Topic: What we know after Glenville

[goherd24]

1. Posting early this because there really isn't anything we can learn from this game, shouldn't be a regular season scheduled game. But playing time for some guys that rarely see it and a nice confidence builder for Christmas break.

Looking forward to App State coming in, and starting our run of terror through the sunbelt. Go Herd!

Everybody have a Merry Christmas!

[coalherd]

1. Posting early this because there really isn't anything we can learn from this game, shouldn't be a regular season scheduled game. But playing time for some guys that rarely see it and a nice confidence builder for Christmas break.

Looking forward to App State coming in, and starting our run of terror through the sunbelt. Go Herd!

Everybody have a Merry Christmas!

Know after tonight you may not see, unless for a very FEW seconds, Braun, Fricks and Toussaint on the floor at the same time in another game this season!!  :D

[herdorbust2]

What we know is 7-8 deep is all we can go. Honestly for everyone involved Braun, Marko, Toussaint and Early should move on and get playing time somewhere else and open up a few more scholarships. The biggest difference in this team is defense. Micah is a huge difference with his length and agility. And Conner and Fricks also are long and have great quickness to go with that length. Those 3 just really mesh well with Obinna, Kinsey and Andrew. Also Curfman is a very busy player and plays hard and steady. When we started subbing more the defense was breaking down a lot and not to mention sloppy ball movement. Glenville pulled within a couple points and made a game of it. Then the starters came back in and bam, up 30. Need to work on a few things and get rested up for SB play in 10 days.

[WindMillersDad]

1. Posting early this because there really isn't anything we can learn from this game, shouldn't be a regular season scheduled game. But playing time for some guys that rarely see it and a nice confidence builder for Christmas break.

Looking forward to App State coming in, and starting our run of terror through the sunbelt. Go Herd!

Everybody have a Merry Christmas!

..... if this game should have never been scheduled and you have ideas on who we can schedule ..... why dont you drop by Coach Cline's office and help out with the scheduling ... Im pretty sure he would appreciate the help ! I know for a fact that on bus trips the team will drive by another university and he will state that "They wont schedule us ..... they wont play us ..... they will not schedule us home and home !"

[Bigoherd]

University of Science, Toccoa Falls, Alabama State, Spring Hill all playing Sunbelt Conference schools this week.  Good to schedule a cupcake before going to Christmas break/conference play while giving your bench a chance to play as well.  Mission accomplished.

[goherd24]

..... if this game should have never been scheduled and you have ideas on who we can schedule ..... why dont you drop by Coach Cline's office and help out with the scheduling ... Im pretty sure he would appreciate the help ! I know for a fact that on bus trips the team will drive by another university and he will state that "They wont schedule us ..... they wont play us ..... they will not schedule us home and home !"

When Marshall pays me to do it, i will. Not my job, but most would agree, we don't need glenville on a schedule during the regular season. Especially one that is already soft.

[goherd24]

What we know is 7-8 deep is all we can go. Honestly for everyone involved Braun, Marko, Toussaint and Early should move on and get playing time somewhere else and open up a few more scholarships. The biggest difference in this team is defense. Micah is a huge difference with his length and agility. And Conner and Fricks also are long and have great quickness to go with that length. Those 3 just really mesh well with Obinna, Kinsey and Andrew. Also Curfman is a very busy player and plays hard and steady. When we started subbing more the defense was breaking down a lot and not to mention sloppy ball movement. Glenville pulled within a couple points and made a game of it. Then the starters came back in and bam, up 30. Need to work on a few things and get rested up for SB play in 10 days.

We are an 8 deep team for sure. Which is better than most are as far as depth is concerned. Hard to get good players to come to a school like Marshall as your 9th man when they can start at a smaller d1 school. I'd expect Early to leave after this season, and wouldn't blame him. He hasn't particularly meshed well with Dan and is very inconsistent on the floor. But I'd love if a logan kid could turn it around

[coalherd]

In all honesty, Coach D in scheduling this game did nothing more than what a lot of other D1 programs, particularly most/many Mid-Majors do.  Check today's scoreboard which shows that from WV's Mountain East Conference, besides Glenville's loss to the HERD, Davis & Elkins lost by about 40 to North Florida, a 3-7 team, and Fairmont State lost by about 20 at 4-7 Bowling Green.  Give Glenville credit for at least agreeing to play a pretty fair, thus far, HERD squad!

