Topic: Big Weekend Planned by MTSU

[herdfan129]

LOL, Any coach that's hired in football normally gets anywhere from 3-5 years as a coach to win, unless you're Doc Holliday, lol. Coach Huff has Docs players and will get time to build his own program. Even the greatest college football coach of all time Nick Saban had a losing season his first year at Alabama, even losing to Louisiana-Monroe. I'm not saying coach Huff is Saban, but he deserves a chance of getting his players here.. So, Yeah, IT'S UN-FREAKING REAL! for you to call for a coaching change after year one.

LOL....you're trying to compare Saban rebuilding in the SEC to what Huff is doing here at Marshall and CUSA. We were in the conference championship game last year for goodness sakes. Brohm and Kiffin both showed what a good coach will do in CUSA and I expect the same from any coach we hire.

[herdfan129]

If anyone should be an expert on major mistakes a coach makes it should be you. After we all witnessed 11 years of mistakes by the previous coach that was here.. Doc couldn't even beat startup Charlotte, never won at Middle Tenn, etc.. I'm not so sure you will ever get over losing Doc as coach here..

If Huff were to finish the year 2-10 it was still the right call to fire Doc.

[The E-Man]

LOL....you're trying to compare Saban rebuilding in the SEC to what Huff is doing here at Marshall and CUSA. We were in the conference championship game last year for goodness sakes. Brohm and Kiffin both showed what a good coach will do in CUSA and I expect the same from any coach we hire.

I didn't compare Saban to Huff, go back and carefully read what I said. Huff has been here for not even 9 months and already you're calling for a coaching change. I can tell you it's not going to happen. I'm very excited having coach Huff here and getting our program back to winning championships! Dig this either you're on board of you're not!

[herd2win]

If anyone should be an expert on major mistakes a coach makes it should be you. After we all witnessed 11 years of mistakes by the previous coach that was here.. Doc couldn't even beat startup Charlotte, never won at Middle Tenn, etc.. I'm not so sure you will ever get over losing Doc as coach here..

We fired Doc to get better not get worse.  Doc did beat MTSU both home and on the road.  Why would we accept worse than what we had?  Why go through all of the change to get worse?  Huff has been a big talker and works to win the press conferences, he now needs to win football games.

Stats say that he should be very concerned with his defensive coaches and also the offensive performance in the 4th quarter.

[herdfan129]

I didn't compare Saban to Huff, go back and carefully read what I said. Huff has been here for not even 9 months and already you're calling for a coaching change. I can tell you it's not going to happen. I'm very excited having coach Huff here and getting our program back to winning championships! Dig this either you're on board of you're not!

Where did I call for a coaching change? You can?t find that, because I never said that. I said, at the end of the season, if we have a losing record THEN we need a coaching change.

[herdfan129]

We fired Doc to get better not get worse.  Doc did beat MTSU both home and on the road.  Why would we accept worse than what we had?  Why go through all of the change to get worse?  Huff has been a big talker and works to win the press conferences, he now needs to win football games.

Stats say that he should be very concerned with his defensive coaches and also the offensive performance in the 4th quarter.

Exactly. You better believe he would leave us for a better opportunity so I have no problem firing him if he doesn?t perform.... and a losing record with this schedule would tell us all we need to know imo.

[The E-Man]

Where did I call for a coaching change? You can?t find that, because I never said that. I said, at the end of the season, if we have a losing record THEN we need a coaching change.

Either you're in or you're not..

[The E-Man]

We fired Doc to get better not get worse. Doc did beat MTSU both home and on the road.  Why would we accept worse than what we had?  Why go through all of the change to get worse?   Huff has been a big talker and works to win the press conferences, he now needs to win football games.

Stats say that he should be very concerned with his defensive coaches and also the offensive performance in the 4th quarter.

Doc also lost more than he won and to the worst FBS teams in the nation... I'm not going to keep repeating the beat downs we took while he was head coach..

[herd2win]

Doc also lost more than he won and to the worst FBS teams in the nation... I'm not going to keep repeating the beat downs we took while he was head coach..

Challenged with math?  Doc has a better winning percentage than other MU loved coaches of other sports.  Doc won way more than he lost.

