Topic: Bassey and Anderson

[goherd24]

Probably going to be suspended, maybe for a while. Came off the bench and got into a scuffle at end of game. Hoping they are not available for UNT trip, probably hand them 2 losses. One more slip up and it's ours for the taking.

[coalherd]

Probably going to be suspended, maybe for a while. Came off the bench and got into a scuffle at end of game. Hoping they are not available for UNT trip, probably hand them 2 losses. One more slip up and it's ours for the taking.

Any punches thrown?  Any significant "injuries" inflicted, say, to one or two of Rice's better players?  Not serious "harm", mind you, but just enough damage to cast doubt on those Owls being available, or at least well under full strength, for our games in Houston on Fri.-Sat.?   ;D

[DC01HERD]

Anderson left the bench to engage the opponent. He should be definitely be suspended. You can make a case for Bassey being as well.

[Herdalum83]

Anderson left the bench to engage the opponent. He should be definitely be suspended. You can make a case for Bassey being as well.

I also saw a WKU fan on the CUSA message board say Anderson made contact with an official in the process. If that's the case he will for sure be suspended

[Herdman70]

Any punches thrown?  Any significant "injuries" inflicted, say, to one or two of Rice's better players?  Not serious "harm", mind you, but just enough damage to cast doubt on those Owls being available, or at least well under full strength, for our games in Houston on Fri.-Sat.?   ;D

It shouldn't matter if Rice is at full strength or not. At 12-10/6-8, if we play our game we should be ok. But then, it's  a long trip to Texas and you never know what might happen on the road

[herdorbust]

It shouldn't matter if Rice is at full strength or not. At 12-10/6-8, if we play our game we should be ok. But then, it's  a long trip to Texas and you never know what might happen on the road

We also should have not lost to LT. We only lost by seven and played awful the whole game. Also blew a 21 point lead at ODU. Rice can beat us any given day. They aren?t to be taken lightly. They can shoot the 3.

[coalherd]

We also should have not lost to LT. We only lost by seven and played awful the whole game. Also blew a 21 point lead at ODU. Rice can beat us any given day. They aren?t to be taken lightly. They can shoot the 3.

Agree. they are perimeter, 3 pt. shot oriented, on offense, IIRD.  Hopefully, we can exploit them inside with the pick and roll, and with passes inside to OAK, Goran and our new found "dunk machine" Byers!  Got to beat them on the boards, especially on the defensive end, so they don't get second shots, like easy pass outs for wide open treys!!

[Luke80]

Rice has taken almost 200 more 3 point attempts than we have this year.  Let that sink in.

[Herdman70]

We also should have not lost to LT. We only lost by seven and played awful the whole game. Also blew a 21 point lead at ODU. Rice can beat us any given day. They aren?t to be taken lightly. They can shoot the 3.

As I  said, you never know what you're  going to run into on the road

[Thundering In MD]

I couldn't find any articles on this, so I guess all is well in Bowling Green???

[goherd24]

I couldn't find any articles on this, so I guess all is well in Bowling Green???

Same here, good ole cusa, gonna sweep it under the rug apparently.

[coalherd]

Same here, good ole cusa, gonna sweep it under the rug apparently.

Apparently, lot of "questionable" things going on in CUSA, 24.  If folks can find it, check out a recent article by the Washington Post's Kent Babb which was a full page reprint in the January 31, 2021, edition of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

It concerns the circumstances leading to the resignation of Middle Tennessee's football offensive coordinator, long time veteran coach, Tony Franklin.  The gist is that Franklin's resignation resulted from his claim that the program there under veteran head man, Rick Stockstill, was ignoring, short changing any COVID-19 Guidelines and Protocols that had been set out.  MTSU, which lost to MU on 11/14, ended the season 3-6, after their final game was cancelled, mainly because the team was beset with the virus and injuries.

