a head coach from a lower level because it might be all we can afford.

I personally think we pay too much anyways. We will never ever pay a coach enough to keep them from a P5 school and probably can't keep them from some G5 jobs, so what exactly is the point of paying the coach a million vs say 600k? Paying more is by no means a guarantee of better coaching. Guys making multi millions get fired every year for failure in college athletics. Pay just enough to entice a high level young up and comer. Watch them leave for that P5 job after we succeed and do it again. There's just not enough dollars in the Marshall world that keeps a coach here long term, that's actually worth keeping.

[vanhorn78]

Then it's Holliday's fault for not knowing what the hell is going on with his offense and having his own intuition on how a championship game is won.  You know why bc he doesn't know crap about offense.  Legg can beat crappy teams we know that.

Like I said, my point wasn’t that we should hire Legg. My point is that he’d call Cramsey under the table, and he made enough calls to win a conf. title—down our best guard and Rock barely touching the ball, because of injury. Cramsey didn’t and had a layup.

[D1]

We need a coach with Marshall ties, who is not interested in using our program as a stepping stone, i.e. Donnan, Chaump & Parrish. I loved each, played for two of them, but they each took the Marshall job looking for the next bigger and better job.
The coaches with deep ties who would love the program as much as most of us; Brad Lambert, Tim Billings, George Barlow, Mickey Matthews,  Mike Bartrum, Greg Adkins, Shannon Morrison, Tony Peterson and Don Mahoney. Three of these gentlemen have head coaching experience, Mahoney, Adkins and Barlow each have a lot of Group of 5 coaching experience,  Bartrum has two super bowl rings, high school coaching experience and currently coaching in the NFL, Morrison and Peterson have been a longtime Coordinators.  What each have is experience winning at Marshall and a deep love for the program.
If Doc is out, I hope the new guy has deep ties and a passion for our program.

[marshall fanatic]

Mike Bartrum is an interesting name to throw out there. He could get some talented people to come coach with him.

[carolinaherdfan]

I’d love us to have Nick Saban; a West Virginian coming home to semi-retire!🎅🏼
(sp)🎄

[vanhorn78]

We need a coach with Marshall ties, who is not interested in using our program as a stepping stone, i.e. Donnan, Chaump & Parrish. I loved each, played for two of them, but they each took the Marshall job looking for the next bigger and better job.
The coaches with deep ties who would love the program as much as most of us; Brad Lambert, Tim Billings, George Barlow, Mickey Matthews,  Mike Bartrum, Greg Adkins, Shannon Morrison, Tony Peterson and Don Mahoney. Three of these gentlemen have head coaching experience, Mahoney, Adkins and Barlow each have a lot of Group of 5 coaching experience,  Bartrum has two super bowl rings, high school coaching experience and currently coaching in the NFL, Morrison and Peterson have been a longtime Coordinators.  What each have is experience winning at Marshall and a deep love for the program.
If Doc is out, I hope the new guy has deep ties and a passion for our program.

I agree with everything you said, except for Adkins. I could be wrong, but he’s not the guy. I like where you’re coming from, though. It should be a guy that wants to build Marshall football for the sake of Marshall football. Not for himself, so he can look good when he’s trying to market himself to the next job. Totally agree.

[herdfan129]

I agree with everything you said, except for Adkins. I could be wrong, but he’s not the guy. I like where you’re coming from, though. It should be a guy that wants to build Marshall football for the sake of Marshall football. Not for himself, so he can look good when he’s trying to market himself to the next job. Totally agree.

I vote for whoever is willing to bring Vanhorn back as OL coach with contingencies that he still has to post on herd fans  ;D

[herdorbust]

If Hamrick brings Doc back again next year after the 2016 collapse and then this meltdown with fights, players opting out left and right, then we know Doc can punch his ticket any time he wants. It doesn’t matter how much they are friends, if Hamrick can’t see that this program has become stale and boring and needing a huge dose of hope and excitement, then Gilbert needs to part with both.

[vanhorn78]

I vote for whoever is willing to bring Vanhorn back as OL coach with contingencies that he still has to post on herd fans  ;D

Hahaha I would probably still touch base with y’all regardless. No bull. I know I argue with some of y’all on here, but I love how passionate y’all are, and I know it comes from the same frustration we all feel. It sure would beat the heck out of being in school to be a lawyer.  ;D Law School sucks. I’ll have to see how practicing law goes before I speak on whether I like it, or not. Whoever coaches what, I just want the kids to have everything they can get out of their experience. I’ve seen and experienced both sides of that coin. When I talk about the stuff on here, I’m not trying to come after coaches... it’s based on my affinity for the program and the kids. Coaches and people in the program can take it personal, but they have to look in a mirror and be real with themselves about the situation at the end of the day. I’ll take the shade thrown or their disapproval, but I’m going to be as real as possible about every situation I talk about.

[SuperAnjario]

I thought Legg did great, but when he did bad, he did really bad. It’s either doubting his players’ capabilities in adverse situations, or in the WKU game in 2015, and the 2016 season, it was listening too much to Mirabal’s ideas to “improve” the offense. Their egos got in the way, but I’ve beat that dead horse enough. I’m just saying, for context. And like I’ve said on this forum before, Doc isn’t as involved with the offense as many of you would like to believe. In fact, he’s not really involved at all. I can’t stress that enough. I know Legg had Cato, but check out 12, 13, 14, 15. He had some hiccups, but I thought, overall, he did a good job in those years. 17, he did the best with what he was working with, and with a team that wasn’t bought in. It was just time for a few of them to go in 2017. But only a few left and Doc stayed, and “got it going” again, however, Cramsey and a couple other pieces on the staff ain’t it. If Billy Legg was your OC in that UAB title game, they would’ve ran the ball almost every first down in the first half and had at least 150-170 rush yards in the first half, and he would’ve ate them up with play action to Gaines or Willie. Then, he would’ve finished them off with the run and the occasional downfield pass to Keaton and Gammage. And Rice wouldn’t have happened. They wasted a year with the best O line Marshall has had since 2014. Studs everywhere. And Knox? Sheeeez. Gaines at TE? Smh. Much improved WR from last year, and Grant struggled down the stretch, but he’s a great QB and a HUGE contribution to his struggles are attributed to Clueless Cramsey. More than I have the time to explain. Lol The defense, phenomenal... across the board. And my only concern before the season was if the D line could have guys step up/developed. Well, Price is the man, so of course he and his kids came through. The OC had a layup. They didn’t want to use “the glass” (the OL), and it rimmed out. I’m not saying we need to hire Legg, I’m just dropping my 2 cents as usual. I don’t blame you for not wanting him back, but we’re in worse shape with Cramsey. It’s not close. I guess that’s my main point. Doc, well... I can’t defend him, but I will say his involvement with the offense begins and ends with hiring OCs. He might make the call to go for it or ride the O line once every blue moon, but that’s about as much say as he has and cares to have. He’ll get in his OC’s behind if it’s clear they’re “dropping the ball,” but nothing as significant as many of you think. It’s his fault because he’s the head guy, but not necessarily because the offense was doing what Doc wanted them to do. That’s not the way it works with his teams. That’s enough to warrant being replaced and I can’t tell you that you’re wrong for that. So this isn’t me telling you you’re wrong. Lol

Preach about Cramsey.  Worst I’ve ever seen.