Topic: How hot is D'Antoni's Seat?

[ThunderingHerdFan]

What does the charter have to do with anything?

Lots of teams don't charter.

That?s absolutely untrue at our level. Far more than 50% of our home opponents charter in with their men?s teams.

[chris88]

I think DD is a better X and O guy than most coaches we'd had over last 30 yrs.  Do not like the lack of timely time outs when struggling or clock mgt when in lead. Recruiting seems to be moving to more athleticism (OAK, Toussaint etc) but still more misses than hits to this point.

I do think DD is a little stubborn about his system.  I do think the system is much more entertaining vs how we played before when played right, but we don't have NBA players that each have great shooting ability, great athleticism, and great dribbling. Put guys in best position to succeed. Take good, mechanically sound shots. We have been better until last game in being more relaxed shooting (except Taylor) but we often, and for years, hear about how great V, W, X, Y, Z are as shooters. And, yes, everyone has an off game, but we are shooting 25.9% from three which ranks 331st in country. You can't preach a system that relies on shooters and shoot that bad and rank that low. That is a serious disconnect. Not sure we have even ever been in top 50 in 3-pt shooting, but for this system to produce championship caliber type teams we're going to have to shoot a lot better...and the first way to do that is to take better shots.

[jdonaccbus]

Just a quick observation. D'Antoni's offensive style of play really dictates that you have a 2-guard that has a quick release and is a serious threat as a 3-point shooter. The Fricks injury I do think is hurting this team. I just don't know against the good teams that you can have Kinsey at the 2 and Beyers at whatever position he is playing. I just like Kinsey at the small forward, adding a quicker player at the 2 so that when you have Taylor running the transition, you have an athletic Kinsey coming down the floor but a 2-guard that is a threat outside. I don't think you want Taylor as your primary outside threat on top of top assist man and penetrator. Beyers herky-jerkey offensive moves just won't work against any quality team in C-USA. I really like D'Antoni as a coach since he came here. But I think he made a mistake by not getting another 2-guard this past year. Either that or let's see what Collins can do with Fricks injured. I realize they want to improve Kinsey's stock but your goal is to win games. I just think in order to play in the NBA, Kinsey will have to play some in a development league first. He has to improve his game as a 2-guard, ie learning to better break defenders down off the dribble and improving his outside shot.

I do think Marshall has some good head coaches in place with their athletic program...in my opinion, a lot better than what the fanbase thinks.

[THECHAMPISHERE]

3 games into the season after the first loss to a quality team...when we had an off night shooting which WILL happen multiple times to every team in the nation each year...and we are asking if the head coach's seat is hot. Insanity.

You guys do realize if everyone acted like us after every loss and had their way....half of the entire Div 1 of basketball would have a new coach every 3 days. 150 hot seats every 3 days.

[coalherd]

3 games into the season after the first loss to a quality team...when we had an off night shooting which WILL happen multiple times to every team in the nation each year...and we are asking if the head coach's seat is hot. Insanity.

You guys do realize if everyone acted like us after every loss and had their way....half of the entire Div 1 of basketball would have a new coach every 3 days. 150 hot seats every 3 days.

Little early in the year, CHAMP, to decide already who is a "Quality" team.  Campbell didn't exactly come into Huntington fresh off wins over some Top 20 opponents.

[MUHERD1]

What does the charter have to do with anything?

Lots of teams don't charter.

I was just clarifying because a lot of people earlier in the thread said little ol Campbell didn't charter an airplane and they beat us.

[Herdmeister]

Just a quick observation. D'Antoni's offensive style of play really dictates that you have a 2-guard that has a quick release and is a serious threat as a 3-point shooter. The Fricks injury I do think is hurting this team. I just don't know against the good teams that you can have Kinsey at the 2 and Beyers at whatever position he is playing. I just like Kinsey at the small forward, adding a quicker player at the 2 so that when you have Taylor running the transition, you have an athletic Kinsey coming down the floor but a 2-guard that is a threat outside. I don't think you want Taylor as your primary outside threat on top of top assist man and penetrator. Beyers herky-jerkey offensive moves just won't work against any quality team in C-USA. I really like D'Antoni as a coach since he came here. But I think he made a mistake by not getting another 2-guard this past year. Either that or let's see what Collins can do with Fricks injured. I realize they want to improve Kinsey's stock but your goal is to win games. I just think in order to play in the NBA, Kinsey will have to play some in a development league first. He has to improve his game as a 2-guard, ie learning to better break defenders down off the dribble and improving his outside shot.

