Topic: FIU game thread

[GreenWhite]

Outrebounded by 14. Uncalled for.

[Herdiowa]

This team is D-O-N-E.  Dan looks done as well.

[Ovaltine Jenkins]

But . . .but . . .but, wbb, Coach D says that this is "FUN".  That's why he is Coaching the Herd, for the "FUN", and because he wants Marshall fans to come to the games for "FUN'!!!

I don't understand the DD worship.  Eight years of BS and no one sees that he's out of his depth as a college coach.  He can't recruit.  That's first and foremost.  Many will say, "He played for Marshall and is from Mullens."  So what?  It's time to rip the bandaid off and hire a coach who is willing to go find players whereever they are.  Marshall Basketball is inconsequential.  As the "Soup Nazi would say. Next!

[coalherd]

Early should be a tight end.  Not his fault he's being used in a way that he's not physically equipped to play.   Tough sports year for our Herd.

Well, Danny recruits em.  Their little 5'8" guard ran circles around us tonight, mainly because of his "quickness", something we lack GREATLY as a team!!  Also, they killed us on the boards, by double digits, and they were led by a transfer from Vandy, I believe, with a double double, 15 pts, 11 boards.  Oh, but Danny doesn't recruit transfers; he believes in recruiting the average to mediocre types and "coach em up"!  This is the result!!!!

[Herd72]

?Danalytics? say we are simply a poor basketball team. We basically have 2 1/2 to 3 division one players and no one capable of playing the other two spots. Losing is a habit, and we have developed it. I am going to watch college wrestling which I greatly enjoy for the rest of this season.

[miltonherdfan]

DD post-game: "maybe we're just too young"

this is your 8th yr!!!  you can't use that excuse when you're responsible for the last 7 recruiting classes!!

who else's fault could it possibly be?!  for crying out loud, we're OLDER than we should be (george & beyers wouldn't even be on the team if it weren't for extra COVID yr, which you obviously didn't plan on getting when you recruited all these kids)!

[jdonaccbus]

It is the 8th straight loss........8!

If your team has any type of talent and a pulse, then you don't lose 8 in a row. I actually think FIU did Marshall a favor by pulling the ball out when they were up 11. Had FIU kept playing downhill on Marshall's defense, I actually think this margin would have been worse.

This Marshall team looked outmatched during the final 10 minutes of this game. The offense has now come down to over-dribbling in the half-court set and certain players playing Vitamin I basketball.

[miltonherdfan]

I actually think FIU did Marshall a favor by pulling the ball out when they were up 11. Had FIU kept playing downhill on Marshall's defense, I actually think this margin would have been worse.

yeah, FIU went in to their "doc up by 3 with 10 mins to go" offense.  they're lucky we're so bad.  anyone else would've scored enough points to pull it out.

[RollingThunder80]

It is the 8th straight loss........8!

If your team has any type of talent and a pulse, then you don't lose 8 in a row. I actually think FIU did Marshall a favor by pulling the ball out when they were up 11. Had FIU kept playing downhill on Marshall's defense, I actually think this margin would have been worse.

This Marshall team looked outmatched during the final 10 minutes of this game. The offense has now come down to over-dribbling in the half-court set and certain players playing Vitamin I basketball.

Absolutely right. A decent team will luck into 1-2 games out of 8. This team is embarrassingly bad.  Under talented and coached   

[Buffalo Bop]

I think Dan?s longest losing streak at Marshall is 9 in his first year.

[lexkyherdfan]

DD post-game: "maybe we're just too young"

this is your 8th yr!!!  you can't use that excuse when you're responsible for the last 7 recruiting classes!!

who else's fault could it possibly be?!  for crying out loud, we're OLDER than we should be (george & beyers wouldn't even be on the team if it weren't for extra COVID yr, which you obviously didn't plan on getting when you recruited all these kids)!

We are not young. With COVID year class really doesn?t matter because we have players that have played a lot. If he is playing kids that haven?t played much then that is on the staff for poor recruiting and poor development.

