Topic: What we know after UNCG

[goherd24]

1. We continued the downward trend that occured in the 2nd half of RMU. This is alarming, given the meltdown last season. Is this a trend or just a result of a tiring 3 game road swing. Afterall, 2-1 on the road isn't bad, but this is a BAD LOSS.

2. What beat us? Bad shooting, Free Throw line KILLED US, and we are simply NOT doing a good enough job on rebounding, especially on the defensive end. They killed us on offensive rebounds and second chance points. All around, just a very poor game, coming off another pretty poorly played game. We also only had 14 assists to our average of 20. The ball was not "athletic" tonight, it was lazy, and hero ball hurt us on O.

3. To sum it up, everyone but Kinsey, simply underpeformed. Some tona higher degree than others. But we have to beat teams like UNCG, even on the road, even on the 3rd game when they have fresh legs. This is a bad loss, way worse than the queens loss, and should not be acceptable. Ever. It is however, inevitable that we will lose some games. 9-2 is not a bad start, with 5 home games to come.


Not much else to say. We need to get in the dang gym and shoot free throws. If we are, we need a better shooting coach. Make the adjustment and fix it. If we shot 70% from the line, it's a 4 point ball game in the final couple minutes. You can't go 6-26 from 3, 7-16 from FT line and be outrebounded, and expect to ever win a game. We are literally one of the bottom 5 teams in the nation in free throw shooting categories, identified even earlier by the stats I've been posting. This will hurt you in close games and it did. We are trending towards getting into the 300's in 3 point shooting % again. After picking up curfman, you'd imagine we would improve, and we have but that margin from last year continues to shrink as we show we aren't a good 3 point shooting team again.

Our defense had more lapses and open shooters than I've seen all year. We definitely are regressing these past two games, and inam worried we can't stop the slide like last year. Next couple games are crucial. Just hate the bad loss, will hurt attendance and our momentum. I hate losing. I hate losing, more than I love winning. So let's get back on track in a few days herd.

[Toro Toro Taxi]

I dont agree with it being a bad loss , these guys barely lost to 8th ranked Arkansas , at Arkansas a few days ago. Im betting fatigue may have played a part in this evenings loss.

[elginherd]

I dont agree with it being a bad loss , these guys barely lost to 8th ranked Arkansas , at Arkansas a few days ago. Im betting fatigue may have played a part in this evenings loss.

I agree about the fatigue.

[goherd24]

I dont agree with it being a bad loss , these guys barely lost to 8th ranked Arkansas , at Arkansas a few days ago. Im betting fatigue may have played a part in this evenings loss.

You can disagree but losing to a team thats sub 200 in every ranking, is a bad loss, period. Tired or not. Faitgued or not. You have to win those games if you want to be a great team, and a championship team. We played extremely poorly tonight. That's the truth, no matter why.

[Garbanjo]

UNCG was 4-6

This was a bad loss

Regroup and go again

Go Herd!

[GreenWhite]

What concerned me was the defense. We just got out played when they were on offense. I'm sure Micah's foul issue was part of the problem. I think I heard that UNCG hit ten 3's.

[herdyouweresaying]

I dont agree with it being a bad loss , these guys barely lost to 8th ranked Arkansas , at Arkansas a few days ago. Im betting fatigue may have played a part in this evenings loss.

NC A&T beat UNCG by almost 20! This is a bad loss.

[goherd24]

What concerned me was the defense. We just got out played when they were on offense. I'm sure Micah's foul issue was part of the problem. I think I heard that UNCG hit ten 3's.

They did, and about half of them were open due to their ball movement. They also hit the rest with hands in their faces. They shot particularly well tonight, and sometimes that will happen. Nothing you can do about it. But we have contested almost every 3 this year, except this game. They were open far too often. If fatigue is such a problem, time for Dan to add 2 guys to the rotation and get our guys some rest.

[yogiherd]

I agree about the fatigue.

Fatigue must have hit them at the start of the second half against Duquesne where they blew a big lead. Sometimes getting a big head will give you fatigue. Every team has scholarship players and if you don't put out the effort and etc. every minute of the game the opponent will come back and finish it. In college one can't go thru the motions and win; games are won on the floor not in media hype.
They should practice on their own shooting at least 500 free throws a day as did Bunny Gibson and some of the older players. 

[coalherd]

You can disagree but losing to a team thats sub 200 in every ranking, is a bad loss, period. Tired or not. Faitgued or not. You have to win those games if you want to be a great team, and a championship team. We played extremely poorly tonight. That's the truth, no matter why.

Like it or not, tonight's game showed how our bench deficiencies can hurt us in the long run.  Nice to say that Coach is playing 7 or 8 players a game when everything is going well.  But when we need to go a little deeper, we're in deep doo-doo, IMO.  Goran got a little play in with Handlogten in some foul trouble.  Yet nothing, No PT from the like of Early, Marko, upper classmen with some game experience.  The ball in Touissaint's hands on the offensive end is a recipe for disaster; no demonstrable shot, as easily witnessed by his one for 10, 11, 12 . . . foul shooting thus far.

Absent some here-to-fore unknown real talented offensive player that D'Anotini magically "snares" from the portal, etc., in the upcoming offseason, I shutter to think about Herd basketball, particularly offensively, next season sans Kinsey!!

[herdorbust2]

When Andrew goes the team goes. Andrew has had 2 really bad sloppy games. He played really well first 7-8 games and has went cold and sloppy passes. Plus we have stopped moving the ball and continue last 2 games to dribble one on one. That is what happened last year and now we are doing it again. For some reason Danny can not get these guys to move the ball and keep from reverting back to dribble one on one.

