Topic: Duquesne Favored Over Herd

[pembrook burrows III]

Betting line has Duquesne as a 1 point favorite (Duquesne -1) for Thursday's game.

[herdorbust2]

Going to be a test. They have some transfers. One is Tevin Brewer the hot shot guard that was at FIU last year and we also recruited before we signed Curfman.

[pembrook burrows III]

Transfer and leading scorer Dae Dae Grant was Miami-OH's best player last year.

[goherd24]

Tough game on the road for sure. Seem to be a solid team. Looking forward to it. We can beat them if we play well, but a C game will not do it.

[MicDrass1]

Herd should win this one.   Dukes are decent.

[ru4mu2]

Herd should win this one.   Dukes are decent.

Looking at their schedule and scores of the teams they've beaten, MU by +13

[svherd]

This game, UNCG and Toledo will be good and much needed tests for the guys. Eager to see how we play against our better OOC competition.

[pembrook burrows III]

Duquesne favored now at -1.5.

[Herdmeister]

I know of 6 of us that will be at the 2 game Pittsburgh swing

[chris88]

Two teams that have beaten nobody in top 100 should be interesting.  The thing about them is they shoot about 40% from 3-pt line. Other stats are pretty even (TO's, FT shooting etc).  The one area we have excelled in which they have struggled is rebounding.  Believe they were picked pretty low in A10. I believe this is first game in which MU is not favored and probably the last OOC in which we are. UNCG is not very good right now.

Robert Morris won at CMichigan last night but still have a losing record. They have some size but I only watched about 3 minutes of game. It is on ESPN+ on demand if you want to see them.

[herdorbust2]

Two teams that have beaten nobody in top 100 should be interesting.  The thing about them is they shoot about 40% from 3-pt line. Other stats are pretty even (TO's, FT shooting etc).  The one area we have excelled in which they have struggled is rebounding.  Believe they were picked pretty low in A10. I believe this is first game in which MU is not favored and probably the last OOC in which we are. UNCG is not very good right now.

Robert Morris won at CMichigan last night but still have a losing record. They have some size but I only watched about 3 minutes of game. It is on ESPN+ on demand if you want to see them.

UNCG may not be very good but somebody better tell that to #9 Arkansas. It took them about 35 minutes to finally get the lead and win by 7. And Duquesne will be a real battle on the road so we better be ready to play or we lose this one. I agree RM isn't good.

[Flat Tire 2]

FWIW: Duquesne was picked for last place in the Atlantic 10 Conference out of the 15 members.

https://atlantic10.com/news/2022/10/12/dayton-tops-atlantic-10-mens-basketball-poll-23-players-earn-preseason-honors.aspx

[herdorbust2]

Lots of people talking down our opponents to try and negate a win if we get it. And what some talking head picks a team to finish means nothing. Duquesne is 7-1 with 10 new players. That is all that matters.

[FilmJunky]

Great early December road test for the Herd in this one. Duquesne is a very solid team, and have a very very good coach in Keith Dambrot. Marshall will have to play 40 minutes of good basketball to win this one. This game will also be a nice test for the freshman.

Very similar teams as far as PPG scoring and defense. Herd seem to rebound it a little better. Marshall has the height advantage, and it looks like Duquesne has the muscle advantage. This game could carry some weight should there be a mid major at large bid (especially Marshall...I expect them to fair better in their conference than Duquesne)

As far as the line goes. Duquesne is favored solely because they are at home. If this was neutral site it would be a pick em'.

[chris88]

UNCG may not be very good but somebody better tell that to #9 Arkansas. It took them about 35 minutes to finally get the lead and win by 7. And Duquesne will be a real battle on the road so we better be ready to play or we lose this one. I agree RM isn't good.

Well OU or Akron blew out WKY but that didn't seem to carry over.  Good teams take below average teams lightly all the time. Any team playing at home is dangerous but we'll be favored at UNCG. All that said, a win tonight would be our best imo....for what it's worth.

[herdorbust2]

Well OU or Akron blew out WKY but that didn't seem to carry over.  Good teams take below average teams lightly all the time. Any team playing at home is dangerous but we'll be favored at UNCG. All that said, a win tonight would be our best imo....for what it's worth.

True but I was just stating a fact. Some of our own fans are trying to diminish anything we do so I just stated a fact about #9 Arkansas needed everything they had to beat UNCG on their home floor. We will be playing them away so it shouldn't be a cupcake. And maybe Akron didn't carry over from WKU because we were just that much better? Just don't understand why our own fans try and diminish our opponent or our wins?

[chris88]

True but I was just stating a fact. Some of our own fans are trying to diminish anything we do so I just stated a fact about #9 Arkansas needed everything they had to beat UNCG on their home floor. We will be playing them away so it shouldn't be a cupcake. And maybe Akron didn't carry over from WKU because we were just that much better? Just don't understand why our own fans try and diminish our opponent or our wins?

Maybe because we have to speculate about how good our team actually is because we haven't really played anyone who is really a measuring stick. I've enjoyed watching this team play and think the potential is certainly there to win the SB.  How that equates to the national scene i'm not sure.  That will work itself out over time. But most fans, I believe, would have liked to see how the team measures up against more good teams. It's silly to me to compare what some of our opponents have done vs better competition but at the same time see no use in playing that type of competition ourselves.

[herdfan93]

After further review I think we win by 6.

[herd2win]

There doesn't appear to be any team on our schedule that we cannot compete with.  I have been critical of Danny because he had a 500 record over 8 years and I did not see any coaching or discipline with the team.