Franklin was an advocate/formulator 2 decades earlier of the Air Raid Offense championed by UK head football coach Hal Mumme and he served as Mumme's OC for 4 seasons before being fired by the Wildcats.  Franklin did a tell all book about the UK program which ultimately resulted in the Wildcats being found guilty of numerous violations and in Mumme's dismissal.  Franklin was essentially "blackballed" in the Coaching fraternity, eventually returning as a coach at Troy State.  Later went briefly to Auburn, under Tommy Tuberville, where the two soon clashed and Franklin was dismissed, but with a 2 year buyout.  He then went to Cal where in 3 years he helped Jared Goff set 26 passing records and become a first round NFL draft choice in 2016.  Then he landed at MTSU, where he coached through this past season.

The article's author noted that Franklin presented numerous documents, e-mails, text messages, of expressions of his concerns and meetings he had with Stockstill and AD Chris Massaro about the COVID issues.  Franklin also sent letter in July 2020 to school President Sidney McPhee "outlining his belief Stockstill and others were ignoring the school's coronavirus policies."  After the school found out about this article being in the works, they released a statement basically exonerating Stockstill.  Interestingly, the article noted as the season progressed up to 40 MTSU players tested positive for the virus, as did 3 coaches and 5 members of the strength and conditioning staff.  In October, Franklin told Stockstill that he would no longer attend in-person meetings and when the team made the 6 hour bus trip to play at Marshall Franklin made the trip in his own truck!!

Just wonder if MU ended up with any significant COVID problems, or had a spike in same, AFTER we played MTSU on Nov. 14th?  Could have been a factor of some significance in our putrid performances in the last 3 games, ALL LOSSES!

[Big City]

Marshall football battled covid challenges all season long. I also know the month of November had its particular challenges especially mid month.

[herd2win]

Seems like Franklin has a difficult time getting along with people and looks to tattletail if he doesn?t get his way...what is the story why he is not at Cal if he did so much for Goff...

[coalherd]

Article found on page C9 of the Sunday Atlanta Journal-Constitution dated Jan. 31, 2020.  It is  entitled "Decision of conscience- - Middle Tennessee offensive Coordinator Tony Franklin resigns after trying to get program, school to follow COVID-19 protocols."

Locals refer to the Atlanta paper as the "AJC".  Web site may be "AJC.com" for those who may be interested in reading the whole article.  It does somewhat reflect the more seamy side of FBS football.

[coalherd]

Seems like Franklin has a difficult time getting along with people and looks to tattletail if he doesn?t get his way...what is the story why he is not at Cal if he did so much for Goff...

Herd2win, article did say something about Franklin, who is 63 and a Kentucky native, moved back to be nearer to his (elderly) mother.  I'm sure he is no angel and certainly not squeaky clean, especially having coached with Hal Mumme at UK.  And we all know what a highly ethical and "law abiding" athletic program they have operated down in Lexington for nearly a century.  More then well above knee deep in horse manure from all those race horse stables and farms down in bluegrass country, I'd feel safe to say!!

[JReese]

Article found on page C9 of the Sunday Atlanta Journal-Constitution dated Jan. 31, 2020.  It is  entitled "Decision of conscience- - Middle Tennessee offensive Coordinator Tony Franklin resigns after trying to get program, school to follow COVID-19 protocols."

Locals refer to the Atlanta paper as the "AJC".  Web site may be "AJC.com" for those who may be interested in reading the whole article.  It does somewhat reflect the more seamy side of FBS football.

this local to that paper calls it "Fish-wrap". their paper is horrible !!!

[lexkyherdfan]

Herd2win, article did say something about Franklin, who is 63 and a Kentucky native, moved back to be nearer to his (elderly) mother.  I'm sure he is no angel and certainly not squeaky clean, especially having coached with Hal Mumme at UK.  And we all know what a highly ethical and "law abiding" athletic program they have operated down in Lexington for nearly a century.  More then well above knee deep in horse manure from all those race horse stables and farms down in bluegrass country, I'd feel safe to say!!