In post-game comments, Coach said he scheduled this game for about this time of the season, hoping to be able to give some significant PT to some players who have not been getting much of it thus far!  He accomplished that today.  Said he has let guys know that the determination of how much time they will get in games depends on WHAT they DO in PRACTICE and HOW they PERFORM when they DO GET INTO REAL GAMES!!  by now, after more than a third of the regular season's play in the books, players should have a pretty good idea how much PT they should expect the rest of the season.  As said, if PT is what they seek and really want, a handful should surely be contemplating "Movin On"!!

[Luke80]

Most of the other SB teams have multiple D II programs scheduled.  Our next two opponents-

App St has beaten teams named Warren Wilson, Carlow and Regent by a combined 196  points.

JMU has has slipped by Valley Forge, Coastal Georgia and Gallaudet also by a combined 196 points.

I looked over most of the schedules and ODU was the only other team that just had 1 lower tiered team scheduled. 

[whf]

Most of the other SB teams have multiple D II programs scheduled.  Our next two opponents-

App St has beaten teams named Warren Wilson, Carlow and Regent by a combined 196  points.

JMU has has slipped by Valley Forge, Coastal Georgia and Gallaudet also by a combined 196 points.

I looked over most of the schedules and ODU was the only other team that just had 1 lower tiered team scheduled.

I kind of watch conference opponents opponents in the pre-season too. Can't say that all, but many, have had a much softer schedule than us. And several have played several of the same teams as us.

[Herdmeister]

Know after tonight you may not see, unless for a very FEW seconds, Braun, Fricks and Toussaint on the floor at the same time in another game this season!!  :D

Fricks will certainly be in the 7 man rotation and well he should be.

[goherd24]

The entire Sunbelt, is regarded as a joke in the mens basketball world. When you have a sos of 220-300 like most of us do, scheduling a game like this is silly. I don't care how many of them want to jump off a cliff, it doesn't make it ok. I would understand if we had played 4-5 top 100 teams but we haven't. We've played zero. And the majority of our games have been quad 4! 8 of them out of 13 lol.

If we are going to play Glenville, it needs to be an exhibition game OR be one of the first 3-4 games of the year, when you are trying to teat your line up chemistry etc, but neither here nor there. Let's enjoy the break and show up to the cam against app state.

[Herdmeister]

We are an 8 deep team for sure. Which is better than most are as far as depth is concerned. Hard to get good players to come to a school like Marshall as your 9th man when they can start at a smaller d1 school. I'd expect Early to leave after this season, and wouldn't blame him. He hasn't particularly meshed well with Dan and is very inconsistent on the floor. But I'd love if a logan kid could turn it around

Not sure what you mean about David not meshing well with Dan? I know that Danny loves David and his family, The fact that he simply isn't quick enough for this lineup is the only reason he isn't playing

[FilmJunky]

What do we know? Turn it over 20 times starting the 29th and see what happens. Our 1&2 guards combined for 9 TO's against Glenville State while playing limited minutes. Shooting it from the FT line poorly AGAIN. There should be some concern here IMO.

[herdorbust2]

What do we know? Turn it over 20 times starting the 29th and see what happens. Our 1&2 guards combined for 9 TO's against Glenville State while playing limited minutes. Shooting it from the FT line poorly AGAIN. There should be some concern here IMO.

Glenville had very good guards just no size in the front court. But #2 could play for most D1 teams. And they were very quick. You mention the TOs but don't mention how the team had only 7 against a very good Toledo team. Is it because you have an agenda?

[Luke80]

The entire Sunbelt, is regarded as a joke in the mens basketball world. When you have a sos of 220-300 like most of us do, scheduling a game like this is silly. I don't care how many of them want to jump off a cliff, it doesn't make it ok. I would understand if we had played 4-5 top 100 teams but we haven't. We've played zero. And the majority of our games have been quad 4! 8 of them out of 13 lol.

If we are going to play Glenville, it needs to be an exhibition game OR be one of the first 3-4 games of the year, when you are trying to teat your line up chemistry etc, but neither here nor there. Let's enjoy the break and show up to the cam against app state.

According to Net Rankings today (12/20).  SunBelt has 7 teams in the top 126 spots. 

USM      25
JMU       51
MU         66
Troy       90
UL        102
USA      124
ODU      126

I realize it is arbitrary, but for comparison how many teams do other top mid major conferences have in that same top 126 window?  Glad you asked.