I wanted a change, it is just that after a 1/3 if the season the jury is out on Huff and our defense is way worse.

[Herdiowa]

The simple answer is yes.  This team would have gone 8-4 this year under Doc.  If Huff goes 6-6 cut your losses early.  There were questionable decisions he made when putting together his staff and now we are seeing major mistakes with ingame coaching decisions.

He is a good talker and now he needs to be a good coach.  We all know he won?t be let go no matter what he does this season but there has been nothing to show yet that he is a good coach.  More energetic than Doc, absolutely, better coach than Doc, early results would say no.

Of course Doc would have gone 8-4.  8-0 out of the gate ranked in top 20, then a huge team brawl in the parking lot to finish losing 4 in row.  Oh wait we?ve seen something similar before haven?t we?  No thank you. I?ll stick with Huff.

[herdfan129]

Either you're in or you're not..

We either hired a winner or we didn?t.

We either hired the right coach or we didn?t.

Simple as that.

[Big City]

Challenged with math?  Doc has a better winning percentage than other MU loved coaches of other sports.  Doc won way more than he lost.

I wanted a change, it is just that after a 1/3 if the season the jury is out on Huff and our defense is way worse.

Doc had a lot of wins that we are all thankful for. He had a few exciting, unexpected wins as well. With that came the ugly and some losses to the worst programs in the country as well as some of the biggest head scratching losses I?ve ever seen.

Doc also had one of the softest schedules 4-5 years in to his career to pad those wins.

Bottom line gets you some bowl wins which are nice but again softer teams, conference championship appearances with one embarrassing loss to Rice, home field win against La Tech and a fugly home loss to UAB. Doesn?t look good when this is pointed out on the old career record.

His record against Muddle Tenn - embarrassing. Several of those head scratching losses came in that stadium.

[herdfan129]

Doc had a lot of wins that we are all thankful for. He had a few exciting, unexpected wins as well. With that came the ugly and some losses to the worst programs in the country as well as some of the biggest head scratching losses I?ve ever seen.

Doc also had one of the softest schedules 4-5 years in to his career to pad those wins.

Bottom line gets you some bowl wins which are nice but again softer teams, conference championship appearances with one embarrassing loss to Rice, home field win against La Tech and a fugly home loss to UAB. Doesn?t look good when this is pointed out on the old career record.

His record against Muddle Tenn - embarrassing. Several of those head scratching losses came in that stadium.

According to Sagarin our schedule is currently ranked 133rd.

[The E-Man]

Doc had a lot of wins that we are all thankful for. He had a few exciting, unexpected wins as well. With that came the ugly and some losses to the worst programs in the country as well as some of the biggest head scratching losses I?ve ever seen.

(Doc also had one of the softest schedules 4-5 years in to his career to pad those wins).

Bottom line gets you some bowl wins which are nice (but again softer teams, conference championship appearances with one embarrassing loss to Rice), home field win against La Tech and a fugly home loss to UAB. Doesn?t look good when this is pointed out on the old career record.

His record against Middle Tenn - embarrassing. Several of those head scratching losses came in that stadium.

This^ + 1k

[The E-Man]

Challenged with math?  Doc has a better winning percentage than other MU loved coaches of other sports.  Doc won way more than he lost.

I wanted a change, it is just that after a 1/3 if the season the jury is out on Huff and our defense is way worse.

Yep, my challenge is about winning when it counted most against teams with a pulse.. Cincy, Boise, UCF, WKU, Akron,  and btw, One CUSA Championship in 11 years..so your math is about beating teams with basically losing records.

[herdfan129]

I'm not here to talk about Doc. I don't care about how terrible Doc was. That is water under the bridge.

We either made the right hire or we didn't. I still think Huff was the right hire, but I'm not going to blindly accept a losing record just because I hate Doc or because I like Huffs personality.

Last two games have been questionable at best in terms of coaching, and that's a fact. I will however wait until the end of the season to make my assessment on Huff and his staff (unless it's obvious we are going to have a losing record before the season is over).

[chris88]

Most people on here said 9-3 or 8-4. I had us losing to Navy and winning vs ECU. Most everyone had us losing to Appy.