I see a coach that got hit in the face with a terrible season and he changed as a coach.  He went from playing too many players to sticking with a core group of players, calls timeouts when the opponent goes on a run, the team plays better defense, and we do not shoot as many bad 3s with no chance for a rebound.

10 games in and I am optimistic we can win the SB.

[herdorbust2]

Maybe because we have to speculate about how good our team actually is because we haven't really played anyone who is really a measuring stick. I've enjoyed watching this team play and think the potential is certainly there to win the SB.  How that equates to the national scene i'm not sure.  That will work itself out over time. But most fans, I believe, would have liked to see how the team measures up against more good teams. It's silly to me to compare what some of our opponents have done vs better competition but at the same time see no use in playing that type of competition ourselves.

I think the Mac schools give us a very good idea up to this point. One game isn't comparable but when you add them all it it gives you a very good idea. Akron destroyed a WKU team we know very well that has their entire team back. And we beat Akron handily. OU is always another mac team that is always in the top 4-5 in the mac that took Michigan to OT at Ann Arbor and we totally dismantled them and was up most of the game around 25. Miami O isn't one of the best Mac teams but to go on the road and totally destroy them on their floor was impressive. My point is people try and put these schools down before we play then to negate a victory. Someone just posted Duquesne was picked last in their conference. Big deal, they are 7-1 and looks like those picking didn't know their ass from a hole. Some would rather be right about their disparaging remarks toward basketball than just give the team credit for what they have done. I have no idea what will happen tonight. But if we come to play and lay it all out there we win. If not we lose.

[Flat Tire 2]

Interesting, it seem that  some posters seem to have a problem with posting preseason conference predictions? It is just factual information, not a conspiracy theory. I guess some poster are just woke and don't want information posted that differs form their agenda? 

[herdorbust2]

Interesting, it seem that  some posters seem to have a problem with posting preseason conference predictions? It is just factual information, not a conspiracy theory. I guess some poster are just woke and don't want information posted that differs form their agenda?

Not a problem at all but why post it the day of the game? To try and diminish Duquesne so if we win all we can hear is we didn't beat anybody? They are 7-1 in reality. Polls are guesses!!! Agenda? Lol!!!! I say there is an agenda all right with a few of you!!!

[Flat Tire 2]

Not a problem at all but why post it the day of the game?  To try and diminish Duquesne so if we win all we can hear is we didn't beat anybody? They are 7-1 in reality. Polls are guesses!!! Agenda? Lol!!!! I say there is an agenda all right with a few of you!!!

I posted it the day of the game because we are playing them today. Have you ever purchased a program at the game? It usually has information on the opponent you are playing that day. It is just background information. for the causal fan.  Don't be woke and be afraid of a viewpoint that doesn't fit your agenda or narrative. Let's see where the Dukes finish up for the year? That is why SOS is listed for teams.

[banker]

I think the Mac schools give us a very good idea up to this point. One game isn't comparable but when you add them all it it gives you a very good idea. Akron destroyed a WKU team we know very well that has their entire team back. And we beat Akron handily. OU is always another mac team that is always in the top 4-5 in the mac that took Michigan to OT at Ann Arbor and we totally dismantled them and was up most of the game around 25. Miami O isn't one of the best Mac teams but to go on the road and totally destroy them on their floor was impressive. My point is people try and put these schools down before we play then to negate a victory. Someone just posted Duquesne was picked last in their conference. Big deal, they are 7-1 and looks like those picking didn't know their ass from a hole. Some would rather be right about their disparaging remarks toward basketball than just give the team credit for what they have done. I have no idea what will happen tonight. But if we come to play and lay it all out there we win. If not we lose.

The issue is that you have to play the transitive property game to try and establish if we are really good or not. You know basketball often comes down to how styles and strengths match up, so saying well so and so played X well means we are good because we beat so and so easily.   Of course X could play a style we have real issues with and they could run us off the court.

I'm glad we're winning but all we know is that we have been better then 7 out of the 8 teams we played on the night we played them.   We also know that none of those teams have wins of high majors of note. Given that, we can conclude we are a pretty decent mid-major at this point, but may never know our ceiling unless we make the tournament.

[herdorbust2]

The issue is that you have to play the transitive property game to try and establish if we are really good or not. You know basketball often comes down to how styles and strengths match up, so saying well so and so played X well means we are good because we beat so and so easily.   Of course X could play a style we have real issues with and they could run us off the court.

I'm glad we're winning but all we know is that we have been better then 7 out of the 8 teams we played on the night we played them.   We also know that none of those teams have wins of high majors of note. Given that, we can conclude we are a pretty decent mid-major at this point, but may never know our ceiling unless we make the tournament.

Agree but patterns over time matter. Some say you can't compare scores always and I agree. But then those same people would take one game against let's say a Baylor, and if we lost by 15 they would never compare contrasts of style or maybe we had an off night. All we would hear is see, we didn't belong. So, we won't take many different scenarios like us beating Miami Oh worse than Indiana or we beat Ohio U most of the game by 25+ and they took Michigan to OT. Or Akron beat WKU with all their team back by 19 and we beat Akron by double digits. And more examples than that. But we would guarantee it would tell us everything if we played one P5? Please!!! Even if we beat a Indiana by 10 doesn't mean we are better. It means we win by ten that night just like if we lost it was one game. Why can't people just give their team credit for doing what they have done instead of trying to find excuses all these games are a fluke?