Topic: What we know after UNCG

[herd1990]

If Danny can't find a way to get Oak to playing to his strength, Andy playing more controlled and consistant and the entire offense to move the ball then they will never become anything special. Why they keep reverting back to me ball is beyond me. There is plenty of film showing what is successful and what is not and they continue to want to play what is not. If I see Oak shoot another 3 I'm going to put my fist thru my TV. How many times does he have to throw up bricks before he realizes that is not his game?

OAK is like 1-18 behind the arc.  It's time DD gives him the stop sign for those shots.  OAK's game reminds me of many of the Euro players.....Big guys who think they are 2 guards, soft, and get pushed around too much.  If we had a solid #4 this team would be a handful in conference play.  They still could be but OAK is the Achilles heel.

[ThunderingHerdFan]

Fatigue must have hit them at the start of the second half against Duquesne where they blew a big lead. Sometimes getting a big head will give you fatigue. Every team has scholarship players and if you don't put out the effort and etc. every minute of the game the opponent will come back and finish it. In college one can't go thru the motions and win; games are won on the floor not in media hype.
They should practice on their own shooting at least 500 free throws a day as did Bunny Gibson and some of the older players.

We have different definitions of blowing a big lead considering Duquesne never had the ball with a chance to tie.

That being said, we need to get back to the level of play we were rolling on at home.

[miltonherdfan]

OAK is like 1-18 behind the arc.  It's time DD gives him the stop sign for those shots.  OAK's game reminds me of many of the Euro players.....Big guys who think they are 2 guards, soft, and get pushed around too much.  If we had a solid #4 this team would be a handful in conference play.  They still could be but OAK is the Achilles heel.

his game has really regressed, & i'd love to know what happened.  he showed all kinds of promise the 1st half of his FR year, swatting shots left & right, rebounding, & now . . . he's not much more than a warm body.  just a fraction of the player he was 2 yrs ago.

[herdfan129]

Biggest concern was the lack of the athletic ball. Way too much dribbling going on.

The athletic ball, extra pass, etc is what made this team so fun to watch first part of the season.

Goran def has a role but we need to play zone when he is in there like we did tonight. Early needs some minutes to rest the other guards at least a little bit.

Marko should get as many minutes as he?s getting now? zero. Whoever mentioned him? never do that again lol

[coalherd]

The upcoming game at the CAM just took on EXTRA IMPORTANCE, IMO.  Team needs to regroup ASAP.  Danny commented post game that they'll get back home tonight.  Do film work on Weds. and get some rest.  Probably light workouts, go over Toledo's schemes, players, etc., on Thurs, Fri, with no doubt some shooting "drills", individual work, including FOUL SHOTS.

If we can knock off the Rockets, again, like bust, I'm worried about the crowd Saturday, after we laid another "EGG" down in Carolina last night, well that should give us some MO for the start of Conference play.  Wins over the Rockets and Glenville would give us a 11-2 record in non-conference play! Consider the fact, guys, we won a TOTAL of TWELVE games all of last season!!  Looking over a lot of the pre-conference SBC games thus far, IMO, there are a lot of upcoming conference games THERE FOR THE TAKING, if the HERD can get it together, Danny can find a little more depth, and we avoid too many more "stubbed toes", or bumps in the road like we have had in North Carolina this season!!  Did anyone notice that Texas State lost at home to a Division THREE school tonight?  HERD could, reasonably, get 20, perhaps 25 or so Ws in regular season play this season, if they can get it together and resume the type of play they exhibited just a week or so ago!!

[wasbarryb]

If Danny can't find a way to get Oak to playing to his strength, Andy playing more controlled and consistant and the entire offense to move the ball then they will never become anything special. Why they keep reverting back to me ball is beyond me. There is plenty of film showing what is successful and what is not and they continue to want to play what is not. If I see Oak shoot another 3 I'm going to put my fist thru my TV. How many times does he have to throw up bricks before he realizes that is not his game?

In fairness to OAK, since he got here DD has been preaching shooting threes and over the years we've seen posts of what a great teacher DD is.  If DD is pushing shooting threes and OAK is trying to do what he is being pushed to do, then OAK ain't the problem here.

[Herdmeister]

In fairness to OAK, since he got here DD has been preaching shooting threes and over the years we've seen posts of what a great teacher DD is.  If DD is pushing shooting threes and OAK is trying to do what he is being pushed to do, then OAK ain't the problem here.

