Topic: Future of Marshall Hoops

[ThunderValley]

I think we should move on from hiring Marshall good ol boys and best friends.
 It seems to be harder to say no to these coaches that have stalled the programs.
Go with younger coaches that have some fire.

[SuperAnjario]

Greg Marshall would burn the SunBelt to the ground.  No brainer if you can work it out.  Grand slam. Give him a 5 year deal and we?re decent overnight and good after one season.   

Brannen would be solid, and he?s wanted our job before on at least one occasion.  Very realistic.

If neither of those guys, I?d hire the goofy guy from West Liberty to try to run the whacky offense.

I doubt Mike D is going to want the job, for too many reasons to list.

[Toro Toro Taxi]

Im thinking DD will still be the head bball coach next season but if hes not , look for MU to aim kinda high for the next coach . Listening to B Smith , I dont think hes going to be content with an average hire , hes wanting MU to gain some national ground , not settling for average . The names that have been mentioned here do nothing to push MU bball forward , its just the same names being mentioned over and over . I also dont think he will hire someone who might possibly put MU in a bad light ( GMarshall & Brannen ) or an unproven young coach (Hamilton). Whoever the new AD will be , look at who he/she is familiar with , that will more than likely be where a new coach comes from.

[Garbanjo]

Im thinking DD will still be the head bball coach next season but if hes not , look for MU to aim kinda high for the next coach . Listening to B Smith , I dont think hes going to be content with an average hire , hes wanting MU to gain some national ground , not settling for average . The names that have been mentioned here do nothing to push MU bball forward , its just the same names being mentioned over and over . I also dont think he will hire someone who might possibly put MU in a bad light ( GMarshall & Brannen ) or an unproven young coach (Hamilton). Whoever the new AD will be , look at who he/she is familiar with , that will more than likely be where a new coach comes from.

If DD is back with this roster you can rename the Cam as ?The Morgue?

Program will be DEAD

[Always THE HERD]

Greg Marshall would burn the SunBelt to the ground.  No brainer if you can work it out.  Grand slam. Give him a 5 year deal and we?re decent overnight and good after one season.   

Brannen would be solid, and he?s wanted our job before on at least one occasion.  Very realistic.

If neither of those guys, I?d hire the goofy guy from West Liberty to try to run the whacky offense.

I doubt Mike D is going to want the job, for too many reasons to list.

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I agree with you regarding Mike. At the time he was most likely considered.....he would have been foolish to have taken the job (monetarily wise). He would have been great!!!!! Now at this stage in his he could definitely take it and do a marvelous job.....but he & I are the same age.....things look different now.

[whf]

Guess I'm and outlier in this thread.
My wife and family have had great times in the CAM, only complaint is the bathrooms are small and the lines for concessions are long due to the size of the fazilities.

The floors is great, the new scoreboard is outstanding, the student end behind the basket is active now and our band is comparable to almost anyone in our level of basketball. 

The view of the court is excellent from anywhere.  We need improvement in facilities, but I'm not seeing much needed inside the actual arena.

As for Dan, let's not forget the hope he brought and the help he gave this university and its program.  To say it has all been a bust isn't, IMHO, being fair to him, the fans committed to him, or the university.  His teams won a lot more for a long time than in several decades. He's brought good kids here, and while they are suffering for wins now, they're still the same good kids.

I'm saddened by the losing streak, and I think the reason it exists is that a couple kids actually got their own wellbeing ahead of that of the team; but I have seen a bit of a correction in that and expect that they will eventually benefit from this terrible struggle.  Yet, being honest, I do see several departures via the portal because college sports has become a pathway, not a purpose, for many, many athletes.

We'll be watching and hoping regardless of where the results take us, and I'll stay positive about DD as he struggles to learn new things that could easily have been needing learned when a coach with no college experience was hired at this level.

[Always THE HERD]

Guess I'm and outlier in this thread.
My wife and family have had great times in the CAM, only complaint is the bathrooms are small and the lines for concessions are long due to the size of the fazilities.

The floors is great, the new scoreboard is outstanding, the student end behind the basket is active now and our band is comparable to almost anyone in our level of basketball. 

The view of the court is excellent from anywhere.  We need improvement in facilities, but I'm not seeing much needed inside the actual arena.

As for Dan, let's not forget the hope he brought and the help he gave this university and its program.  To say it has all been a bust isn't, IMHO, being fair to him, the fans committed to him, or the university.  His teams won a lot more for a long time than in several decades. He's brought good kids here, and while they are suffering for wins now, they're still the same good kids.

