Topic: Another bush league MU Head Coach ?

[HerdHopeful07]

Some of you guys just need something to complain about. There was a reason he did it because he didn't do it against North Texas. So something happened that made him want to pour it on. Also they were doing everything to try to break the shutout. If they would have kneeled it wouldn't have happened.

[muherd]

Listen we are playing back ups they want their chances if your 1st string can?t stop us sorry about your luck.

[herdinphilly]

After going for 2 at the end of a game where he blew out Michigan, Woody Hayes was asked why he went for 2. Hayes said, ?because we couldn?t go for 3.?

[GoHERDPT]

100% something pissed Huff off to make him do that. That was for a sure a message being sent, not trying to run it up.


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Exactly. Huff called a timeout after their 3rd down with :26 seconds left and the intent to have time left after we stopped a 4th down so he could throw fly patterns to the freshmen. Mixed emotions on this one

[herd1990]

Enough said!  This was from a month ago.

https://twitter.com/andrewwright15/status/1454583790152605698?s=21

[IM4DHERD]

If you can win a game with X minutes left and the other team has y timeouts by taking a knee to run out the clock, you do so. Otherwise you take a chance on a horrifying injury for no reason.  Huff was obviously, at least to me, rattled in his post-game Presser...One he should have been the most confident ever given the two last dominant wins.

[GreenBison]

Totally absurd. we threw back-to-back deep balls in the final minute up 38-0. I need a break from you guys living in a fantasy world where no class is A-OK.

Play till the whistle blows!  8) 8) 8)

[HoPPy785]

Enough said!  This was from a month ago.

https://twitter.com/andrewwright15/status/1454583790152605698?s=21

This is exactly what I thought of tonight. Glad someone had the clip.

[HoPPy785]

If you can win a game with X minutes left and the other team has y timeouts by taking a knee to run out the clock, you do so. Otherwise you take a chance on a horrifying injury for no reason.  Huff was obviously, at least to me, rattled in his post-game Presser...One he should have been the most confident ever given the two last dominant wins.

He did seem to be on some adrenaline or something in that presser. I agree that he was angry about something.

[parshall2marshall]

Playing football during a football game is not having no class.  And we've been burnt stopping our offense before.  How do you know the #4 receiver can catch pass during a game?  You fecking throw it to him during a game.  And they did it first.  They tried to bust our shut-out with a minute left.  If they didn't want us to try to score again they could have run the clock out when they had the ball.  I'm going to stop before I say something worse than what you did.  As many times as we've had the score run up on us by teams daring us to stop them and you're worried about a 38 point game.  We could have left everyone in and scored 60.  If the backups are in that is the extent of sportsmanship required.  If their #1s can't stop our #3s and 4s perhaps they are in the wrong division.

Another ludicrous argument. If they wanted to run the ball or throw a flat pass in the final minute that is fine to give the backups some experience. Do you just not want to admit it was a very bad look to go for a HR ball, twice in a row no less. Or do you actually not know the difference. Short passing over and over Cato to Shuler in a possession game to send a message when the bowl game is already wrapped up - that was fine. But not to try to rub it in the face of an opponent - and a beaten down opponent at that - to send the message - that is NO CLASS. And what goes around often comes around. Maybe not in this case, with us leaving CUSA. But still. You've got a lot of support from the bloodthirsty crowd on the Board, which why I need to re-evaluate my time spent here.

[yogiherd]

Good grief!!!
We read about fans complaining after a loss and now we are reading about fans complaining about a win? The team controlled the game the way fans expected them to, but now complain about giving the 3rd and 4th string players experience at trying to score. I know no one can be happy after a loss but you can enjoy happiness after a win. I don't know of any rule saying one should complain after a win because of seldom used players having a chance to play to score.
GO HERD!!!

[beau42m]

Another ludicrous argument. If they wanted to run the ball or throw a flat pass in the final minute that is fine to give the backups some experience. Do you just not want to admit it was a very bad look to go for a HR ball, twice in a row no less. Or do you actually not know the difference. Short passing over and over Cato to Shuler in a possession game to send a message when the bowl game is already wrapped up - that was fine. But not to try to rub it in the face of an opponent - and a beaten down opponent at that - to send the message - that is NO CLASS. And what goes around often comes around. Maybe not in this case, with us leaving CUSA. But still. You've got a lot of support from the bloodthirsty crowd on the Board, which why I need to re-evaluate my time spent here.

