Topic: Handlogten

[herdorbust2]

I without any inside knowledge or ever speaking with the kid would say it is more than 50/50 he will not be playing for the Herd next season.  It is just the way of the world today.  Say WVU or Kansas offer him an NIL deal for $250k...he will be gone.

You may be right. But what I do know, I expect him to be back with both Conner and Fricks. We know Curfman will be here because he already used his one time transfer. I also expect Oak back. Imo the question is Andrew? Hopefully he is.

[herdorbust2]

He would be better off in the long run to stay here where can be properly developed for the NBA. If he sticks with DD and he works hard, then he will be a 1st Rd Draft pick and make millions of dollars for years to come.

This is imo so true. But will a young kid be that mature to see that? Jon was and so was Kinsey. Plus they have left a legacy that will stand forever at Marshall.

[MUther]

There is zero track record of DD developing anyone into an NBA caliber player or getting anyone into the NBA at all.  If such a thing does occur then they already had that potential, as in the case of Kinsey who was hindered for 2+ years by coaching ineptitude rather than "developed."  He was misused to the point of being ineffective.  Glad Handlogten is 7' tall.  Makes it much harder to use him poorly.

[herd247]

NIL is here regardless of how anyone feels about it.  Marshall won't ever be able to compete w/ the P5 NIL and that's okay, but it definitely needs to get going on this.  The reality is that schools do and will continue to offer money to these guys to play.  Kinsey put on his social media this past summer that he shouldn't have to struggle for money to just stay in town during the summer....I agree and NIL deals could ease this stress on him and unfortunately it's too late to fix this now.  But, with your 2 new freshmen (Handlogten and Conner), they will both be approached to go elsewhere and schools will offer to pay them.  Loyalty is great but if someone offered you $50k-$250k or more to join them as a college student, that would be hard to pass up....especially with Coach Dan being on last year of his contract and the unknown of what's next.

[wasbarryb]

You may be right. But what I do know, I expect him to be back with both Conner and Fricks. We know Curfman will be here because he already used his one time transfer. I also expect Oak back. Imo the question is Andrew? Hopefully he is.

Didn't Taylor transfer in here?  Does he get a second shot to transfer?

[herdorbust2]

There is zero track record of DD developing anyone into an NBA caliber player or getting anyone into the NBA at all.  If such a thing does occur then they already had that potential, as in the case of Kinsey who was hindered for 2+ years by coaching ineptitude rather than "developed."  He was misused to the point of being ineffective.  Glad Handlogten is 7' tall.  Makes it much harder to use him poorly.

You sure don't hide your dislike for the guy do you? Must be sad to be so miserable at 9-1.

[herdorbust2]

Didn't Taylor transfer in here?  Does he get a second shot to transfer?

That was before the rule. And what if he wanted to go overseas to play?

[herdorbust2]

NIL is here regardless of how anyone feels about it.  Marshall won't ever be able to compete w/ the P5 NIL and that's okay, but it definitely needs to get going on this.  The reality is that schools do and will continue to offer money to these guys to play.  Kinsey put on his social media this past summer that he shouldn't have to struggle for money to just stay in town during the summer....I agree and NIL deals could ease this stress on him and unfortunately it's too late to fix this now.  But, with your 2 new freshmen (Handlogten and Conner), they will both be approached to go elsewhere and schools will offer to pay them.  Loyalty is great but if someone offered you $50k-$250k or more to join them as a college student, that would be hard to pass up....especially with Coach Dan being on last year of his contract and the unknown of what's next.

Yes 250k would be hard to pass up but I doubt he gets that kind of offer after this year. Now if he blows up next year and gets even stronger then it's very likely.

[herdfan129]

This is also why Marshall needs to go all in on basketball. We can?t afford to compete for NIL in both major sports, and it?s much cheaper and easier to compete with the bigger schools in basketball.

I love football and have always been football first, but in this day and age, we need to focus on basketball.

[ru4mu2]

You may be right. But what I do know, I expect him to be back with both Conner and Fricks. We know Curfman will be here because he already used his one time transfer. I also expect Oak back. Imo the question is Andrew? Hopefully he is.

What is the rule?  Is it a basketball only rule?  I only ask because how did we get Columbi?  Saw JT Daniels is in the portal.  It will be his 4th school coming up.  How does the one time transfer work?

[svherd]

This is also why Marshall needs to go all in on basketball. We can?t afford to compete for NIL in both major sports, and it?s much cheaper and easier to compete with the bigger schools in basketball.

