Topic: What we know after RMU

[herdorbust2]

I also agree with poor offense and sloppy play.  With that said, I have watched Marshall BB for 50 years and this team is one of, or is the best defensive team I can remember!!
 

No doubt. It's shocking what difference 3 long athletic freshman that actually moves their feet can do. We have seen absolute awful defense in the paint for years. But these 3 guys have made a huge difference. When they are out away from the basket they don't go for pump fakes or cross overs. They keep their feet on the floor and play defense. The guys in the past left their feet on everything and got burnt. Defense has been amazing. Just very dissapointed how sloppy the offense was last night. Danny should have called a few timeouts and ripped some tail for the lackadaisical play. You simply can't allow that to happen over and over every time down the court. And you can't just wait till the next practice to try and correct it. Saying that, 9-1 is great and hoping a better offense shows up Tuesday.

[whf]

Outlier again, I guess.  I thought that the team did quite well in what became a very chaotic game, a lot of interruption from the refs, a different set of substitutions (pattern was different), and against a team playing at home for the first time in a couple weeks.

We got as sloppy as the game itself, and I've seen that happen many times a year with DD teams.  I always felt that we were in total control, and that we could have added 10 more with a reshaping of the offense in the last 9 minutes; we apparently chose not to.

I've decided that DD likes to test the water at times when he thinks he has the game won; and we know that playing the youngest of the young backfired at the end against Queens. But that decision probably has won us two or three extra games this year. I'm confident that whatever he initiated, or allowed, last night will do the same down the stretch.

But I must also admit I had to watch the game "on demand", so perhaps if I'd seen it in real time I'd have a different opinion.

[MUonium]

announcers said, more or less, Kinsey's stats sneak up on you.  it's true.  sometimes, it's like i'm watching the rest of the game in regular-time but it's as if Kinsey plays in slow motion.  maybe that's the perceived smoothness or the fact that he dribbles a lot at times.

i feel like he'd be more NBA ready if he'd have worked on ball handling, controlling his lower body better when he shoots, and not hesitating/faking when it looks as if he has a great chance to drive directly to the basket from the top of the key (he may not be confident in his first step/burst so he needed to work on that too).  but his scoring, rebounds, assists and steals speak for themselves.

[The E-Man]

announcers said, more or less, Kinsey's stats sneak up on you.  it's true.  sometimes, it's like i'm watching the rest of the game in regular-time but it's as if Kinsey plays in slow motion.  maybe that's the perceived smoothness or the fact that he dribbles a lot at times.

i feel like he'd be more NBA ready if he'd have worked on ball handling, controlling his lower body better when he shoots, and not hesitating/faking when it looks as if he has a great chance to drive directly to the basket from the top of the key (he may not be confident in his first step/burst so he needed to work on that too).  but his scoring, rebounds, assists and steals speak for themselves.

Kinsey is playing lights out! I was worried the first game, I thought Kinsey was going to be a let down again this season. You can see his confidence grow every game.

[MicDrass1]

Kinsey is letting the game come to him like he did his first 3 years

Two years ago was his best year to date but this year could end up better.  Showing a better all around game. 

Kinsey?s career stats

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/taevion-kinsey-1.html

[herdorbust2]

A guy not talked about much is Curfman. He is showing his overall game more and more. He plays very solid D and handles the ball pretty good. He has also hit some clutch 3's toward the end of a few different games when teams were trying to make a run. If this team can just clean up a few minor things it can be really really good. A few things that come to mind.
1. Oak focusing more on being tougher, rebounding and finishing around the basket.
2. Getting Curfman 2-3 more open squared up looks from 3.
3. Remember to keep the ball moving. Nobody should have the ball in their hands over about 1.5 seconds unless they are driving to the hole.
4. When we are up by a comfortable margin under 7 minutes look for a good shot and don't take a shot without passing the ball at least 3-4 times unless you have a layup.
5. Just keep getting Conner and Fricks more comfortable and consistant. Good consistant production from those 2 every night could put us on another level.