I'm saddened by the losing streak, and I think the reason it exists is that a couple kids actually got their own wellbeing ahead of that of the team; but I have seen a bit of a correction in that and expect that they will eventually benefit from this terrible struggle.  Yet, being honest, I do see several departures via the portal because college sports has become a pathway, not a purpose, for many, many athletes.

We'll be watching and hoping regardless of where the results take us, and I'll stay positive about DD as he struggles to learn new things that could easily have been needing learned when a coach with no college experience was hired at this level.

I would only change one part of your comments (I have not been to a live game in 5-6 years, due only to my wife's situation at this time). From my recliner I VERY much like viewing home teams who have their student section facing the camera. It gives off a much better appearance from a viewer standpoint (even if someone is just surfing looking for a live game); I also don't think the court is "eye candy" from the tv screen.

[SuperAnjario]

Im thinking DD will still be the head bball coach next season but if hes not , look for MU to aim kinda high for the next coach . Listening to B Smith , I dont think hes going to be content with an average hire , hes wanting MU to gain some national ground , not settling for average . The names that have been mentioned here do nothing to push MU bball forward , its just the same names being mentioned over and over . I also dont think he will hire someone who might possibly put MU in a bad light ( GMarshall & Brannen ) or an unproven young coach (Hamilton). Whoever the new AD will be , look at who he/she is familiar with , that will more than likely be where a new coach comes from.

These guys are super high end targets:

Greg Marshall is an elite coach.  Any argument otherwise is silly.

Brannen took NKU to the NCAA Tournament twice as a D1 startup. 

Their resumes are miles better than Dan?s.

[chris88]

If GM would come here for what we could offer him, he?s gotta be the hire.

GM has accomplished most of anyone mentioned at D1 level. If he is interested I would put him at top of list.

Things those coaches accused of are pretty regular occurrences across college BB. Not saying it is right but sometimes there are exaggerations. I can tell you of firsthand reports from people who worked/played for likes of Rick Petino, Chris Mack and others that are along lines of what those others were accused of.

[Garbanjo]

These guys are super high end targets:

Greg Marshall is an elite coach.  Any argument otherwise is silly.

Brannen took NKU to the NCAA Tournament twice as a D1 startup. 

Their resumes are miles better than Dan?s.

Gregg Marshall would be fantastic. Only reason we have a chance is because he will need to rehab his career if he wants to coach again and we can offer a quality spot to do that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Marshall

Same with John Brannen. He would be great as well and again, only reason we have a chance is because he needs to rehab his career

[HoPPy785]

Are we really advocating resurrecting our program with a coach that got fired and dragged through the media for physical and verbal abuse allegations? Sounds like a PR nightmare and not a good way to get things moving in the right direction.

[herdfan129]

He is who I wanted when we got Dan.

Same here? and he wanted the job.

[herdfan129]

Greg Marshall would burn the SunBelt to the ground.  No brainer if you can work it out.  Grand slam. Give him a 5 year deal and we?re decent overnight and good after one season.   

Brannen would be solid, and he?s wanted our job before on at least one occasion.  Very realistic.

If neither of those guys, I?d hire the goofy guy from West Liberty to try to run the whacky offense.

I doubt Mike D is going to want the job, for too many reasons to list.

I agree about Marshall, Brannen, and DD?. Not sure why you think West Liberty runs a whacky offense though. Have you watched them? There?s nothing whacky about it. They run exactly what DD said we were going to run but never have. Athletic ball with skilled players who can dribble and shoot at every position. Nothing whacky about that.

[Flat Tire 2]

Are any of you old enough to remember the last time we hired a lower division coach to head the basketball program?  It didn't work out well for Marshall. On the other hand  MU hired Carl Tacy as an assistant coach, he was previously the head coach at Ferrum.  Carl took MU to a AP top 10 ranking. Chuggy Bear started his college career at Walsh and then moved on to Akron and then up the coaching ladder. I guess you never know how it might work out when hire a coach.

We are all speculating since DD is still our coach.

[SuperAnjario]

Are we really advocating resurrecting our program with a coach that got fired and dragged through the media for physical and verbal abuse allegations? Sounds like a PR nightmare and not a good way to get things moving in the right direction.

Yes?go get proven winners.  Neither was sanctioned by the NCAA.  Marshall wasn?t even fired for cause.  Not sure about Brannen, but it sounds to me like there were 2 sides to the UC situation.  Out of fairness, I don?t know much else.