I do think Marshall has some good head coaches in place with their athletic program...in my opinion, a lot better than what the fanbase thinks.

Braun can play both the 1 and 2. He will get plenty of action at both positions as the season advances. Fricks has shown to be the best shooter on the team. Hopefully the knee holds up and he will get to play the entire season

[Toro Toro Taxi]

Braun can play both the 1 and 2. He will get plenty of action at both positions as the season advances. Fricks has shown to be the best shooter on the team. Hopefully the knee holds up and he will get to play the entire season

Im not the coach but Id redshirt Fricks , let that leg get all the rest and recovery time it can get.

[chris88]

Just a quick observation. D'Antoni's offensive style of play really dictates that you have a 2-guard that has a quick release and is a serious threat as a 3-point shooter. The Fricks injury I do think is hurting this team. I just don't know against the good teams that you can have Kinsey at the 2 and Beyers at whatever position he is playing. I just like Kinsey at the small forward, adding a quicker player at the 2 so that when you have Taylor running the transition, you have an athletic Kinsey coming down the floor but a 2-guard that is a threat outside. I don't think you want Taylor as your primary outside threat on top of top assist man and penetrator. Beyers herky-jerkey offensive moves just won't work against any quality team in C-USA. I really like D'Antoni as a coach since he came here. But I think he made a mistake by not getting another 2-guard this past year. Either that or let's see what Collins can do with Fricks injured. I realize they want to improve Kinsey's stock but your goal is to win games. I just think in order to play in the NBA, Kinsey will have to play some in a development league first. He has to improve his game as a 2-guard, ie learning to better break defenders down off the dribble and improving his outside shot.

I agree with everything except quick release part. Completely overrated at this level.  Quick release is a bonus but not necessary for success.  If your release needs to be that quick you are not open and should pass or dribble by defender. West probably had the slowest release on our team but was the best 3 pt shooter by percentage....over 40%. We have 4 starters shooting under 19% from 3. There are guys in college BB that could probably make a higher percentage shooting half court shots.

[The E-Man]

We have 4 starters shooting under 19% from 3. There are guys in college BB that could probably make a higher percentage shooting half court shots.

WOW! I didn't know 4 starters are shooting under 19%. Hell, I can get a few guys off this board that can shoot better than that.. That's totally unacceptable! Whatever  they're on doing the coaches need to change that and not have the players rush their shots...Our shooters shoot to quick. In DD system, he teaches to release the ball quickly. Players need to get a good feel when shooting as opposed to shooting on the run.

[svherd]

After watching Indiana destroy Louisiana, I hope we don't put much stock in the game versus the Hoosiers.

[Toro Toro Taxi]

As a team , we are shooting .255 from three ( opp .366 ) We are 26-102 from 3 . (Opp are 30-82)
 
As a team , we are shooting .447 (opp .413 )  We are 117-262 . (Opp are 104-252)

We are doing much better this season rebounding 43 to 36

[forphase1]

Should be getting warming based upon how the team is playing right now....

[herd2win]

He has a free pass and knows it.  He has no pressure to perform.   His buddy is governor and his sister is on the BOGs.

He could win 12 games and not have pressure.

[Herdalum83]

He has a free pass and knows it.  He has no pressure to perform.   His buddy is governor and his sister is on the BOGs.

He could win 12 games and not have pressure.

He has no pressure because he's working for peanuts. No one is gonna fire a basketball coach that averages nearly 20 wins a season and has only one losing season when they work for as cheap as DD, add-in that he did something no other coach has ever done here, and only making $200k a year keeps his seat pretty cool.