Danny does NOT push shooting 3's to Obinna

[yogiherd]

We have different definitions of blowing a big lead considering Duquesne never had the ball with a chance to tie.

That being said, we need to get back to the level of play we were rolling on at home.

Yeah but blowing a 21 point lead down to four and having to fight them off and some threes dropped for KC to get back to a eleven point win. The team needs to bury the teams when they get the big lead and not ease off--DD said they didn't play with the same intensity starting the second half against Duquesne.  The shooting was way off against UNCG along with weak d equals a loss.
The players need a set routine art the FT line. Sometimes they dribble twice then shoot or dribble five times and etc.. Most high percentage FT shooters do the same thing each time at the line; they have a set routine to relax and focus on their shots

GO HERD!!!

[Rockin Herd Fan]

You could really see this coming.  IMO, the team has not been playing well since the second half of the Duquesne game.  Add to that UNCG were well rested and Marshall was playing their 3rd straight road game, this was a recipe for disaster.  This really looked like last year's team on the court last night.  Porous defense, getting bullied on the boards and poor 3-point shooting.  I'm not going to go all "Chicken Little" and say that the sky is falling after one loss.  I'm going to say we mostly lost this one because the team was tired.  If we look the exact same way against Toledo, then I will start to worry.  Callout to Goran.  I thought he played well in the minutes he was on the floor.  He could pass Toussaint on the depth chart before too long. 

[herdyouweresaying]

Danny does NOT push shooting 3's to Obinna

Is he encouraging him to have better shot selection though? I agree that I don't believe Dan is pushing for him to shoot 3's, but I am afraid he isn't saying anything about the poor shot selection.

[svherd]

Fatigue should not be a factor. Every team plays these types schedules. It's not like they walked to Greensboro, OR being the end of the season. Just didn't play well. Shot horribly. Greensboro wanted it more. Regroup, beat Toledo and get back on track. I don't see us losing more then 4-5 more games IF we play solid and with energy.

[overherd1]

I agree with many of the posts.  Several things were pointing to a bad performance.  Several away games in row.  Two bad second halves in a row.  Road game against a motivated opponent.  Just felt like it was a game that we would probably lose.  We will be able to tell a good bit about our team with the way they respond against Toledo.  Need to play team ball, take good shots, and rebound.  That would take care of most of our problems.

[Herdiowa]

Yes we looked tired, however I have been preaching for 2+ years that we need quicker guards.  You see what happens when a big slow team plays a quicker team.  They broke us down defensively to where we looked like a cat chasing a laser pointer.  UNCG had the quickest guards that could I believe we have played all year.

Hopefully we regroup for Toledo-dump

[FilmJunky]

I feel as if Marshall does not get to the free throw line as much as they should, however last night when they got there they did not make them. Losses like this will happen when you take 26 threes and make 6 of them. Overall bad shooting performance and costly turnovers / bad shots when we did not need them. Can't say I'm shocked of the outcome. I think UNCG is better than the record shows, but there seem to be a few of these head scratchers every year.

[11-14-70]

Too bad Danny doesn't read the advice given on this board. We would be undefeated and win every game by 20! Lose 1 game, (Danny's fault), win 9 straight (team played exactly the way you wanted them too), lose another game, wheels fall off the bandwagon). Just go to the games, support Danny and the kids and stop undermining the basketball program. Better yet, just get off the board, if all you have to do is bitch about a team, most of you wouldn't make the effort to go see them play, if you were given a ride to the game and a free ticket.

[Collis P]

Is he encouraging him to have better shot selection though? I agree that I don't believe Dan is pushing for him to shoot 3's, but I am afraid he isn't saying anything about the poor shot selection.