I am a big fan of DD but this is not fun to watch. Reminds me of football the last few years of Doc.  Boring.  I worked during the game tonight with it on in the background.  I just couldn?t bring myself to only watch the game and work after it ended.

[GreenWhite]

I think Dan?s longest losing streak at Marshall is 9 in his first year.

According to Steve, you are right with an *. It is actually 13 games to Division 1 opponents. His first season here.

[RollingThunder80]

Team total of 5 assists.  Consider me not a fan of hillbilly ball.

[jdonaccbus]

DD post-game: "maybe we're just too young"

This is lame on his part. He lost 3 guys to the portal. THEN YOU HAVE TO FIND SOME GUYS IN THE PORTAL! This isn't hard.

I heard a SEC coach recently talk about how they went hard in the portal. They found a guy who fits what they do well and helps their team on both sides of the ball. But the coach talked about how when they offered him that they gave him a couple of days to accept the offer because they said they had a 16 ppg scorer from New Mexico State that wanted to come and a 22 ppg scorer from LIU-Brooklyn that wanted to come and that if he didn't want to come they were moving on to the next player that they liked in the portal. I know D'Antoni went after the guy from Iowa State. But hell, there were so many talented and available players available that you should have had a list of 15-20 guys that you had to like. I don't understand how a guy that was on a NBA staff with his brother that can't use the portal properly. The NCAA Transfer Portal is just like the NBA's free agency market. Find guys that can fill needs on your roster.

The women's team used the portal. They found some things that could fit. Maybe that is why they are 5-1 in C-USA and the men are 0-5. I heard him interviewed this summer and he complained about the portal. He used this logic of how it was at Marshall in the late 60s. That is out of touch. Things change. We don't buy cars that use leaded gas now. We don't buy phones that you use a circular dial to phone someone. We don't put an antenna outside of our house to pick up some TV channels. The portal has changed things......either embrace it or find freshman that can step in and play immediately.

He needed to move some guys on his current roster to MEC or G-MAC schools. There is nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time. He then needed to pick up some players in the portal. He knew what he lost in West. He lost a top-notch defender who wasn't a great scorer but a guy who could give you 14-18 points per game. He was consistent for this program for years. You have to go to the portal and replace that need. He didn't do that. He shopped for these groceries, but now wants to use "well maybe we are young". This is crap on his part....and I am a guy that likes D'Antoni.

[miltonherdfan]

not only that, the 3 guys he lost:

1 never played, so you didn't really lose him

other 2, 2 yrs ago, you were planning on losing after last yr anyway (eligibility woulda ran out, normally)

so, he doesn't even have a good argument with losses in the portal, IMO

[coalherd]

Great post, jdonaccbus!  If I were inclined and had the time I'd go to each CUSA Team's sites and check their rosters.  Pretty sure it would reveal that a lot more teams in the League have added transfer players to their roster this season than those who didn't.  Danny hasn't added such players for 2 or 3 seasons now, probably not since Taylor transferred from Furman, as a regular transfer and not as a grad, etc.  Brown, I believe, a transfer from Vanderbilt, made a big difference for FIU tonight, double-double, as they killed the HERD on the boards.  Yet what did our bigs do?  Goran who has been with MU for 3 or 4 years did zilch, nada, and Byers, likewise a 3 or 4 year man, didn't even get in the game!!  Yet Danny cries "youth"!  But fans really see it as what it truly is:  RECRUITING FAILURES!!

[DC01HERD]

Complete failure by Dan and the coaching staff not using the portal. Dan should be trying to get quick fixes. He is in his 70's. The portal and jucos is what Marshall needs to be doing for next season.

[wasbarryb]

Coaching at any level is a what have you done for me today business.

Those saying the entire eight years of Dan was a mistake or a failure are wrong.  He took a program that was in disarray and produced the best year in my lifetime with the NCAA tournament win, he had another decent year with the CIT title though it could be argued that year should have been better.

BUT he has gone downhill since and shows very little sign of being able to turn things around this year or of having a management philosophy that is going to turn things around next year.

