Topic: Rice game thread

[Hazer74]

I would say DD won't have to let anybody go on this roster i'd say they will be atleast 6 hit the portal.

Im going to say we lose 8

[Biggreensportsfan]

Neither one of the 2 coming in will be a factor next year need to put on weight.

[Buffalo Bop]

Neither one of the 2 coming in will be a factor next year need to put on weight.

Yes, both players will need to get stronger coming from HS to college. But Conner will see the floor sooner as he will be only the fourth player on the team who can dribble-drive the ball to the basket.

Dan, in his last postgame talk, said he only has 2.5 to 3 players who can drive the ball to the hole.

[Garbanjo]

Im going to say we lose 8

Care to speculate on who is leaving?

[whf]

My 92 year old Granny would be an improvement over Goran...I know she's meaner and tougher at least.

When I think about Goran's growth, or lack thereof, I think of the development of much less talented kids I've seen at other schools, some of them right under our eyes in C-USA; which makes me wonder about the coaching he is getting.  One thing I do think is that everyone plays timid because 2 bad minutes on the court means 20 worse minutes on the bench with DD.

[miltonherdfan]

Im going to say we lose 8

who are they & who'd want 'em?

HM confirmed what we already know, that DD isn't gonna run anyone off.

we lose george & beyers to eligibility expiring, there's 2.

OAK & TK are the only 2 that'd probably get a "power" conference offer in the portal.  i mean, if you can't shoot the basketball, which obviously nobody other than OAK & Kinsey (when they play within their range!) can, who'd want 'em?  EKU might.  anyone else?

[HoPPy785]

When I think about Goran's growth, or lack thereof, I think of the development of much less talented kids I've seen at other schools, some of them right under our eyes in C-USA; which makes me wonder about the coaching he is getting.  One thing I do think is that everyone plays timid because 2 bad minutes on the court means 20 worse minutes on the bench with DD.

Maybe I'm mixing this up, but I believe Cline is responsible for the big men. He has been here a long time and I haven't seen a single big man improve their game, aside from Penava. What am I missing that keeps him on the staff?

You can't be in your 3rd and 4th year and making mistakes left and right in a 2min span. The guys, Goran, Beyers, etc. that people complain get benched to quick need to be producing more when given the chance after being in the program this long. You get an opportunity and give up 6pts due to mental lapses and turnovers in a matter of 5 minutes and produce nothing on offense then you should hit the bench.

[HoPPy785]

Handlogten will be an improvement over Goran. From the game highlights I?ve seen, he?s more athletic and quicker. He also dunks a lot.

Dunking seems to be a lost art for anyone over 6'10" at Marshall.

[MUonium]

This is who we potentially have coming back (2022-23).  to the best of my knowledge, Theineman is the only non-scholarship player.  that's 14 scholarships (13+1 Covid extra)??   i don't think we lose 8 or anywhere close because who the heck wants to give up a mostly-free education??  however, i can certainly help pick out a few if DD wants to give fans the axe to wield.

i don't know how rare it is to get someone like Penava, someone who will break out as an mid-upperclassman, but we do need to do better spotting growth potential (and maybe we have in the latest classes). we do need to look at the portal for a experienced contributor or two.  to repeat, i do think the last three recruiting classes are a bit better overall, but how much better is TBD and a matter of opinion- ultimately though, it'll be a matter of wins-loses.

(i could be wrong on class status/years of eligibility)

Taevion Kinsey Sr
Andrew Taylor Jr
Marko Sarenac Jr
Goran Miladinovic Jr
Jeremy Dillon Jr
Devin Collins Jr
Obinna Anochili-Killen So
David Early So
Kyle Braun So
Wyatt Fricks So
Chase McKey So
Creighton Theineman So
Aymeric Toussaint So
Jacob Conner Fr
Micah Handlogten Fr

[Rockin Herd Fan]

This is who we potentially have coming back (2022-23).  to the best of my knowledge, Theineman is the only non-scholarship player.  that's 14 scholarships (13+1 Covid extra)??   i don't think we lose 8 or anywhere close because who the heck wants to give up a mostly-free education??  however, i can certainly help pick out a few if DD wants to give fans the axe to wield.

i don't know how rare it is to get someone like Penava, someone who will break out as an mid-upperclassman, but we do need to do better spotting growth potential (and maybe we have in the latest classes). we do need to look at the portal for a experienced contributor or two.  to repeat, i do think the last three recruiting classes are a bit better overall, but how much better is TBD and a matter of opinion- ultimately though, it'll be a matter of wins-loses.

(i could be wrong on class status/years of eligibility)

Taevion Kinsey Sr
Andrew Taylor Jr
Marko Sarenac Jr
Goran Miladinovic Jr
Jeremy Dillon Jr
Devin Collins Jr
Obinna Anochili-Killen So
David Early So
Kyle Braun So
Wyatt Fricks So
Chase McKey So
Creighton Theineman So
Aymeric Toussaint So
Jacob Conner Fr
Micah Handlogten Fr

This is just me speculating, but I could see Braun hitting the transfer portal after this season.  He is from Los Angeles and he is currently buried on the bench.  I could see him trying to find a school to play at that is closer to home.  Again, there are four players that if I was Danny I would pull their scholarships.  I know that may sound heartless to some, but with the free movement of players in the portal, college athletics aren't the same from even before the pandemic.  Coaches are going to have to recruit their own players from year to year to try to keep them out of the portal.  Coaches are going to have to constantly be scouring the portal in case a kid on their team unexpectedly decides to jump ship.  I'm not sure Danny is built for this new world of college athletics.  Hell, I'm not sure I'm built for this new world of college athletics!!!