Ok I will say it _  Danny lost this game with his player lineups and playing Obinna WAY TO MANY MINUTES!!  He can"t shoot and can only score on pick and roll -  Conner and or Fricks should start over Obinna -

Also as mentioned he need to preach athletic ball - 

[herdorbust2]

I was so aggravated at last nights game that I was just going to stop posting so I wouldn't say something I regret. But I'll say one more thing. First, I love the style of play. And 90% of this season our D has been outstanding. I like that Danny has kept his rotation to mainly 7-8 because as soon as we go deep into the bench we are going to suffer regardless of fatigue, just mark it down. I also love how our offense spreads the floor. But Danny has got to do more coaching during the game. He always says the coaching comes in practice and you have to let them play during games and trust them. I get that to a point. But you have got to coach during games. Obinna jacking up 3s has to stop and needs to be corrected DURING the game. Guys stepping out of bounds 2-3 times needs to be corrected DURING games. The same bad pass or not getting position for a rebound needs to be corrected DURING the games. When you are up 10 with 4 minutes left and someone launches a three as soon as they come across half court needs to be corrected DURING the game. Instead of standing arms crossed at least point at the guy and rip in to him or call a timeout and do it. Waiting till halftime or the next practice is to late. I love the guy but you have to correct things DURING the game. Now let's beat Toledo and I'm done posting. Go Herd!!!

[HoPPy785]

Went to the game and thought the arena was nice. There was a good Marshall presence. It seemed like Handlogten had family or friends in attendance. Maybe that made him play a little nervous.

We shot terribly and looked a little tired. We aren't a great or special team and we are going to drop a few games that maybe we should win on paper. We are a pretty good team and that might be enough in the Sun Belt. Some acting like we just lost 4 in a row, let's move on and hope we can win at home and shake this off.

[mubowhunter]

Taylor played like he didn?t even want to be there.  His rear end would?ve been planted on the bench.  There?s a difference in playing poorly and just not caring.  His lazy passes and stupid shots make for not fun basketball.  He really needs a visit in private to see what?s going on.

[herdcase]

 A lot of posters forget that these are kids who are students as well as athletes. mental fatigue can be as big a problem as physical fatigue. Dan mentioned that this was the end of finals week. This is also a time of year for colds, flu, & other viral infections that affect one's performances, especially after long continued, tiring road trips. Consequently, the road team faces big disadvantages, not to mention a good bit of home cooking. It takes a very talented, deep team to overcome and win these types of games. Losses are always going to occur during a long season. hopefully, this team will get back on track & finish strong.

[pembrook burrows III]

Again, too many minutes for Andy. He cannot sustain the current workload. He is a fine player at 30-32 minutes per game.

[ThunderValley]

The team seems to be doing quite well to start the season. I hope it continues.
Of the teams we have beat, how many had a winning record at the time we played tham?

[parshall2marshall]

We had nowhere near the intensity or smarts we have previously been displaying. Our entire team D at home  has been smothering.

Last night O'Binna's man was at the free throw line and O'Binna was slacking off of him, standing deeper in the lane. Really early in the game. They scored indirectly - after a pass I think.
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Conner's deep fadeaway 3 late in the game .... the guy that had run at him to defend just kept going. A smart guy like Conner should know in that situation one doesn't make an effort to watch and see if it goes in, but instead to put his head down and start running down the court to catch his man on D. Might not have caught him against a perfect deep pass but one still has to make the effort.

Yes, Taylor had 19 or so but, as another poster pointed out, his efficiency has gone down lately.

[herdgrad04]

This is not a bad loss.  We were off and just didn?t have it for the first time in 9 games.  It?s basketball and losses like this will happen.  UNC lost 11 games last year and made it to the title game.  Regroup and move on to the next one

[whf]

I was so aggravated at last nights game that I was just going to stop posting so I wouldn't say something I regret. But I'll say one more thing. First, I love the style of play. And 90% of this season our D has been outstanding. I like that Danny has kept his rotation to mainly 7-8 because as soon as we go deep into the bench we are going to suffer regardless of fatigue, just mark it down. I also love how our offense spreads the floor. But Danny has got to do more coaching during the game. He always says the coaching comes in practice and you have to let them play during games and trust them. I get that to a point. But you have got to coach during games. Obinna jacking up 3s has to stop and needs to be corrected DURING the game. Guys stepping out of bounds 2-3 times needs to be corrected DURING games. The same bad pass or not getting possession for a rebound needs to be corrected DURING the games. When you are up 10 with 4 minutes left and someone launches a three as soon as they come across half court needs to be corrected DURING the game. Instead of standing arms crossed at least point at the guy and rip in to him or call a timeout and do it. Waiting till halftime or the next practice is to late. I love the guy but you have to correct things DURING the game. Now let's beat Toledo and I'm done posting. Go Herd!!!

I like this post, very true, fair, and balanced with your support of the team long term.