Both proven and winners.  No show-cause issues. 

If we don?t hire one of them, you can be damn sure otter teams are going to, and they are going to be happy they did.

This is no-brainer level easy if you can get either guy.

[Toro Toro Taxi]

These guys are super high end targets:

Greg Marshall is an elite coach.  Any argument otherwise is silly.

Brannen took NKU to the NCAA Tournament twice as a D1 startup. 

Their resumes are miles better than Dan?s.

I didnt say they werent good coaches , I said they might put MU in a bad light with their problems at schools that have let them go . I dont think BSmith is wanting to answer to questionable hires right out of the gate.

[Toro Toro Taxi]

If we don?t hire one of them, you can be damn sure otter teams are going to, and they are going to be happy they did.

This is no-brainer level easy if you can get either guy.

Niether one of those coaches have been mentioned for any openings across the country . Theres a reason for that

[herdfan129]

Are any of you old enough to remember the last time we hired a lower division coach to head the basketball program?  It didn't work out well for Marshall. On the other hand  MU hired Carl Tacy as an assistant coach, he was previously the head coach at Ferrum.  Carl took MU to a AP top 10 ranking. Chuggy Bear started his college career at Walsh and then moved on to Akron and then up the coaching ladder. I guess you never know how it might work out when hire a coach.

We are all speculating since DD is still our coach.

I thought Greg White was pretty good overall.

[Flat Tire 2]

I thought Greg White was pretty good overall.

I always wonder how it would have turned for out for Greg, if David West had played for MU. If I remember correctly, Greg had West committed to MU, but West's father wouldn't sign the LOI. West ended up going to Xavier and becoming a consensus All American and was a two time NBA All-star.

[goherd24]

Lmao? I don?t know what you base that on to be honest. I think Marshall would struggle with West Liberty or Fairmont either one. Their guards would eat us alive and their bigs are meaner than ours. I honestly think Marshall would be lucky to win either game. There?s a reason we always play Milligans and Bluefields instead of West Liberty or Fairmont.

It's a different level man. It just is, they struggle to beat wv state and others on that level. We had one common opponent, davis and elkins and while both teams throttled them, we beat then worse and played our bench most of the game.

They can gave fine individual players, and our basketball team is a dumpster fire right now, but it's a different level, I'm just trying to keep you from being delusional and planted in reality a bit. Lol

[herdfan129]

It's a different level man. It just is, they struggle to beat wv state and others on that level. We had one common opponent, davis and elkins and while both teams throttled them, we beat then worse and played our bench most of the game.

They can gave fine individual players, and our basketball team is a dumpster fire right now, but it's a different level, I'm just trying to keep you from being delusional and planted in reality a bit. Lol

You are delusional if you think Marshall current basketball team is on another level than the top D2 basketball programs.

[goherd24]

You are delusional if you think Marshall current basketball team is on another level than the top D2 basketball programs.

Hahahaha. I feel sorry for you man. Almost any division 1 team would destroy them. Have you even seen their schedule? Our only common opponent, we beat worse than they did, in davis and elkins and like I said, we did it with back ups in and rotating players the whole game. Theynbeat state by 2, daeman college by 2, lost to Notre dame.....college.

They struggle to beat wv state and similar teams by 2 etc. Our struggle is real right now but we would crush them by double digits, on their best day. 

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[herdfan129]

Hahahaha. I feel sorry for you man. Almost any division 1 team would destroy them. Have you even seen their schedule? Our only common opponent, we beat worse than they did, in davis and elkins and like I said, we did it with back ups in and rotating players the whole game. Theynbeat state by 2, daeman college by 2, lost to Notre dame.....college.

They struggle to beat wv state and similar teams by 2 etc. Our struggle is real right now but we would crush them by double digits, on their best day. 

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Continue living in your own fantasy world I suppose. Marshall would be another Top 10-15ish D2 team at best. Nothing special. Marshall would def compete for MEC championship but wouldn?t be surprised if we finished 3rd-4th either.

Our guards would get waxed by the top MEC guards the same way they do every other game.

Funny thing is, DD knows this too. That?s why he won?t play the top MEC teams. He only wants to play Milligan, Bluefield, D&E etc.

[DC01HERD]

Brannen would be a home run and Marshall would be a grand slam.

[MarshallSteve]

Brannen would be a home run and Marshall would be a grand slam.

Seriously? Those guys have a lot of baggage. Does people not realize how Brannen was treating players in Cincinnati?  Brannen will be lucky to ever find another job with the way he treated players there.

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