AAC   5
A-10  7
MWC  7
WCC  6
CUSA  5

Like every conference Marshall has been in there is going to be some good teams, the problem as far as getting respect is there will also be some bad
ones.   We complained about the same thing in every conference we have been in (except in those years when we were among the bad ones).  The first 4 conferences I listed are probably better competition top to bottom, because they don't have as many dregs. But I would argue that the SunBelt is not weaker than CUSA top to bottom this year.

[Rockin Herd Fan]

What we know is 7-8 deep is all we can go. Honestly for everyone involved Braun, Marko, Toussaint and Early should move on and get playing time somewhere else and open up a few more scholarships. The biggest difference in this team is defense. Micah is a huge difference with his length and agility. And Conner and Fricks also are long and have great quickness to go with that length. Those 3 just really mesh well with Obinna, Kinsey and Andrew. Also Curfman is a very busy player and plays hard and steady. When we started subbing more the defense was breaking down a lot and not to mention sloppy ball movement. Glenville pulled within a couple points and made a game of it. Then the starters came back in and bam, up 30. Need to work on a few things and get rested up for SB play in 10 days.

Marko is a 4th year player, I know the NCAA has given any player who was in school during the 2020 season an extra year of eligibility, but IMO those players should have to earn that year and not automatically be given it.  Danny should tell Marko and Goran that this is going to be their last season on scholarship.  When he recruited them Danny made a 4-year commitment to them which he has fulfilled.  He doesn't own them anything past that.  Kinsey earned his 5th year and Taylor has earned a 5th year as well if he wants to come back next season.  Curfman has earned another season if he has any eligibility left. 

[elginherd]

Fricks will certainly be in the 7 man rotation and well he should be.

Goran will likely be in the mix too, depending on matchups and/or foul trouble.

It'd be nice if there was someone to really backup OAK. OAK misses a lot of easy bunnies, but the Herd's defense suffers when he's out.

[gochneaur645]

I don't like playing Glenville either,  but it's a lot better for RPI and other computer rankings to play them instead of a low D-I team.

[Buffalo Bop]

What we learned after Glenville State is why Dan has played a tighter rotation this season.

[FilmJunky]

Glenville had very good guards just no size in the front court. But #2 could play for most D1 teams. And they were very quick. You mention the TOs but don't mention how the team had only 7 against a very good Toledo team. Is it because you have an agenda?

Yeah Glenville has great guards. Probably better than anyone we will see this year lol . Good performance against Toledo but 20 TO's are inexcusable against Glenville state. #2 is playing at Glenville state because he should be playing at most D1 schools???

[herdorbust2]

What we learned after Glenville State is why Dan has played a tighter rotation this season.

Yep!!

[herdorbust2]

Yeah Glenville has great guards. Probably better than anyone we will see this year lol . Good performance against Toledo but 20 TO's are inexcusable against Glenville state. #2 is playing at Glenville state because he should be playing at most D1 schools???

But you didn't mention just 7 TOs against Toledo? Hmmm??? And yes believe it or not there are some very good players in D2 for whatever reason.

[elginherd]

But you didn't mention just 7 TOs against Toledo? Hmmm??? And yes believe it or not there are some very good players in D2 for whatever reason.

The academic requirements for D-2 are not as strict.

[goherd24]

According to Net Rankings today (12/20).  SunBelt has 7 teams in the top 126 spots. 

USM      25
JMU       51
MU         66
Troy       90
UL        102
USA      124
ODU      126

I realize it is arbitrary, but for comparison how many teams do other top mid major conferences have in that same top 126 window?  Glad you asked.

AAC   5
A-10  7
MWC  7
WCC  6
CUSA  5

Like every conference Marshall has been in there is going to be some good teams, the problem as far as getting respect is there will also be some bad
ones.   We complained about the same thing in every conference we have been in (except in those years when we were among the bad ones).  The first 4 conferences I listed are probably better competition top to bottom, because they don't have as many dregs. But I would argue that the SunBelt is not weaker than CUSA top to bottom this year.

You could argue that, but 3 of the 7 on the belt would be in cusa last year, making them have 8, and JMU would be gone, putting the belt at 3.

Nobody said the Sunbelt didn't improve itself at basketball with that move. The new cusa, is weaker, and probably about the same as the belt now and next year cusa will be a dumpster fire in all sports.

The sunbelt is still much weaker than cusa was at any time we were in it for basketball. This should be the beginning of a golden era in Herd hoops if we have the right leadership and coaches, and the fans need to get their (@/:; to the cam and make it an atmosphere that players want to come play. Players don't want to play in half empty arenas, that are so quiet they feel like practice.