Topic: i love andy taylor but he shoots 19 shots a game as a PG

[allgood]

im a big AT fan. i think he is a very good player BUT he avgs 19.5 shots a game, and only avgs 18 pts a game and less than 5 assists while shooting less than 30% from 3. 19.5 shots is  alot of shots. i think he needs to be held accountable for his poor shooting and poor shot selection.  ik OAK isnt shooting well this yr from 3 but last yr he shot 32% from 3. OAK only shoots less than 2 three point shots a game while AT shoots around 7. its hard for some  guys to buy in when they see other guys with so much FREEDOM to jack shots all nite. i think that falls completely on DD to hold EVERYONE accountable for their shots. just cant pick on OAK when others are doing the same thing. 19 shots a game is a lot. put into perspective, jon elmore shot a lot but he avg 16 shots a game while avg 22pts. almost 20 shots a game is entirely too much

[Toro Toro Taxi]

Like it or not , the Herd success depends on Andy Taylor , hes the glue for this team. He can shoot as much as he or DD wants him to for all I care . No Taylor , we have no chance

[Big City]

im a big AT fan. i think he is a very good player BUT he avgs 19.5 shots a game, and only avgs 18 pts a game and less than 5 assists while shooting less than 30% from 3. 19.5 shots is  alot of shots. i think he needs to be held accountable for his poor shooting and poor shot selection.  ik OAK isnt shooting well this yr from 3 but last yr he shot 32% from 3. OAK only shoots less than 2 three point shots a game while AT shoots around 7. its hard for some  guys to buy in when they see other guys with so much FREEDOM to jack shots all nite. i think that falls completely on DD to hold EVERYONE accountable for their shots. just cant pick on OAK when others are doing the same thing. 19 shots a game is a lot. put into perspective, jon elmore shot a lot but he avg 16 shots a game while avg 22pts. almost 20 shots a game is entirely too much

Let me preface by saying I was unable to watch the game last night due to a last minute church related conflict that ended up going 2+ hours. I get what you are saying here but I don't think the MU bench contributes all that much and who really at this point gives AT any relief? Kid is a stud and essentially plays entire games with little to no breaks which can and will influence performance.

Based on what I have read posted here is that missing free throws was a back breaker.

[gochneaur645]

I think Kinsey (at least last night with those multiple long 2 fadeaways from the elbow) and Obinna have the most frustrating shot selection.

[Garbanjo]

I think Kinsey (at least last night with those multiple long 2 fadeaways from the elbow) and Obinna have the most frustrating shot selection.

Fricks

[MUonium]

i simply can't shoot down those who are generally giving their all.  they are going to have bad games and sometimes multi-game slumps.  so glad to have Taylor, Kinsey, Oak and any player who generally contributes to the positive.  Taylor's hustle and attitude from day one is a gift to this team.

[allgood]

I think Kinsey (at least last night with those multiple long 2 fadeaways from the elbow) and Obinna have the most frustrating shot selection.

kinsey shooting 55% from floor and 44% from 3. avg 21pts and leads team in assists on only 16shots a game. pretty efficient . OAK is shooting 49% from floor and is only getting 7 shots a game. yes his 3 pt % is horrible but hes only taken 16 3s this yr after shooting 32% last season. i think alot of OAK frustrations come from not being involved in the offense. he rarely touches the ball or gets an opportunity to score. we have to remember that OAK is DD highest rated recruit, so he expected to get touches and a PG main responsibility is to get others the ball.  last yr, u can make a case that OAK was MU best player.

[scuberman]

We were 23% from 3 and they were 41% with about the same number of tries. Most of theirs were uncontested.  We shots 37% and they were 44%. We had nine more shots than they did. Our big guy played 3 minutes in the first half and was  in foul trouble the rest of the game. Down the stretch we lost our composure and they ran out the score that was close the entire game.

[gochneaur645]

kinsey shooting 55% from floor and 44% from 3. avg 21pts and leads team in assists on only 16shots a game. pretty efficient . OAK is shooting 49% from floor and is only getting 7 shots a game. yes his 3 pt % is horrible but hes only taken 16 3s this yr after shooting 32% last season. i think alot of OAK frustrations come from not being involved in the offense. he rarely touches the ball or gets an opportunity to score. we have to remember that OAK is DD highest rated recruit, so he expected to get touches and a PG main responsibility is to get others the ball.  last yr, u can make a case that OAK was MU best player.