There were some who were against Dan well before the day he was announced as head coach.  I wasn?t one of those people. Those people are coming out of the woodwork to tear him down again.  I?ve been a fan of Dan D?Antoni since hearing my father listening to high school bball games on the radio prior to my father?s death which occurred in 1965, well before DD ever stepped onto the Marshall bball court as a player.  It pains me say this, but it is time to step away Dan D'Antoni, you?ve done well, you?ve contributed much, but it is time to make the sacrifice and step away.  If not, then MU needs to do what must be done and send you away.

[herd2win]

There is not a positive to point to for the future with this team.  We need a new coach who will poach the portal and get 2 impact guys and we can be respectable next year.  Can you even call DD a coach or is he just a watcher?  He doesn?t make any adjustments and has never been able to pick a rotation and stick with it the entire time he has been coach.

[svherd]

I am not gonna pile on. I appreciate Dan has done and always will. He gave us a great season in 2018. We?ve not capitalized on that and it?s likely time for him to retire. I don?t want him hanging on for another season or two trying to fix it, only to make it worse. Don?t tarnish his legacy.

And no current staff member should be considered for the next HC.

[RollingThunder80]

I am not gonna pile on. I appreciate Dan has done and always will. He gave us a great season in 2018. We?ve not capitalized on that and it?s likely time for him to retire. I don?t want him hanging on for another season or two trying to fix it, only to make it worse. Don?t tarnish his legacy.

And no current staff member should be considered for the next HC.

100% agree and especially with your last statement.  I dont think DD has the motor to stay up with the modern ncaa game that is now predicated on landing transfers and shoring up weaknesses in the roster. It is just time for a fresh start. 

[Garbanjo]

I am not gonna pile on. I appreciate Dan has done and always will. He gave us a great season in 2018. We?ve not capitalized on that and it?s likely time for him to retire. I don?t want him hanging on for another season or two trying to fix it, only to make it worse. Don?t tarnish his legacy.

And no current staff member should be considered for the next HC.

100%

[sardistim]

I am not gonna pile on. I appreciate Dan has done and always will. He gave us a great season in 2018. We?ve not capitalized on that and it?s likely time for him to retire. I don?t want him hanging on for another season or two trying to fix it, only to make it worse. Don?t tarnish his legacy.

And no current staff member should be considered for the next HC.

This is it for me.  Last season was a huge disappointment; this is a disaster.  The trend for D'Antoni is going in the wrong direction.  There is absolutely nothing on the horizon that suggests things will change.  He has been so great for the university--as a student, basketball player, as part of family name that brings acclaim to Marshall, as a head coach that took us to the 2nd round of the NCAAs--that it would be so painful to be even worse next year and having everyone saying terrible things about him.  I'm hoping he'll retire at the end of the season and we can all be grateful for his tenure.

And yes, the new AD should look way beyond the current group of assistants.

[Garbanjo]

This is it for me.  Last season was a huge disappointment; this is a disaster.  The trend for D'Antoni is going in the wrong direction.  There is absolutely nothing on the horizon that suggests things will change.  He has been so great for the university--as a student, basketball player, as part of family name that brings acclaim to Marshall, as a head coach that took us to the 2nd round of the NCAAs--that it would be so painful to be even worse next year and having everyone saying terrible things about him.  I'm hoping he'll retire at the end of the season and we can all be grateful for his tenure.

And yes, the new AD should look way beyond the current group of assistants.

It?s not gonna get better. Our roster is atrocious, particularly for the DD system (our guys can?t shoot and can?t dribble)

It?s over. I just hope DD retires so it doesn?t get ugly.

Anyone know if what John Brannen did at UC was that bad?

He would be great and needs to rehab his career

[cincymike]

It seems the biggest complaint about Brannen at UC was that he worked his kids too hard, mostly from the holdovers he inherited.  He did a masterful job at NKU building a program, which led to him getting the UC job.

He lost his dad, who he was very close to, during that final season at UC which might have had an impact.  I met him at a NKU golf event a few years ago and chatted a bit about MU.  I thought he was a class act!