I love football and have always been football first, but in this day and age, we need to focus on basketball.

Not sure if we can compete day in and day out with the big boys in either sport. I support all MU sports but the reality is, we will never be able to go toe to toe with the big boys in football or b'ball. Too much stacked against us. Too much money, NCAA bias, media bias, location, etc.
I do think we can shock the world once in a while,. like we did at ND. Frankly not sure we could do that playing Duke or UK in basketball.
I am thankful that we have become a national power in men's soccer and proven we can compete yearly at the highest level. Maybe we need to be like Stanford and push our minor sports a bit more.

[herd2win]

Not sure if we can compete day in and day out with the big boys in either sport. I support all MU sports but the reality is, we will never be able to go toe to toe with the big boys in football or b'ball. Too much stacked against us. Too much money, NCAA bias, media bias, location, etc.
I do think we can shock the world once in a while,. like we did at ND. Frankly not sure we could do that playing Duke or UK in basketball.
I am thankful that we have become a national power in men's soccer and proven we can compete yearly at the highest level. Maybe we need to be like Stanford and push our minor sports a bit more.

Problem there is even if great it does not generate revenue or even recognition.  I bet 8 out of 10 "sports" fans could not tell you Syracuse win the Mens Soccer national championship.  Same goes for volleyball , tennis, swimming etc.  We could have had a losing record in football but the win at ND gave us more pub than a conference championship.  Look at how much mileage App St still gets for beating Michigan over 10 years ago.

[Flat Tire 2]

Not sure if we can compete day in and day out with the big boys in either sport. I support all MU sports but the reality is, we will never be able to go toe to toe with the big boys in football or b'ball. Too much stacked against us. Too much money, NCAA bias, media bias, location, etc.
I do think we can shock the world once in a while,. like we did at ND. Frankly not sure we could do that playing Duke or UK in basketball.
I am thankful that we have become a national power in men's soccer and proven we can compete yearly at the highest level. Maybe we need to be like Stanford and push our minor sports a bit more.

Even wvu balked at this player and they have a lot more money to throw at players than us.

One SEC transfer wanted $700k from WVU as a starting point.
https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Article/One-SEC-transfer-wanted-700k-from-WVU-as-a-starting-point-199279118/

[herdorbust2]

Problem there is even if great it does not generate revenue or even recognition.  I bet 8 out of 10 "sports" fans could not tell you Syracuse win the Mens Soccer national championship.  Same goes for volleyball , tennis, swimming etc.  We could have had a losing record in football but the win at ND gave us more pub than a conference championship.  Look at how much mileage App St still gets for beating Michigan over 10 years ago.

Agree 100%. Very few people know or even care who won the soccer championship. Honestly other than this board I have never heard one person say a word about Marshall soccer. I work at a hospital and hear people mention football or basketball off and on all the time. And not once have I heard Marshall soccer mentioned.

[2xBison]

Didn't Taylor transfer in here?  Does he get a second shot to transfer?

I'm assuming he could now be a graduate transfer without sitting out.


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[Herdmeister]

What is the rule?  Is it a basketball only rule?  I only ask because how did we get Columbi?  Saw JT Daniels is in the portal.  It will be his 4th school coming up.  How does the one time transfer work?

You can only transfer via the portal 1 time giving you immediate eligibility at the new school. To transfer a second time would mean you need to sit a year.
As I understand the exception is as a graduate transfer. I assume the wvu QB is using that. He came to wvu and was able to play immediately. Now he has graduated he can transfer again.

[Herdmeister]

Didn't Taylor transfer in here?  Does he get a second shot to transfer?

He had to sit for a year when he came here from Furman.
In talking to his family I would be shocked that he plays anywhere but at Marshall next year

[2xBison]

There is zero track record of DD developing anyone into an NBA caliber player or getting anyone into the NBA at all.  If such a thing does occur then they already had that potential, as in the case of Kinsey who was hindered for 2+ years by coaching ineptitude rather than "developed."  He was misused to the point of being ineffective.  Glad Handlogten is 7' tall.  Makes it much harder to use him poorly.

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[chris88]

Then we may as well give up on wanting good teams and keeping a good team. If we don't make an attempt at NIL like everyone else. Or just give up.