Yeah, I mostly agree. Kinsey had a good game overall, especially around the rim. It was just frustrating to see him go what I think was 0/4 or 0/5 on the exact same fadeaway. I don't mind the mid range 2's where he elevates high straight up though.

I understand the frustration from OAK, but when he's 1/16 from behind the arc on the season, it's probably time to tell him to stop shooting those no matter what. A lot of those misses haven't even been close either.

[allgood]

Yeah, I mostly agree. Kinsey had a good game overall, especially around the rim. It was just frustrating to see him go what I think was 0/4 or 0/5 on the exact same fadeaway. I don't mind the mid range 2's where he elevates high straight up though.

I understand the frustration from OAK, but when he's 1/16 from behind the arc on the season, it's probably time to tell him to stop shooting those no matter what. A lot of those misses haven't even been close either.

im a big believer in confidence. last yr OAK shot 32% from 3 and avg 9 shots a game. this yr his shots have gone down to 7. AT avg 13 shots last yr and this yr hes playing the same amount of minutes (35) but hes avg 19.5 shots a game and he is the PG. i have to believe that this has a major role in OAK confidence. hard to be free and confident when youre not getting touches is all im saying. AT shoots 7 3s a game and OAK avgs only 7 shots a game. that is crazy to me and once again OAK is highest recruit in DD tenure

[Garbanjo]

It's on DD to get the best out of Obinna

It's in there make it happen

Go Herd!

[Always THE HERD]

I've only been able to see 3-4 games on tv (and all were replays). It appears at least to me that Oak hustles every game....but the other 4 players play like he's not even in the game. I'm not saying he is great or terrible.....but he is a hustler.

[Rockin Herd Fan]

Maybe it is because we have mostly played teams that aren't very good, but OAK and Handlogden offensive liabilities and if I was the opposing coach I would instantly double team the other three guys as soon as they touch the ball and force it out of their hands and have OAK and Handlogden make shots. 

[chris88]

OAK has been great on pick and roll and other inside shots.  Seems like a good limit is around foul line imo.  Conner and Fricks offense seems to have fallen off recently.

[Herdalum83]

I agree with OP 19.5 shots is way too much for a PG to be taking. Especially on tired legs. He is gonna have to find a way to get the ball to some of his teammates more often and DD is gonna have to find someone to come in and play a few minutes so he can rest some.

[herd2win]

Loved how the team was playing but most thought we needed a point from the portal as Taylor is not really a point. 

[FilmJunky]

Point God!! Unfortunately for us our PG is our second best shot maker / creator. I have no issue with 19 shots, but when he is struggling I wish he'd facilitate more. Say he took 12 shots a game where would his other 7 go? To Curfman to jack up 7 more threes? We do not have another proven shooter so AT taking more shots than a typical point guard is something we need to get used to.

[bighat]

Playing too many minutes.  Should have a better substitution plan.

[2xBison]

Point God!! Unfortunately for us our PG is our second best shot maker / creator. I have no issue with 19 shots, but when he is struggling I wish he'd facilitate more. Say he took 12 shots a game where would his other 7 go? To Curfman to jack up 7 more threes? We do not have another proven shooter so AT taking more shots than a typical point guard is something we need to get used to.

he's not a typical point guard and we don't run a typical offense.

as long as DD has been here we've pretty much recruited and used combo guards as our PG.  Elmore was primarily recruited as a 2 out of HS, he was our point guard while West basically guarded the other team PG.  West, other than being short, was more of a two and that's what he played until Elmore left.  Browning, CJ, Andy, Curfman are all really twos or combo guards that we let handle the ball.  DD just typically has one of the combo guards be our primary ball handler, that was Elmore and now Andy.  and lastly, the offense runs through Andy, he should have a lot of statistics...shots, assists, turnovers ....

But, I do agree we need to not wear Andy out and if that's Early getting some more minutes or Conner getting more guard or point forward minutes while he rests then so be it.

[Herdalum83]

Point God!! Unfortunately for us our PG is our second best shot maker / creator. I have no issue with 19 shots, but when he is struggling I wish he'd facilitate more. Say he took 12 shots a game where would his other 7 go? To Curfman to jack up 7 more threes? We do not have another proven shooter so AT taking more shots than a typical point guard is something we need to get used to.

Yes... I'd be totally fine with Andy who averages 7 threes a game.. To give up those 7 threes and give them to Curfman considering Taylor shoots 29% from 3 and Curfman shoots 40%