[Garbanjo]

A guy not talked about much is Curfman. He is showing his overall game more and more. He plays very solid D and handles the ball pretty good. He has also hit some clutch 3's toward the end of a few different games when teams were trying to make a run. If this team can just clean up a few minor things it can be really really good. A few things that come to mind.
1. Oak focusing more on being tougher, rebounding and finishing around the basket.
2. Getting Curfman 2-3 more open squared up looks from 3.
3. Remember to keep the ball moving. Nobody should have the ball in their hands over about 1.5 seconds unless they are driving to the hole.
4. When we are up by a comfortable margin under 7 minutes look for a good shot and don't take a shot without passing the ball at least 3-4 times unless you have a layup.
5. Just keep getting Conner and Fricks more comfortable and consistant. Good consistant production from those 2 every night could put us on another level.

DD needs to figure out how to use Early 5-10 minutes a game

We need the depth at guard imo and Braun ain't the answer

Go Herd!

[elginherd]

I thought Taylor getting called for those traveling violations might have gotten into his head. He also nearly fouled out.

I wonder if RMU's HC had seen something on tape with Andrew's footwork before he dribbles & alerted the officials about it.
RMU got called a few times for the same thing.

Whatever, AT & DD need to do some self-scouting to see if those walking calls were legit or not.

If Strpshirt reads this thread he might give some valuable insight about this.

[parshall2marshall]

Outlier again, I guess.  I thought that the team did quite well in what became a very chaotic game, a lot of interruption from the refs, a different set of substitutions (pattern was different), and against a team playing at home for the first time in a couple weeks.

We got as sloppy as the game itself, and I've seen that happen many times a year with DD teams.  I always felt that we were in total control, and that we could have added 10 more with a reshaping of the offense in the last 9 minutes; we apparently chose not to.

I've decided that DD likes to test the water at times when he thinks he has the game won; and we know that playing the youngest of the young backfired at the end against Queens. But that decision probably has won us two or three extra games this year. I'm confident that whatever he initiated, or allowed, last night will do the same down the stretch.

Yep, it is a lot different out look when you already know the outcome. And watching the replay I find that I can focus on details a lot more.

But I must also admit I had to watch the game "on demand", so perhaps if I'd seen it in real time I'd have a different opinion.

[herdorbust2]

I wonder if RMU's HC had seen something on tape with Andrew's footwork before he dribbles & alerted the officials about it.
RMU got called a few times for the same thing.

Whatever, AT & DD need to do some self-scouting to see if those walking calls were legit or not.

If Strpshirt reads this thread he might give some valuable insight about this.

They looked like legit traveling calls to me.

[The E-Man]

They looked like legit traveling calls to me.

They weren't legit calls, because a lot of officials in different leagues are allowing the Euro steps to the hoops. In fact, those officials remind of CUSA's, they made terrible calls against us. This is why we need to keep our foot on the pedal and don't let up.

[herdorbust2]

They weren't legit calls, because a lot of officials in different leagues are allowing the Euro steps to the hoops. In fact, those officials remind of CUSA's, they made terrible calls against us. This is why we need to keep our foot on the pedal and don't let up.

When you pick up one foot with a quick jab step and the lead with the other foot before dribbling it's a walk. And that is exactly what he did.

[Stripeshrt]

A guy not talked about much is Curfman. He is showing his overall game more and more. He plays very solid D and handles the ball pretty good. He has also hit some clutch 3's toward the end of a few different games when teams were trying to make a run. If this team can just clean up a few minor things it can be really really good. A few things that come to mind.
1. Oak focusing more on being tougher, rebounding and finishing around the basket.
2. Getting Curfman 2-3 more open squared up looks from 3.
3. Remember to keep the ball moving. Nobody should have the ball in their hands over about 1.5 seconds unless they are driving to the hole.
4. When we are up by a comfortable margin under 7 minutes look for a good shot and don't take a shot without passing the ball at least 3-4 times unless you have a layup.
5. Just keep getting Conner and Fricks more comfortable and consistant. Good consistant production from those 2 every night could put us on another level.

Maybe one of your best ever posts and no animosity or cheap shots. I salute you.

[2xBison]

A guy not talked about much is Curfman. He is showing his overall game more and more. He plays very solid D and handles the ball pretty good. He has also hit some clutch 3's toward the end of a few different games when teams were trying to make a run. If this team can just clean up a few minor things it can be really really good. A few things that come to mind.
1. Oak focusing more on being tougher, rebounding and finishing around the basket.
2. Getting Curfman 2-3 more open squared up looks from 3.
3. Remember to keep the ball moving. Nobody should have the ball in their hands over about 1.5 seconds unless they are driving to the hole.
4. When we are up by a comfortable margin under 7 minutes look for a good shot and don't take a shot without passing the ball at least 3-4 times unless you have a layup.
5. Just keep getting Conner and Fricks more comfortable and consistant. Good consistant production from those 2 every night could put us on another level.

