Topic: Beyers

[scope58]

Is that 6 turnovers off Beyers in the first half.Everytime he puts the ball on the floor it’s like a scary movie.Then bad D comes to mind.

[Buffalo Bop]

Beyers is good when he’s not a turnover machine. But he can score when he’s on.

[herdorbust]

Is that 6 turnovers off Beyers in the first half.Everytime he puts the ball on the floor it’s like a scary movie.Then bad D comes to mind.

You must be watching the same game as me. And he just keeps playing.

[stratton22]

He has to have a touch to turnover ratio of 2-1

[scope58]

Jannson , find your man on the other end of the floor.

[scope58]

Beyers is good when he’s not a turnover machine. But he can score when he’s on.

I agree with you but you have to play both ends of the court. And if he’s not on, his turnovers and bad D can kill the team.

[sardistim]

This is just how it's going to be for this team this year. 

We have 2 guys we can count on every game and can only survive one of them having a bad game -- Kinsey & West.

We have a 3rd guy who can give us consistent play and do a lot of things that matter: rebounds, assists, good D, and some scoring -- Taylor.

Everyone else is a game by game basis.  Sometimes Beyers gives us double figure points and great 3 pt shooting; other games he's just a turnover waiting to happen.  Sometimes Killen looks like a future star in the making; other games he looks like a freshman.  Sometimes Williams shoots and plays outstanding; other games he can't buy a basket and gets beat on defense and the boards.  Sometimes George is a spark off the bench that turns the game around; other games he's invisible.

That's just the way it is and probably is going to be.  I'm not going to expect any of these players to be what they are not, and to celebrate the good days.  I'm going to expect DD to figure out early which game it is for each player and to manage the minutes in ways the bring wins--after all that's why he gets paid :)  The great thing is that we have enough depth and enough players that I think we can win a lot.

[Thundering In MD]

He is like Jannsen’s shooting, when he’s on he’s on.  Mikel is one of the players who I root for the most.

[2xBison]

He is like Jannsen’s shooting, when he’s on he’s on.  Mikel is one of the players who I root for the most.

I like him too, he has just got to take care of the ball better.

[allgood]

mike has such a high ceiling and potentially can make a lot of money playing basketball. Very good shot, athletic, solid IQ, he just tries to do too much EXTRA. if he keeps it simple he could really be a force

[MicDrass1]

He seems to panic with pressure

[herdorbust]

mike has such a high ceiling and potentially can make a lot of money playing basketball. Very good shot, athletic, solid IQ, he just tries to do too much EXTRA. if he keeps it simple he could really be a force

IF is the key word. He is a senior, so how many times does he have to be told?

[allgood]

IF is the key word. He is a senior, so how many times does he have to be told?

i totally agree n for some reason he has a LONG LEASH from coach D.  hard to trust in big games

[MUonium]

the bottom line is that all the upper classmen or anybody with a lot of playing time/experience shouldn't be making more than a few unforced errors.  they should know the 'margins of error' in any aspect (like passing) by now.  individual matchups, strength and weaknesses of opponents, styles, will always cause fluctuation, but if you aren't consistent on fundamentals of whichever ideology/s are being coached then it will show in individual and team results.

i don't have the answers, but i can only suggest the staff needs to continually simplify the game/central roles for certain players, maybe limited to just a one or two things in each phase (halfcourt O, halfcourt D and transition).

i'm naive about how practices are conducted so this may be bunk:  for example, do we sometimes play 5 on offense and say, 6 or 7 on defense and concentrate on the fundamentals such as passing, timed transition, over and over without even shooting the ball?  just a thought.

[MidlandKnight]

This is just how it's going to be for this team this year. 

We have 2 guys we can count on every game and can only survive one of them having a bad game -- Kinsey & West.

We have a 3rd guy who can give us consistent play and do a lot of things that matter: rebounds, assists, good D, and some scoring -- Taylor.

Everyone else is a game by game basis.  Sometimes Beyers gives us double figure points and great 3 pt shooting; other games he's just a turnover waiting to happen.  Sometimes Killen looks like a future star in the making; other games he looks like a freshman.  Sometimes Williams shoots and plays outstanding; other games he can't buy a basket and gets beat on defense and the boards.  Sometimes George is a spark off the bench that turns the game around; other games he's invisible.

That's just the way it is and probably is going to be.  I'm not going to expect any of these players to be what they are not, and to celebrate the good days.  I'm going to expect DD to figure out early which game it is for each player and to manage the minutes in ways the bring wins--after all that's why he gets paid :)  The great thing is that we have enough depth and enough players that I think we can win a lot.

I think this is a good assessment.  I agree with, right now, we have 3  that we can rely on. "If" Williams keeps shooting/playing like he is and Killen keeps improving as much as he has, we have a solid 5. Then Danny has between DG, Beyers, Goran, and Iran (if healthy) to choose from to give quality minutes. Hopefully there will always at least 1 giving good minutes. The problem area I see is out front (Marko, Early, and Dillon). Who can give quality minutes? Early seems to be the most athletic, but still has not grasped the team ball concept yet. That is  not a dig at the kid, it just a result of him being "the man" for most of his life. "If" the stars align right it can be an exceptional year. The frustrating part is will it be enough to make the NCAA/NIT? With the team WKU has and our schedule it will tough. 

[herdorbust]

I think this is a good assessment.  I agree with, right now, we have 3  that we can rely on. "If" Williams keeps shooting/playing like he is and Killen keeps improving as much as he has, we have a solid 5. Then Danny has between DG, Beyers, Goran, and Iran (if healthy) to choose from to give quality minutes. Hopefully there will always at least 1 giving good minutes. The problem area I see is out front (Marko, Early, and Dillon). Who can give quality minutes? Early seems to be the most athletic, but still has not grasped the team ball concept yet. That is  not a dig at the kid, it just a result of him being "the man" for most of his life. "If" the stars align right it can be an exceptional year. The frustrating part is will it be enough to make the NCAA/NIT? With the team WKU has and our schedule it will tough.