Agree, with many thanks! I need to re-evaluate my time spent here also!

[Herdmeister]

I think we got the ball with 14 seconds left, didn't we? And we threw 2 deep passes. All we had to do was take a knee...

I usually have an opinion on everything...but I don't know what to think about this. What makes it worse is we hadn't thrown deep all game. There were also multiple injuries between both teams. That's usually why coaches get mad at these things. It's one more play or 3 more plays in this case that take a chance on getting guys hurt...

...with that said...I get giving the back-ups playing time. I like the aggressiveness. I like finishing the game. But it was just really a bad look IMO under these exact circumstances. I do not mind doing this with 1:00 minute to play...but I'm pretty sure there was only 14 seconds left.

I totally agreed with the decision at Navy with a couple of minutes left. But with 17 seconds, I think a little differently. It was obvious that Davis was having a conversation with Huff about it after the game. After general pleasantries you could see that Davis was talking but Huff gave absolutely response of what Butch was saying.
I cane home and watched a replay just to confirm my suspicions.

[GreenWhite]

I see the point on both sides. I'm just wondering why we weren't that aggressive with Zban in the game. I have to believe something happened that set Huff off. Maybe it was the aggressiveness FIU had with our 3rd stringers in on defense. Did they have subs in on defense late in the game? If FIU was still playing their first string defense with less than 30 seconds to go in the game, would that not be bush league for Butch Davis? I, at first, questioned why coach Huff was throwing deep with less than 30 seconds to go. After thinking about it, and sleeping on it, I'm thinking I need to find out who FIU had in the game on defense when it was in doubt.

[luvherd]

I see the point on both sides. I'm just wondering why we weren't that aggressive with Zban in the game. I have to believe something happened that set Huff off. Maybe it was the aggressiveness FIU had with our 3rd stringers in on defense. Did they have subs in on defense late in the game? If FIU was still playing their first string defense with less than 30 seconds to go in the game, would that not be bush league for Butch Davis? I, at first, questioned why coach Huff was throwing deep with less than 30 seconds to go. After thinking about it, and sleeping on it, I'm thinking I need to find out who FIU had in the game on defense when it was in doubt.

Cam is only allowed to play 4 games to keep his redshirt. So I suspect Huff wanted to give him some live action to prepare him for the future.

[Herdiowa]

If FIU doesn?t like it then stop it.  I have to wonder if any of you have played college sports.  You bust your butt for 11-12 months of the year for the chance you get to perform in a game.  You get in the game in mop up time.  Let me ask you would it motivate you to bust your butt for another 11 months if you get in and the coach ran 3 dive plays? 

With the transfer portal being what it is you need to keep the players happy or your looking at big turnover.  It also allows the coaching staff to evaluate the players and gives them tape to coach them on. 

[elginherd]

If it was our ones vs their ones and/or twos, that's bush league.

If it's our twos and/or threes vs their twos and threes, then Butchie boy needs to look at it as an opportunity to see some of his bench against other players besides their own during scout team duties. It's an opportunity to get some more valid tape on his depth chart.

[BerkshireHerdFan]

Another ludicrous argument. If they wanted to run the ball or throw a flat pass in the final minute that is fine to give the backups some experience. Do you just not want to admit it was a very bad look to go for a HR ball, twice in a row no less. Or do you actually not know the difference. Short passing over and over Cato to Shuler in a possession game to send a message when the bowl game is already wrapped up - that was fine. But not to try to rub it in the face of an opponent - and a beaten down opponent at that - to send the message - that is NO CLASS. And what goes around often comes around. Maybe not in this case, with us leaving CUSA. But still. You've got a lot of support from the bloodthirsty crowd on the Board, which why I need to re-evaluate my time spent here.

Bad look to who?  Who fing cares. It excited OUR players and that is all that matters.Is a stud player going to pass on the Herd because they try to score?  Stop the nonsense,  this is not pop warner.