Kurfman is >41% from three now.

TK and Taylor have solid 3 % as well.

Improve the FT shooting..mainly Fricks and Handlogton.  They have good enough strokes and coordination to shoot much better.

All in all...team looks really good and can play/shoot better IMO


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[herdorbust2]

Kurfman is >41% from three now.

TK and Taylor have solid 3 % as well.

Improve the FT shooting..mainly Fricks and Handlogton.  They have good enough strokes and coordination to shoot much better.

All in all...team looks really good and can play/shoot better IMO


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Agree. And that is why I would like to see a couple set Plays to get Curfman a couple more squared up open looks. When he is squared up he can flat out shoot the ball.

[Stripeshrt]

I thought the traveling calls were correct. It wasnt about the Euro step (which btw requires great patience to view the whole basketball move or else you immediately put air to the whistle and call traveling), Taylor seems to not trust his first burst step and so he looks to prepare his feet. Andrew got called 4 times I think and I agree, I think it got in his head. He disappeared for some parts of the second half and when he reappeared, it resulted in forcing an ill-advised shot or poor decision IMO.

I thought some of the moving screen/pick calls were tic tac. The problem with those calls, once you make a "brush" a moving pick call then to stay consistant you have to keep calling them when the intent of the rule is "your actions" .i.e body.  is knocking the defender or prohibiting the defender on his path. I also agree with the statement that different leagues call them different ways. I can assure you, if those were MAC officials, I doubt you would seen the moving screen called.

[elginherd]

I thought the traveling calls were correct. It wasnt about the Euro step (which requires great patience to view the whole basketball move), Taylor seems to not trust his first burst step and so he looks to prepare his feet. Andrew got called 4 times I think and I agree, I think it got in his head. He disappeared for some parts of the second half and when he reappeared, it resulted in forcing an ill-advised shot or poor decision IMO.

I thought some of the moving screen/pick calls were tic tac. The problem with those calls, once you make a "brush" a moving pick then to stay consistant you have to keep calling them when the intent of the rule is "your actions" .i.e body.  is knocking the defender or prohibiting the defender on his path. I also agree with the statement that different leagues call them different ways. I can assure you, if those were MAC officials, I doubt you would seen the moving screen called.

Thanks.
Andrew has probably been getting away with this all season.

AFA legal picks go, Micah did have his leg stuck out, probably a legit foul. Also, if the screener dives to the basket or pops out the moment the defender is bushing against him, then it's probably going to draw the refs' attention.

[Stripeshrt]

Its funny you brought the one Micah got called for, while thinking about what i wished to post originally, thats the one i thought at the time Danny would go bonkers on but his knee was the culprit. If you officiate with an "advantage/disadvantage" theory, as an official, i would want to see clear body contact that provided an "advantage/ disadvantage, not a tap or a brush.

[jdonaccbus]

I don't know how much of you follow Lunardi's bracketology. I like to read it just for interest.

Right now he has JMU taking on Maryland in a 4-13 matchup.

[yogiherd]

Its funny you brought the one Micah got called for, while thinking about what i wished to post originally, thats the one i thought at the time Danny would go bonkers on but his knee was the culprit. If you officiate with an "advantage/disadvantage" theory, as an official, i would want to see clear body contact that provided an "advantage/ disadvantage, not a tap or a brush.

I think i remember Penava would pick up a  cheap foul a game by sticking out his knee at the top of the key screening for Elmore or Burks.

[Buffalo Bop]

We're a better defensive and rebounding team when Micah is in the game.

[Luke80]

I don't know how much of you follow Lunardi's bracketology. I like to read it just for interest.

Right now he has JMU taking on Maryland in a 4-13 matchup.

Lunardi will use the ESPN BPI to assign a spot to one bid conferences. Later when we get into conference play he?ll just use  the conference 1st place team. BPI is like the old RPI and has some factors associated with prior years results, which are obviously not good for us.  JMU is at 35 and we?re at 65.  No respect for the rest of the conference.

[herdorbust2]

NET rankings Marshall is #38.

[2xBison]

NET rankings Marshall is #38.

How could that be


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[herdorbust2]

How could that be


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Exactly!!