Topic: Future of Marshall Hoops

[whf]

Seriously? Those guys have a lot of baggage. Does people not realize how Brannen was treating players in Cincinnati?  Brannen will be lucky to ever find another job with the way he treated players there.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

Accused of treating players............   There are two side to this story in Cincy.  Those there when he got there versus those he brought in.  He pissed off a couple players and the AD. 

[Ovaltine Jenkins]

Are we really advocating resurrecting our program with a coach that got fired and dragged through the media for physical and verbal abuse allegations? Sounds like a PR nightmare and not a good way to get things moving in the right direction.

Agreed.  Some fans get enamored with retreads.  Neither Marshall or Brannen would be the answer to rebuild the Herd BB program.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/21/gregg-marshall-allegations-abusive-behavior-wichita-state

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2021/5/6/22423326/john-brannen-should-never-coach-again-basketball-cincinnati

[wlf]

I always wonder how it would have turned for out for Greg, if David West had played for MU. If I remember correctly, Greg had West committed to MU, but West's father wouldn't sign the LOI. West ended up going to Xavier and becoming a consensus All American and was a two time NBA All-star.

I agree. Greg was energized and could recruit without a budget. His coaching tree is hardly paralleled anywhere.
David West wasn?t the only one Greg lost that year. He also had Brandon Hunter . Both went on to have careers in the NBA. Greg got squeezed out at MU and sabotaged the recruiting year in question.

[svherd]

Agreed.  Some fans get enamored with retreads.  Neither Marshall or Brannen would be the answer to rebuild the Herd BB program.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/21/gregg-marshall-allegations-abusive-behavior-wichita-state

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2021/5/6/22423326/john-brannen-should-never-coach-again-basketball-cincinnati

Who will be the answer? Corny Jackson? Some unknown D1 assistant who has never been an HC? I don?t see the issue of giving someone another chance. We?ve done it with many athletes over the years and seem to take pride in that. Hopefully the new AD can make B?ball a priority and hire the right guy.

[SuperAnjario]

Agreed.  Some fans get enamored with retreads.  Neither Marshall or Brannen would be the answer to rebuild the Herd BB program.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/21/gregg-marshall-allegations-abusive-behavior-wichita-state

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2021/5/6/22423326/john-brannen-should-never-coach-again-basketball-cincinnati

Absurd take. 

[herdfan129]

Who will be the answer? Corny Jackson? Some unknown D1 assistant who has never been an HC? I don?t see the issue of giving someone another chance. We?ve done it with many athletes over the years and seem to take pride in that. Hopefully the new AD can make B?ball a priority and hire the right guy.

A proven winner from either the D2 level or proven winner from a lower level D1 school.

Hard no for everyone currently on staff.

[DC01HERD]

Greg Marshall is the opposite of a retread. Marshall built programs at Winthrop and Witchita St. He took Wichita State to the final four in 2013. Had a hell of a team in 2014. The guy has been a winner his entire career.

[Herd2believe]

2018 WSU team we beat in tourney had been top 10 all year til the very end of season.

[MUther]

I think you're a little high on west liberty and discounting our team. You realize we would crush them in a game right? Even as bad as we are now.

You realize that we should crush them?  They're in a lower division.  That doesn't mean anything.  That's like saying our football team would crush a pop warner team.  Duh.  I'm not advocating for this idea but if the guy's style and recruiting can be translated to D1, then we could be formidable.   Coaches we would beat at their current level move up all the time and create teams we couldn't touch at this level.  I'd rather start with a winning lower division coach than a never coached in college coach.  But that's just me, I guess.  That goes for football, too.

[herdfan129]

You realize that we should crush them?  They're in a lower division.  That doesn't mean anything.  That's like saying our football team would crush a pop warner team.  Duh.  I'm not advocating for this idea but if the guy's style and recruiting can be translated to D1, then we could be formidable.   Coaches we would beat at their current level move up all the time and create teams we couldn't touch at this level.  I'd rather start with a winning lower division coach than a never coached in college coach.  But that's just me, I guess.  That goes for football, too.

He?s correct Marshall SHOULD crush D2 teams but Marshall isn?t even an average D1 team and wouldn?t crush any of the top level D2 teams out there. In fact, we would be lucky to win against the top 10 D2 teams.

The only guys on our team who are ?on another level? are Obinna and Kinsey. That?s it. The rest are honestly average D2 players. Would you trade our current guards for Browning? I know I would. That?s the type of guards playing in the MEC every night. In fact, Elmore was most likely going to end up at either West Liberty or Fairmont if it wasn?t for Greg White calling DD for Elmore. West also would have ended up at either Fairmont or West Lib if DD wasn?t the coach at Marshall.

We only have two guys who would dominate at the D2 level. Our guards would get eaten alive and honestly aren?t as skilled (dribbling, shooting, passing) as the guards at Fairmont and West Liberty. That?s just a fact.