CUSA has some good offenses and not so good defenses so far.  UTSA seems to be playing the best football early on. MU has handled the road atmospheres very well at Navy/Appy, so i'm not at all worried about whatever gimmicks MTSU uses to get a few hundred or more people in the stands.

My expectation is that we kick the snot out of the next 4 opponents before having our 4 toughest conf games to end regular season (@FAU, UAB, @Charlotte, WKU). Barring injury, I still believe we'll be favored in all 4 of those games to end year.

Huff has been refreshing to the program in many ways IMO. We'll know more about the entire staff over course of season.  The things I look for as red flags are stubborness and unwillingness to adapt/change to your personnel, your schemes, and techniques when they are clearly not working.  He went with other FG kicker pretty quick. Let's see how/if we change pass coverage techniques, redzone schemes, and tackling.

[Flat Tire 2]

Challenged with math?  Doc has a better winning percentage than other MU loved coaches of other sports.  Doc won way more than he lost.

I wanted a change, it is just that after a 1/3 if the season the jury is out on Huff and our defense is way worse.

Your boy, Doc almost killed MU football. I know a lot of people who dropped season tickets because of Doc. MU can't afford losing fans.  It is going to take time to rebuild the fan base. JHO.

Doc won a lot of games against low grade competition, but he had trouble winning the important games. He didn't play for championships. He should have been let go years earlier. MU wasted a ton of money on a mediocre coach.

[bighat]

We are still playing same competition.

[muherd34]

We are still playing same competition.

We also still have the same players who got shut out to Rice at our house.  Actually we have a way worse team than that team.  We lost a lot of good players from that squad that lost the last 4 games of the season.  All anyone has to do is go look at docs last 4 classes and see they are ranked in the bottom half of all college football.  Gonna take more than 12 games to "get that fixed".

[svherd]

We are still playing same competition.

If Doc was so darn good, why did he NEVER get an interview or consideration for another HC job?

And for the record, he called Pitt, they didn't call him.

[Flat Tire 2]

If Doc was so darn good, why did he NEVER get an interview or consideration for another HC job?

And for the record, he called Pitt, they didn't call him.

Doc spent nearly 30 years coaching in the college ranks and he was never an OC or DC. He did get a couple of AHC titles whatever that is. He spent over 20 plus years as a player and assistant coach at wvu and he was never considered for the head coaching job. I guess the people that know him the best, knew he was not HC material. MU made him wealthy and we should have invested in a better coach and in basketball than wasting our resources on him.

[wasbarryb]

Doc spent nearly 30 years coaching in the college ranks and he was never an OC or DC. He did get a couple of AHC titles whatever that is. He spent over 20 plus years as a player and assistant coach at wvu and he was never considered for the head coaching job. I guess the people that know him the best, knew he was not HC material. MU made him wealthy and we should have invested in a better coach and in basketball than wasting our resources on him.

While I agree with everything you have said, Doc isn't the only one we should blame for our decade long nightmare.

As bad as he was in addition to not winning as much as he should have, he also wasn't responsible for his rehiring and keeping his @ss on the payroll.  There are other parties as responsible for the Doc disaster as Doc was.

[herd2win]

People on here make it seem like we had 10 losing seasons in a row.  Could we have done better over the last 10 years?  Yes, but be careful when moving on.  Ask Nebraska how they have faired since they pushed Solich out the door and it looks like Ohio is sliding back.

At best we are looking at 8-4 this season and a second place East finish which sounds very familiar to the historic performance of Doc.

I hope Huff is more than just a good press conference guy.  He needs to make adjustments, especially on defense.

[svherd]

People on here make it seem like we had 10 losing seasons in a row.  Could we have done better over the last 10 years?  Yes, but be careful when moving on.  Ask Nebraska how they have faired since they pushed Solich out the door and it looks like Ohio is sliding back.

At best we are looking at 8-4 this season and a second place East finish which sounds very familiar to the historic performance of Doc.

I hope Huff is more than just a good press conference guy.  He needs to make adjustments, especially on defense.

He's a new HC, the learning curve will shorten over time. Didn't Doc go 5-7 his first year, then 7-6 and 5-7 in year 2 and 3.