[coalherd]

He has a free pass and knows it.  He has no pressure to perform.   His buddy is governor and his sister is on the BOGs.

He could win 12 games and not have pressure.

Well, he's "safe" as long as we have "interim" President and Athletic Directors types in charge.

Hopefully, the "new" permanent folks in those positions will do a thorough evaluation and audit of everything and every program within our Athletics program.  If this team continues on its current path, win one, lose one, run hot and cold throughout the season with a final overall blah and nondescript record with NO post season participation, then the seat has to start warming up.  Danny would definitely be firmly in Doc territory without a doubt.

Oh, and one other vital and critical factor will no doubt be in consideration:  Finances and Revenue, particularly for the Athletic Department.  Right now, it appears that the trend is for Marshall basketball to attract only 4,000 to 4,500 people on average to its games, which means a HALF EMPTY Arena every game.  No doubt part of that can be related, somewhat, to the lingering Pandemic.  But, as it has already this season, continuing inconsistent, spotty and at times downright poor play by this HERD team and you're going to see game attendance fall to 3500 or lower level, which then should be a definite RED FLAG for the Athletic and University administrations!!

[herdfifteen]

He has no pressure because he's working for peanuts. No one is gonna fire a basketball coach that averages nearly 20 wins a season and has only one losing season when they work for as cheap as DD add-in that he did something no other coach has ever done here. and only making $200k a year keeps his seat pretty cool.

$200000 is bull crap, DDs total package is in the neighborhood of $600000.

[herdinphilly]

$200000 is bull crap, DDs total package is in the neighborhood of $600000.

That?s still peanuts in the D1 coaching world.

[herd2win]

He has no pressure because he's working for peanuts. No one is gonna fire a basketball coach that averages nearly 20 wins a season and has only one losing season when they work for as cheap as DD, add-in that he did something no other coach has ever done here, and only making $200k a year keeps his seat pretty cool.

Been posted many times that his pay is over $600k a year with the show money and everything.  The narrative that he only makes $200k is a joke.

[MUonium]

how many decent to very good teams have we beaten in OOC over that last several years?

[Herdalum83]

$200000 is bull crap, DDs total package is in the neighborhood of $600000.

His base Salary is $200,000.

For example In 2017 he totaled out at $298,594

In 2020 he totaled out at $529,822.


Yes, he can earn more based on different things in his contract but his base is $200,000 and even if he hits that 600k range he's still on the low end of average for our league.

[mu79grad]

He has a free pass and knows it.  He has no pressure to perform.   His buddy is governor and his sister is on the BOGs.

He could win 12 games and not have pressure.

I remember at a Big Green gathering, the first one Dan attended after he was hired, he said to the group words to this effect, "You won't have to fire me because I will step down if I'm not producing."  These questions have to be asked, was he truly serious with that comment and what is his definition of "Not producing?"

[coalherd]

how many decent to very good teams have we beaten in OOC over that last several years?

Somewhere Muonium, I'm sure, perhaps even close by a list of those teams can be found, probably on the BACK of a very SMALL postage stamp!  :D

[wasbarryb]

I remember at a Big Green gathering, the first one Dan attended after he was hired, he said to the group words to this effect, "You won't have to fire me because I will step down if I'm not producing."  These questions have to be asked, was he truly serious with that comment and what is his definition of "Not producing?"

I think a lot of coaches make statements like that when they are hired.  In their hearts I think they mean it and believe it when they say it, a few years later they end up being fired rather than walking away. 

[coalherd]

His base Salary is $200,000.

For example In 2017 he totaled out at $298,594

In 2020 he totaled out at $529,822.


Yes, he can earn more based on different things in his contract but his base is $200,000 and even if he hits that 600k range he's still on the low end of average for our league.

And in 8 years we've been, overall, average to somewhat above average in a average to somewhat above average, one bid League, with one Conference championship and one NCAA tourney appearance with one win there.  So if that is the desired level to which most HERD fans and the administration aspire going forward, then we're getting a good deal with Danny.  Maybe we should give him a "lifetime" contract!  ;)