[miltonherdfan]

It?s been argued by many on here that most of our players are not D-I & our defense has been criticized ad nauseum. Then folks wanna act like 129 is crazy for his assertion?  We can?t shoot the basketball, I don?t know why it?s so crazy to think a 90+ PPG west lib would give us all kinds of probs. I?m pretty sure their coach is capable of drawing up a box-&-1, etc to neutralize the 1 or 2 D-I players we might have on the floor at any given time. I mean, considering none of our guys could hit a shot outside 15 ft to save their life, that shouldn?t be too tough.

[bbcard1]

You could always get Jirsa back for a couple of years while we get our %^&* together. He is really good in big games. I'm not really serious, but he is a good guy.

[wlf]

You could always get Jirsa back for a couple of years while we get our %^&* together. He is really good in big games. I'm not really serious, but he is a good guy.

He could coach. He couldn?t recruit.

[forphase1]

He could coach. He couldn?t recruit.

That would be a step up....I'm not sure DD can do either really...Our recruits haven't been very good, and guys certainly don't seem to improve much while they are here.

[MarshallSteve]

Agreed.  Some fans get enamored with retreads.  Neither Marshall or Brannen would be the answer to rebuild the Herd BB program.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/21/gregg-marshall-allegations-abusive-behavior-wichita-state

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2021/5/6/22423326/john-brannen-should-never-coach-again-basketball-cincinnati

Read that article on Brannen. Wow. Just wow.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

[Flat Tire 2]

I am not condoning anyone's behavior. Also, I take media reports with a grain of salt. If posters think Brannen or Greg were tough, they must be too young to remember Sonny Randle's first year or two at MU.

If the reports are true about the coaches, maybe they can learn from their actions. Redemption is possible for all people. I believe people can change.

[2xBison]

I take media reports with a grain of salt as well, especially when pushing a guy out.

I didn't realize Karen was writing articles now. 

[herdfifteen]

I am not condoning anyone's behavior. Also, I take media reports with a grain of salt. If posters think Brannen or Greg were tough, they must be too young to remember Sonny Randle's first year or two at MU.

If the reports are true about the coaches, maybe they can learn from their actions. Redemption is possible for all people. I believe people can change.

Was talking to a friend who is a Duke basketball fan who tried forever to get in to see a Duke practice. Once he got in to see one said he left after twenty minutes because he had never heard such harsh language  or as many four letter words uttered.

[miltonherdfan]

we're probably the only fanbase that fantasizes about hiring Brannen.  his name wouldn't even appear here if he wasn't an alum.  i mean, his team revolted on him in his 2nd yr at CIN.

marshall, if he made it public that he wanted back in coaching, we'd be 1 of several schools interested.

[whf]

we're probably the only fanbase that fantasizes about hiring Brannen.  his name wouldn't even appear here if he wasn't an alum.  i mean, his team revolted on him in his 2nd yr at CIN.

marshall, if he made it public that he wanted back in coaching, we'd be 1 of several schools interested.

As I've s aid before, "part" of his team revolted, part commended him for his fairness and open approach to letting everyone have a chance to play by hard work and practice, and attending to the rules of the program.

[MUonium]

I?m guessing these are basically the extent of scenarios about potential future coaches?

• Get a proven winner at a lower level who is the most affordable.
• Get a retread or a second chance coach similar to those being mentioned here- I think these would fit into the peer/standard-level salary category?
• Secure above peer-average money and get the best possible/available.  If history is any indicator, this likely won?t happen.

I think most of us agree that better/more overall program support would also be necessary to elevate and sustain the program, no matter who the coach is.  Once again, if history is any indicator, this also likely won?t happen.

[Buffalo Bop]

The new AD will have a an important decision to make with the direction he wants the basketball program to go in. Ticket sales will be a big factor.

[svherd]

If the school is committed to a good program, this can be a great job. An enthusiastic fan base who want a winner and who will attend in good numbers for a good team. We can certainly be a top or the top program in the Belt with the right coach and commitment. jmo.

[coalherd]

Was talking to a friend who is a Duke basketball fan who tried forever to get in to see a Duke practice. Once he got in to see one said he left after twenty minutes because he had never heard such harsh language  or as many four letter words uttered.

Not a surprise.  Watch any Duke game on TV.  Close ups of Coach K reveal, without having to be an expert lip reader, a torent of "F bombs", and no doubt other very salty language.  He is as big a POS hypocrite as there is in D1 College basketball.  The quicker Duke is eliminated in the NCAA tourney and this guy exits the stage, the better overall for college basketball!!

[Bigoherd]

As I've s aid before, "part" of his team revolted, part commended him for his fairness and open approach to letting everyone have a chance to play by hard work and practice, and attending to the rules of the program.

You are correct.  Part of the team (6 players) entered the transfer portal.  I assume some players exhausted their eligibility, and a few players were left who did neither (revolt or transfer or graduate). 
A head scratcher for sure why 6 players felt compelled to transfer.