[MicDrass1]

When Andrew goes the team goes. Andrew has had 2 really bad sloppy games. He played really well first 7-8 games and has went cold and sloppy passes. Plus we have stopped moving the ball and continue last 2 games to dribble one on one. That is what happened last year and now we are doing it again. For some reason Danny can not get these guys to move the ball and keep from reverting back to dribble one on one.

Guards are worn out.  Needs to develop a guard off bench.  He?s forgetting about Fricks and Connor for long stretches as well.  He?s wearing out the starters. 

[GreenWhite]

When Andrew goes the team goes. Andrew has had 2 really bad sloppy games. He played really well first 7-8 games and has went cold and sloppy passes. Plus we have stopped moving the ball and continue last 2 games to dribble one on one. That is what happened last year and now we are doing it again. For some reason Danny can not get these guys to move the ball and keep from reverting back to dribble one on one.

I agree. It seems that Tavion is the one making assists and Taylor seems to be playing hero ball.

[parshall2marshall]

The good is we may have found a good candidate for a situational 8th man. Despite the know-it-all posters (and their thankers), Danny saw the need to integrate Goran, as I recently called for. 1st half he had a dunk, a block and defensive rebound in just a couple of minutes. 2nd half he clogged the middle effectively, moreso that Handlogten. Bizarro not so much.

I'm not saying he is near as valuable of Handlogten, but he definitely has a place to limit opponents bigs.

We knew that free throws were going to contribute greatly to the loss of multiple games this season, and definitely hurt us tonight. O'Binna continues to lack aggression and be a non-factor.

Right now I'm concerned about a talented Toledo team, especially with the Herd having to get used to the new floor and the weird 3:30 PM start time Saturday.

[mu79grad]

Handlogten played 16 minutes.  That's a recipe for disaster.  He needs to play at least 25 minutes for us to be competitive in every game.

[herd1990]

Pretty simple recipe for a loss:

(1). Poor shooting
(2). Foul trouble for our big guy
(3). Got out-physicaled (if that's a word 😂)
(4). OAK continues to be a liability offensively.  Did have 10 boards so that's a +.
(5). The guys looked lethargic and tired.

Oh well, I expected a couple duds this year and that was one of them.  Hope to see them bounce back Saturday at home against a pretty decent Toledo team.

[herdorbust2]

The good is we may have found a good candidate for a situational 8th man. Despite the know-it-all posters (and their thankers), Danny saw the need to integrate Goran, as I recently called for. 1st half he had a dunk, a block and defensive rebound in just a couple of minutes. 2nd half he clogged the middle effectively, moreso that Handlogten. Bizarro not so much.

I'm not saying he is near as valuable of Handlogten, but he definitely has a place to limit opponents bigs.

We knew that free throws were going to contribute greatly to the loss of multiple games this season, and definitely hurt us tonight. O'Binna continues to lack aggression and be a non-factor.

Right now I'm concerned about a talented Toledo team, especially with the Herd having to get used to the new floor and the weird 3:30 PM start time Saturday.

It started off looking like a different team. Great defense and the offense was passing the ball and playing with chemistry. Andrew was playing smart basketball and he has reverted back to sloppy plays with the ball. The offense has stopped moving the ball and stopped trusting teammates. They just can't ever seem to stay focused on what was making them successful. And Danny needs to tell Obinna either get tough and rebound and play around the basket or just start Goran and Micah together.

[goherd24]

Goran played well in his limited time. He was also open on some more pick and rolls but we never passed the ball. He might be a factor if he gets a chance. Loved to see him slam that ball, and their big was pushing everyone around but Goran tonight. Good call bringing that up.

We just need better play, all around. If fatigue was it, we got 3 good days to get back on track, in what i hope will be a crowded cam henderson center.

[HerdsHerd]

Pyrite

[herdorbust2]

Goran played well in his limited time. He was also open on some more pick and rolls but we never passed the ball. He might be a factor if he gets a chance. Loved to see him slam that ball, and their big was pushing everyone around but Goran tonight. Good call bringing that up.

We just need better play, all around. If fatigue was it, we got 3 good days to get back on track, in what i hope will be a crowded cam henderson center.

It could have been a good crowd. But everytime they get close to getting the fanbase excited they fall apart.

[muherd34]

It could have been a good crowd. But everytime they get close to getting the fanbase excited they fall apart.

Literally the M.O.  for Marshall football and basketball the past 20 years.  But we still have a long season and I like this team and feel they will bounce back.

[elginherd]

Goran was OK against this team. He will not be against others.

Shooting in general was the biggest problem whether free throws, twos or threes.

That said, this was the best overall game that I've seen Kinsey play. He hit his midrange jumpers and made his layups plus he passed the ball well.

Maybe I'm being a homer, but I thought that two of Handlogten's fouls were very questionable calls. Those were huge.

[yogiherd]

Especially the first one under the basket. He wasn't close to the guy and Obinna was so he had to foul him not Handlogten.

[herdorbust2]

If Danny can't find a way to get Oak to playing to his strength, Andy playing more controlled and consistant and the entire offense to move the ball then they will never become anything special. Why they keep reverting back to me ball is beyond me. There is plenty of film showing what is successful and what is not and they continue to want to play what is not. If I see Oak shoot another 3 I'm going to put my fist thru my TV. How many times does he have to throw up bricks before he realizes that is not his game?

[MUonium]

yes, you can't shoot like that in every category and win.  the rest of the stats were basically even/offsetting.  Greensboro played scrappy, had some size and weight and enough skill.  moved the ball, made 3s like we usually do.  they're nothing special but i think in hindsight they're a little better than their record.  our guys were off their game and they simply didn't step up at the end of a road swing.  we're not getting enough out of our bench, as well.  back to the drawing board