[MUfan08]

This is who we potentially have coming back (2022-23).  to the best of my knowledge, Theineman is the only non-scholarship player.  that's 14 scholarships (13+1 Covid extra)??   i don't think we lose 8 or anywhere close because who the heck wants to give up a mostly-free education??  however, i can certainly help pick out a few if DD wants to give fans the axe to wield.

i don't know how rare it is to get someone like Penava, someone who will break out as an mid-upperclassman, but we do need to do better spotting growth potential (and maybe we have in the latest classes). we do need to look at the portal for a experienced contributor or two.  to repeat, i do think the last three recruiting classes are a bit better overall, but how much better is TBD and a matter of opinion- ultimately though, it'll be a matter of wins-loses.

(i could be wrong on class status/years of eligibility)

Taevion Kinsey Sr
Andrew Taylor Jr
Marko Sarenac Jr
Goran Miladinovic Jr
Jeremy Dillon Jr
Devin Collins Jr
Obinna Anochili-Killen So
David Early So
Kyle Braun So
Wyatt Fricks So
Chase McKey So
Creighton Theineman So
Aymeric Toussaint So
Jacob Conner Fr
Micah Handlogten Fr

There are about 5 players Dan needs to have a heart to heart talk to about their scholarships will not be renewed and he will help them get to another school.

Use those 5 scholarships to hit the portal or JUCO field. Standing par is not an option, but of course Dan might not be here next season.

[coalherd]

Maybe I'm mixing this up, but I believe Cline is responsible for the big men. He has been here a long time and I haven't seen a single big man improve their game, aside from Penava. What am I missing that keeps him on the staff?

You can't be in your 3rd and 4th year and making mistakes left and right in a 2min span. The guys, Goran, Beyers, etc. that people complain get benched to quick need to be producing more when given the chance after being in the program this long. You get an opportunity and give up 6pts due to mental lapses and turnovers in a matter of 5 minutes and produce nothing on offense then you should hit the bench.

Sorry, but that's all on DANNY, not Cline.  Danny has yapped for years now that "nobody plays with the bact to the basket anymore", citing some of that "Danalytics" crap he uses for excuses.  We have Miladinovich, a 7 footer, one of the biggest players in CUSA.  So why not, at times, set it up to get him the ball down low in the paint.  That means, in practice, have Cline or another assistant work on his footwork in the paint: pivoting, up and under moves, drop step move and then a baby hook from 5 feet or so.  Doubt if that is ever done.  Cause when he is in the game, Milandinovich is just like everybody else in Kelly Green, jerking up a quick three from anywhere, no matter what the game situation.  Its Danny ball, not Mark Cline!!  Assistants can only do what the Head Coach wants.  And Danny is adamantly against ANY low post, back to the basket, offensive style of play!!

That big guy from Indiana didn't set his career scoring record against the HERD by firing away constantly from 3 point land, for example!

[The Right Stuff]

Good post coalherd.  I have seen a couple of times they have done exactly what you are talking about but Goran can't finish.

TRS
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[pembrook burrows III]

I go to a few practices, certainly not as many as others around here. And on more than one occasion I have seen Mark Cline take the big guys to one end of the floor to work on low post moves and footwork. Often this training is combined with grad assistants and managers banging on the big guys with large pads to simulate contact and opposition. So to suggest that this kind of instruction is never done is false. A quick glance at the team stat sheet shows that almost 2 out of every 3 shots taken this year by Miladinovic have not been from the three point line. The problem is that Goran is not very efficient in the low post , sinking only 46% of his non-threes, and getting to the line for only 5 free throws. I think TRS's ultimate assessment is accurate.

[MicDrass1]

Bring on power b-ball

[coalherd]

I go to a few practices, certainly not as many as others around here. And on more than one occasion I have seen Mark Cline take the big guys to one end of the floor to work on low post moves and footwork. Often this training is combined with grad assistants and managers banging on the big guys with large pads to simulate contact and opposition. So to suggest that this kind of instruction is never done is false. A quick glance at the team stat sheet shows that almost 2 out of every 3 shots taken this year by Miladinovic have not been from the three point line. The problem is that Goran is not very efficient in the low post , sinking only 46% of his non-threes, and getting to the line for only 5 free throws. I think TRS's ultimate assessment is accurate.

Thanks pbIII.  Good to know.  But if Goran is getting all that work from assistants, etc., then it's just possible that the fact is he just doesn't have the inate talent, skill, etc., to play at the D1 level, CUSA variety at least!  Then that is more on Danny than on Cline, and perhaps more on Rigot as the guy who, I believe, was his chief recruiter.  I'm sure Danny has the final say on who his program grants their scholarships to.