He was a scapegoat at UK for all of Mumme?s problems. I was here during that time and it was all widely known.  He got canned and wrote the book. The book was very interesting. I heard him speak and it was interesting.  The program got in a lot of trouble during the Mumme time.  The recruiting coordinator was caught bribing with cash. The Recruiting coordinator was tight with Mumme at the time. If I recall correctly Mumme was fired within 6 months of him letting Franklin go. Things were toxic with the UK program then all led by their HC.

On a side note Neal Brown got a lot of knowledge about his offense from Tony Franklin when he was at Troy.

[Thundering In MD]

Just as a reminder to the casual non-hijacking reader: this is (or was) a thread about WKU basketball.   :D

[coalherd]

Just as a reminder to the casual non-hijacking reader: this is (or was) a thread about WKU basketball.   :D

Or maybe just a reminder that Western KY is not alone in some of the questionable/sleazy practices, activities, happenings, etc., in CUSA in regards to what is going on within its athletics programs!!

[MUther]

There are threads a mile long about both of these topics a mile long on the CUSA board, if you want info from the fans of those teams.  The stuff on Bassey wasn't a big deal at all in the video and by witness accounts and Franklin's article appeared to be mostly sour grapes.  He also mentioned concussions and everything else wrong with football where he made his living for several decades.  I guess it was all ok while he was being paid.

[coalherd]

There are threads a mile long about both of these topics a mile long on the CUSA board, if you want info from the fans of those teams.  The stuff on Bassey wasn't a big deal at all in the video and by witness accounts and Franklin's article appeared to be mostly sour grapes.  He also mentioned concussions and everything else wrong with football where he made his living for several decades.  I guess it was all ok while he was being paid.

Well, Franklin may soon not be alone in the College Football Coaches' fraternity.  The October 2020 edition of Sports Illustrated has 2 interesting articles dealing more or less about the CTE issue (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy) issue that has swirled around the NFL for a few years.  Now, it appears, the lawyers have the NCAA in their sights/crosshairs concerning that issue in the college sport!!  The concussion/head injuries from repeated blows to the head area have apparently been around College Football since at least the time when Teddy Roosevelt was President.  Back then, a player who got his "bell rung" playing the sports was often noted to be "Punch Drunk".  Same magazine contains a related article which notes that Southern Cal 's football team in 1989 showed a dozen linebackers on its depth chart. Today 5 of the 12 are dead before age 50 and brain related issues, physical and mental, are the prime suspect.  One of the 5 is former NFL star linebacker Junior Seau!

Just another adverse and potentially negative and costly, $$$$$$, problem on the horizon for the beleagured NCAA and its member schools!!

[MUther]

Well, Franklin may soon not be alone in the College Football Coaches' fraternity.  The October 2020 edition of Sports Illustrated has 2 interesting articles dealing more or less about the CTE issue (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy) issue that has swirled around the NFL for a few years.  Now, it appears, the lawyers have the NCAA in their sights/crosshairs concerning that issue in the college sport!!  The concussion/head injuries from repeated blows to the head area have apparently been around College Football since at least the time when Teddy Roosevelt was President.  Back then, a player who got his "bell rung" playing the sports was often noted to be "Punch Drunk".  Same magazine contains a related article which notes that Southern Cal 's football team in 1989 showed a dozen linebackers on its depth chart. Today 5 of the 12 are dead before age 50 and brain related issues, physical and mental, are the prime suspect.  One of the 5 is former NFL star linebacker Junior Seau!

Just another adverse and potentially negative and costly, $$$$$$, problem on the horizon for the beleagured NCAA and its member schools!!

Little late for the lawyers.  Everyone is aware of the risk and the effects at this point and no one has a gun to their head to make them play football.  Would be like suing tobacco companies in this day and age.  You smoke nowadays you can't claim not to know the consequences or the addictive nature of tobacco.  Seems like a waiver stating football is dangerous to my noodle and I'm playing of my own free will ought to cover anything stemming from that. 

We might end up with robots playing the game eventually but it's not going away.  They've taken a lot out of the game to make it more safe and targeting is the most dreaded penalty in the game.  It's not like it's just negligence by colleges causing this.  I think they've done what they can with rules and equipment and it's really in the player's court as to whether they want to take the risk.