I disagree. I think their are still enough level headed parents out there who can look at the situation and realize that it's not ALL about the money. You can be honest with any recruit and tell them this is our NIL model and what it can and cannot do for you. Of course every once in a while there will be a circumstance where it makes sense for a guy to leave.  If a player and his parents give me the vibe as a coach that it's all about the indy and the money than that would dissuade me from recruiting them. Also remember the big schools are often just looking for depth.  Doesn't mean the kid is going to be a prime player in their system.  The kid, in that situation, is not likely to be the primary focus of that program. There is also a big difference in making sure Kinsey cam stay the summer vs offering a kid 50-100k+

Kane left and it worked out but that was before portal and he never played in NBA. Peneva left early and that didn't work out too well.  Others who left had mixed results.  I don't think that changes. Lastly, many of my best friends are from MU, many of these kids are foregoing lifelong friendships to chase a ghost IMO.  Programs can do what they want but I won't be contributing to the bribery scheme.

[herdorbust2]

I disagree. I think their are still enough level headed parents out there who can look at the situation and realize that it's not ALL about the money. You can be honest with any recruit and tell them this is our NIL model and what it can and cannot do for you. Of course every once in a while there will be a circumstance where it makes sense for a guy to leave.  If a player and his parents give me the vibe as a coach that it's all about the indy and the money than that would dissuade me from recruiting them. Also remember the big schools are often just looking for depth.  Doesn't mean the kid is going to be a prime player in their system.  The kid, in that situation, is not likely to be the primary focus of that program. There is also a big difference in making sure Kinsey cam stay the summer vs offering a kid 50-100k+

Kane left and it worked out but that was before portal and he never played in NBA. Peneva left early and that didn't work out too well.  Others who left had mixed results.  I don't think that changes. Lastly, many of my best friends are from MU, many of these kids are foregoing lifelong friendships to chase a ghost IMO.  Programs can do what they want but I won't be contributing to the bribery scheme.

Well for the most part that is what Danny does now. That is why he doesn't lose many. But my point is we have enough business and people willing to pony up that we can keep some of our better players to a point. No we can't match a 100-250k but what if another high mid majors comes along and offers 25 grand and a car? Do we just let a Handlogton or Conner type player go without something? I don't think so.

[herd2win]

We came up with a Mercedes for Ali.  That is an example of the dangers of where we are with this.  Huff put together NIL for him and then we got no production.  Be careful of what you ask for because universities are going to demand production and wins or scholarships are going to start to be pulled.

Can't be a one way street in favor of the players.

[herdorbust2]

We came up with a Mercedes for Ali.  That is an example of the dangers of where we are with this.  Huff put together NIL for him and then we got no production.  Be careful of what you ask for because universities are going to demand production and wins or scholarships are going to start to be pulled.

Can't be a one way street in favor of the players.

Well if this is going to be the landscape of college sports and you do nothing to compete for players then good luck. I'm going to see how this works out but if we start losing all our good players then I'll just move on to other things in life. Marshall sports would no longer be fun for me.

[herd2win]

Well if this is going to be the landscape of college sports and you do nothing to compete for players then good luck. I'm going to see how this works out but if we start losing all our good players then I'll just move on to other things in life. Marshall sports would no longer be fun for me.

I think we have to do NIL.  I am just saying to all these kids who had a guaranteed 5 years of college with food and a place to live, the future will likely be true 1 year scholarships and if they don't play well then it will be gone.  It should be easier for basketball as we have fewer players.  Get the key guys a car and some amount of money. 

[Garbanjo]

Agree 100%. Very few people know or even care who won the soccer championship. Honestly other than this board I have never heard one person say a word about Marshall soccer. I work at a hospital and hear people mention football or basketball off and on all the time. And not once have I heard Marshall soccer mentioned.

We get it you don't like soccer and we don't care what you think.

Those of us with brains and vision can see the future and know soccer will only build from here over the next 20 years. We are already a National power and we will continue to cultivate and grow the program.

[elginherd]

I think we have to do NIL.  I am just saying to all these kids who had a guaranteed 5 years of college with food and a place to live, the future will likely be true 1 year scholarships and if they don't play well then it will be gone.  It should be easier for basketball as we have fewer players. Get the key guys a car and some amount of money.

That statement is incorrect.
All the athletic scholarships are year-to-year. They are not guaranteed. That issue did come up in court cases that led to the curent NIL situation---that the institutions were only on the hook for one year while the athletes were subject to the whims of those institutions about where & when they could seek a new school.