[herd1990]

This response was on a Marshall Facebook forum and posted by Marshall coach and former player, Doug Chapman:

This will likely be the only time I comment in this forum, but I would like to properly address this post.

We have players on our team that you?ve never heard of that practice hard every single day. They deserve the opportunity to reap the rewards of their hard work, and when the opportunity is there our staff puts them in a position to do so. Should our backup QB never be allowed to pass? Should our 3rd team WR never be allowed to catch a pass in college? Would you like to come to practice this week & tell our backups to continue to practice hard but if they get in don?t expect to do in the game what you practice all week? What do we tell the parents of recruits? That if your son comes here & isn?t a starter, he will never be allowed to show his skills?

Lastly, FIU could have kneeled and went home but they chose to throw a deep ball on 4th down. So when we got the ball back we returned the favor with our DESERVING reserve players. So yes this is who WE ARE. We are about giving hard working young men the chance to display their skills when the opportunity presents itself.

Thank you for your support & #LFGoHerd

[Scottyo614]

For those upset at the end, the back ups were in early. 3rd quarter? Up 31-0. Play calling in the second half was very reserved to not run the score up. If we can agree there then we open up something happened to throw those two home runs. Coach could have embarrassed them if he wanted to yesterday.

[MUther]

Another ludicrous argument. If they wanted to run the ball or throw a flat pass in the final minute that is fine to give the backups some experience. Do you just not want to admit it was a very bad look to go for a HR ball, twice in a row no less. Or do you actually not know the difference. Short passing over and over Cato to Shuler in a possession game to send a message when the bowl game is already wrapped up - that was fine. But not to try to rub it in the face of an opponent - and a beaten down opponent at that - to send the message - that is NO CLASS. And what goes around often comes around. Maybe not in this case, with us leaving CUSA. But still. You've got a lot of support from the bloodthirsty crowd on the Board, which why I need to re-evaluate my time spent here.

I think you wouldn't know what class was if it jumped up and bit you in the a$$.  I think it's classless to call out the coach's perceived lack of class on a message board, anonymously.  Why don't you go tell him to his face what you think of him?  Oh yeah, because you not only don't have class but you also lack integrity.  Now stfu and quit whining.

[herdfan129]

Bad look to who?  Who fing cares. It excited OUR players and that is all that matters.Is a stud player going to pass on the Herd because they try to score?  Stop the nonsense,  this is not pop warner.

Not just our players but our fans. I will stay tuned in and actually cheer when our backups are making plays. If we put in the back ups and just milk the clock like we did against North Texas then I will either leave to go home or flip the channel. I'm not watching that, but I love watching what our young and future players are capable of.

[forphase1]

Going up top with a 30+ point lead in the final minute or 2. With Butch Davis not going to be brought back and will probably retire from coaching.

Doc did the same thing against FIU. I apologize but bush is bush. I don't care if waterboy is playing QB for MU in that situation..

Very silly take.  FIU was still playing hard and trying to score on their lost possession even though the game was clearly lost.  And sure, you could say they were trying to avoid the shutout, but does that really matter?  A loss is a loss.  Are they feeling different/better today losing 38-7 instead of 38-0?  I don't think so.  If they are going to play to the very end, no reason why we shouldn't do the same.  And as Doug Chapman (who knows a ton more about the college game and locker room than 99% of the folks who post here do) said, giving those backups the chance to run the offense is a reward for them and all the work/effort they do through the week that we never get to see.  Yes, if FIU had simply ran up the gut the end of their possession in recognition that the game was over, then Huff may do things differently.  But FIU was trying until 17 seconds was left, so why couldn't we try for those 17 seconds?  I would have been fine if Huff chose to take a knee.  But I'm also more than fine for Huff to chose to finish playing hard until the final whistle.  Sorry if you disagree. 

[Herd at Work]

Guys we play to score and win. Bobby would  keep trying  to score. How many times did we score 50 in his tenure. I'm glad to see us play the full game

[herdloyal]

Remember a few years back against Cindy at Home what blowout was that! You %^&*ing @#$%y better get use to it because Huff means to send a message!