I agree. WKU will be hard to handle. Can we win? Yes if we are playing really well and shooting well. But WKU would have to be the favorite without question. But I agree if Williams can just give us a consistant 12-14 a game instead of 24 and then 3. I’m really liking Killeen. He seems to keep grasping the system more every time out. He has all the tools. Really active and moves his feet. Athletic and good instincts. He will be a dandy. We need Early to catch up with the speed of the game and get comfortable. I still say we need a healthy IB to compete with bigs like Bassey. Goran has hands of stone and that and strength should have been focus number one when he arrived on campus. I see no difference in his hands and strength going up with the ball.

[parshall2marshall]

I think this is a good assessment.  I agree with, right now, we have 3  that we can rely on. "If" Williams keeps shooting/playing like he is and Killen keeps improving as much as he has, we have a solid 5. Then Danny has between DG, Beyers, Goran, and Iran (if healthy) to choose from to give quality minutes. Hopefully there will always at least 1 giving good minutes. The problem area I see is out front (Marko, Early, and Dillon). Who can give quality minutes? Early seems to be the most athletic, but still has not grasped the team ball concept yet. That is  not a dig at the kid, it just a result of him being "the man" for most of his life. "If" the stars align right it can be an exceptional year. The frustrating part is will it be enough to make the NCAA/NIT? With the team WKU has and our schedule it will tough.

Don't forget the energy Darius George has brought in most of our games so far.

Regarding the OP, I find myself tensing up every time Beyers touches the ball when an opponent is within 6 feet. And the passes he makes are incredibly bad much of the time. Seems like a great kid though, and he has made some spectacular plays and great distance treys.

[cutmeopenibleedgreen]

mike has such a high ceiling and potentially can make a lot of money playing basketball. Very good shot, athletic, solid IQ, he just tries to do too much EXTRA. if he keeps it simple he could really be a force

He’s also a class act of a kid. He’s been involved with myself and my family for the last year or so and you couldn’t ask for a better kid. Lives and breathes the game, and loves MU. With his mindset, he’ll play professionally, the tangibles are there.

[Herdalum83]

Shout out to the man tonight! Phenomenal game for him. 20 pts, 3 blocked shots, drew a few charges but most importantly only turned it over once. He deserves some credit for that performance.

[herdorbust]

Shout out to the man tonight! Phenomenal game for him. 20 pts, 3 blocked shots, drew a few charges but most importantly only turned it over once. He deserves some credit for that performance.

He can do that if he plays within the system. When he tries to do it on his own is when he has major problems. Dannys system is all about ball movement and creating spacing for open shots. If you notice every year and not just this year, when we start playing “me” ball we look horrible. When we play team ball we really look good. To bad they weren’t focused against a Toledo because we would be 7-0 right now.

[herdfan129]

He can do that if he plays within the system. When he tries to do it on his own is when he has major problems. Dannys system is all about ball movement and creating spacing for open shots. If you notice every year and not just this year, when we start playing “me” ball we look horrible. When we play team ball we really look good. To bad they weren’t focused against a Toledo because we would be 7-0 right now.

Yeah but for some reason you critique Beyers more than anyone else. When a player catches the ball and fires up a three with a hand in his face and 20 seconds left on the shot clock, guess what, that's also "me" ball. That's the same as a turnover it just doesn't go down as one.

Beyers played a great game and I would argue he's been our 3rd or 4th best and most consistent player this year.

[MicDrass1]

I’ve always liked Beyers offensive game.  Nice to see his explosion now earlier in the year.  Good sign.  He was doing this end of last year.  Good to see it earlier.  We are better this year.  Players are playing better overall. 

[herdorbust]

Yeah but for some reason you critique Beyers more than anyone else. When a player catches the ball and fires up a three with a hand in his face and 20 seconds left on the shot clock, guess what, that's also "me" ball. That's the same as a turnover it just doesn't go down as one.

Beyers played a great game and I would argue he's been our 3rd or 4th best and most consistent player this year.

Maybe it’s because I can see how good he can be. I was there the day he came in and played for the staff trying to make the team. I loved his game. But he tries to do to much and kills the team sometimes. When he plays within the system  he is a huge plus for this team and a difference maker. But if you are ok with a turnover a minute good for you. If he plays within himself then I love his game.

[Herdalum83]

Maybe it’s because I can see how good he can be. I was there the day he came in and played for the staff trying to make the team. I loved his game. But he tries to do to much and kills the team sometimes. When he plays within the system  he is a huge plus for this team and a difference maker. But if you are ok with a turnover a minute good for you. If he plays within himself then I love his game.

He played great last night.

We all know at times he's struggled with turnovers. He's had 16 so far this year, but 12 of them came in our previous 3 games before last night, which is a really rough stretch for a guy playing 15 minutes a game or so. 

But, he is shooting 40% from 3 which is behind only Kinsey. We need Beyers.

[herdorbust]

He played great last night.

We all know at times he's struggled with turnovers. He's had 16 so far this year, but 12 of them came in our previous 3 games before last night, which is a really rough stretch for a guy playing 15 minutes a game or so. 

But, he is shooting 40% from 3 which is behind only Kinsey. We need Beyers.

You bet we need him. But we need the guy that plays under control. Hopefully he understands that now. I love talking potential as freshman but not seniors. Seniors need to get it done.